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 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:53 pm
Before anyone ask, I have excluded some of my mains for reasons of my own. This team consist of other pokemon I often use. I have used this exact team on Pokemon Battle Revolusion wi-fi and it has done rather well.
Spiritomb - Calm
Ability: Pressure
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 248 Def, 248 SpDef, 14 SpAtk
Ominous Wind
Dark Pulse
Confuse Ray
Nasty Plot
A combination of Defence and Offence. While confusion keeps the opponent occupied, I will use Nasty Plot for a boost and use Ominous Wind. With luck, I will get an even greater boost.
Vaporeon - Docile
Ability: Water Absord
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 SpAtk, 128 SpDef, 130 HP
Surf
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball
Acid Armor
Acid Armor is meant to pull up the slack to his Defence. Because it was raised on LeafGreen, it missed out on all other attacks such as Wish and Aqua Ring. I have not bothered going back and teaching it Aqua Ring. The IVs are too perfect to breed it for Wish. Either way, it makes a great Special wall.
Sceptile - Timid
Ability: Overgrow
Item: Mirical Seed
EVs: 255 SpAtk, 255 Speed
Dragon Pulse
Focus Blast
Giga Drain
Frenzy Plant
This should be obvious. Giga Drain for HP gain, and Frenzy Plant for quick kills. With Overgrow and Mirical Seed, in the event that Sceptile survives a hit Frenzy Plant will get a huge boost of power. And please do not confuse Focus Blast with Focus Punch. Focus Blast is no different than Hydro Pump or Fire Blast.
Tyranitar - Impish
Ability: Sand Stream
Item: Chople Berry
EVs: 255 Def, 255 SpDef
Dragon Dance
Crunch
Stone Edge
Earthquake
This is my lastest Tyranitar exsperiment, and surely not the last. This one is meant to have a combination of both Offence and Defence. Dragon Dance, combined with Tyranitar's naturally high attack, gives it good offence while its defences keep it alive to keep attack.
Absol - Jolly
Ability: Super Luck
Item: Scope Lens
EVs: 255 Atk, 255 Speed
Sword Dance
Stone Edge
Night Slash
Pycho Cut
This one is meant to have a high Critical hit ratio. I gave it a Jolly nature to give it as much speed as possible. Once I get a Choice Scarf, I can give it to Absol and give it even more Speed. It might not be able to take out fast offenders, but it works well against slow defenders.
Suicune - Gentle
Ability: Pressure
Item: Mystic Water
EVs: 124 SpAtk, 193 Def, 193 SpDef
Calm Mind
Surf
Ice Beam
Hydo Pump
This is one of my few exceptions to Legendaries. I started using it to even the playing field against other legendary users. I often tag-team it with my Vaporeon. When Suicune uses Surf, it heals Vaporeon and does major damage to opponents. Pardon the nature, though. I wasn't able to obtain anything better.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:53 pm
No matter how much time you spent raising your pokemon, you still forgot the most basic of all rules for making a team:
Don't repeat types. You have 3 dark types, 2 water types, and a grass type. A good fighting pokemon (Like a Blaziken) could easily take out a half your team, not to mention make easy work of your Septile...
You dark types are kinda protected, but what would Vaporeon and Suicune do if faced with an electric type?
There are some good ones here, and that Tyranitar is in serious trouble. You put in a lot of work to raise it's defense and it doesn't have the moveset to use it well.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:44 pm
You need to do your homework, girly. Having more of the same type is not a bad thing when done right. Spiritomb is Dark/Ghost. Blaziken is powerless against it. Chople Berry cuts the affectiveness of Fighting moves in half, and an Earthquake would OHKO your Blaziken. THAT is the purpose to Tyranitar. High defence, natural high attack, and a moveset that makes it a force to be feared.
Some things are not always the most obvious. Suicune and Vaporeon are meant to be in a tag-team. Their High special defence saves them from special attacks while their SpAtk wipes the field clean. Clam Mind boost Suicune's SpDef making easier to withstand electric attacks. When Suicune attacks, Vaporeon gains HP. If I had a proper Lapras, the cycle of HP recovery would never stop.
Your Blaziken might make quick work of Sceptile IF it can catch it. Last I calculated, Secptile was much faster. A nice hit from Dragon Pulse, and your Blaziken will be lucky to survive the next attack. You should not but so much fate into your Blaziken. There is no such thing as the best team.
If you think my team is really that bad, then why not challenge it yourself?
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:34 pm
I think you're making it more complicated then it is. Don't forget that my Blaziken has Thunderpunch. That means EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR POKEMON has a weakness against it. And I'm not even going into the rest of my team. Your Spiritomb is the sole exception, but then again, it's not really protected to fire...
Another thing to not forget. Tyranitar is Dark AND Rock type. Fighting attacks do FOUR TIMES THE DAMAGE!! Even with the chople berry, Sky Uppercut's already high power still does twice the damage. And if it manages to survive, it's berry will still be gone and then it's in trouble. Earthquake might get my Blaziken, but you'd have to hit it first. And if I remember, Blaziken is a lot faster then Tyranitar.
I don't need Blaziken to catch Septile. I have a Wevile for that.
And it sounds like a fine idea to Challenge you.
Good teams start with good balance. Considering your team, I'd say it's already fallen over.
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:51 pm
You're forgetting defence. Yes, your Blaziken has the type advantage, but that does not garentee a victory. My team IS blanaced. Defence with Offence. I've done the math, I've used all my pokemon's strengths to their near fullest.
You seen to forget, Weavile has a 45 base SpAtk, and Sceptile has a base SpDef of 105. Unless you retrain it, your Weavile will be luck to even make a dent. And if it does manage to get my Sceptile down to less than 1/3 of its HP, my Sceptile will be at the peak of strength. The next pokemon you throw out there might not survive.
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:13 pm
Luther Olathes Absol - Jolly Ability: Super Luck Item: Scope Lens EVs: 255 Atk, 255 Speed Sword Dance Stone Edge Night Slash Pycho Cut Well there are better Dark type pokemon, or just pokemon that can do this job better but whatever thats your choice. I just want to warn you that an Absol will probably not live long enough to do a lot of damage. Vaporeon - Docile Ability: Water Absord Item: Leftovers EVs: 252 Atk, 128 SpDef, 130 HP Surf Ice Beam Shadow Ball Acid Armor Ok well, I have no idea what Acid Armor is doing on there. Replace that with Wish or Aqua Ring they are just better moves in the long run in keeping your Vaporeon alive. Leftovers can only do so much.Sceptile - Timid Ability: Overgrow Item: Mirical Seed EVs: 255 SpAtk, 255 Speed Dragon Pulse Focus Blast Giga Drain Frenzy Plant Why do you have two grass moves on him? Anyway Sceptile got SHAFTED in the new gen so there isn't really much of a point in using one. Either way Get rid of Focus Blast, you can never really pull it off with out Substitute. Get rid of Frenzy Plant, no point in having that there since if it doesn't take the other pokemon out your ********. Really this pokemon just got screwed with this generation. If you want a fast grass type I recommend getting a Jumpluff for sleep powder and Leech Seed.Tyranitar - Impish Ability: Sand Stream Item: Chople Berry EVs: 255 Def, 255 SpDef Dragon Dance Crunch Stone Edge Earthquake Why you do this? Why did you not put Outrage on this? You wasted your time. a Dragon Dance and Outrage on this thing will take down a lot of your enemies. Spiritomb - Calm Ability: Pressure Item: Leftovers EVs: 248 Def, 248 SpDef, 14 SpAtk Ominous Wind Dark Pulse Confuse Ray Nasty Plot No Hypnosis? What is wrong with you? Confuse Ray, Hypnosis, Dream Eater. repeat. What it isn't that hard to figure out. This should be your first pokemon out to inflict those status effects and get a good measure of your opponent. Suicune - Gentle Ability: Pressure Item: Mystic Water EVs: 124 SpAtk, 193 Def, 193 SpDef Calm Mind Surf Ice Beam Hydo Pump I hate it when people use legendaries as part of there team.
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Melphaligal the Challama Crew
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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:16 pm
Where the hell do you people learn pokemon from? Apperently I need to explain things to you people since you can't figure them out your damn self. stare
Absol: It is only first in line because it is the first that came to mind. I will change the order so you stop getting it mixed up. Also, I have never had trouble with it before. I gave it a Jolly nature to give it as much speed as possible. Once I get a speed booster, or Choice Scarf, it will be much faster and much more useful.
Vaperon: Acid Armor is to give it complete defence. It already has high SpDef, and Acid Armor is to pull up the slack. Also, it was raised on LeafGreen and therefore, skipped out on learning Aqua Ring. I also do not have to resources to breed for Wish.
Sceptile: In case you have not noticed the item and ability, Frenzy Planet is ment for quick kills. It manages to survive attacks and stricks back with even deadlier force. You must be mistaking Focus Blast for Focus Punch. Focus Blast is the Fighting version of Hydro Pump. (By that I mean it has the same power as Hydro Pump.)
Tyranitar: Giving it Outrage would not only require a lot more Breeding, but I also do not have the pokemon to do so. You need to breed multipule times to get a Dragon Dancing Tyranitar. It is my next experiment, but it will have to wait. The purpose Tyranitar serves is a combination of Offence and Defence.
Spiritomb: This is usually my first pokemon out, so I will move it to the top. That combination does not always work. Specially when up against Dark pokemon. I do not find that Spiritomb should be wasted just to figure out what my opponent is up to. Hypnosis might work, but I am not teaching it dream eater. Would be a waste. I would much rather boost his SpAtk while the opponent is asleep and turn him into a defencive sweeper.
Suicune: One of the few exceptions I make. I started using it as a tag-team with Vaporeon. It is also my trump card against other legendary users. It allows me to even the odds without being cheap like many others.
The question I have to ask is "What the hell is wrong with YOU?" There isn't anything wrong with my team other than the fact I've excluded my mains. I did not want them here because of both obvious and unobvious reasons of my own. You, pal, have serious respect issues.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:56 pm
Luther Olathes Where the hell do you people learn pokemon from? Apperently I need to explain things to you people since you can't figure them out your damn self. stare Absol: It is only first in line because it is the first that came to mind. I will change the order so you stop getting it mixed up. Also, I have never had trouble with it before. I gave it a Jolly nature to give it as much speed as possible. Once I get a speed booster, or Choice Scarf, it will be much faster and much more useful.
Ok, first off, you did try to make him as fast as he can be. The fact that is still there is that one hit from a fighting move will take this guy down, he isn't the fastest even with the boost and there are faster fighting moves and fighting moves designed to go first. I am just warning you about that.Vaperon: Acid Armor is to give it complete defence. It already has high SpDef, and Acid Armor is to pull up the slack. Also, it was raised on LeafGreen and therefore, skipped out on learning Aqua Ring. I also do not have to resources to breed for Wish.
It coming from Leaf Green is not an excuse, there is some one called the move tutor and for the price of a heart scale you can TEACH it Aqua Ring. It has a very high defense all ready, you don't need to boost it even more. It is more annoying to keep regaining health then it is to not do any damage. At least that way you can get back to full.Sceptile: In case you have not noticed the item and ability, Frenzy Planet is ment for quick kills. It manages to survive attacks and stricks back with even deadlier force. You must be mistaking Focus Blast for Focus Punch. Focus Blast is the Fighting version of Hydro Pump. (By that I mean it has the same power as Hydro Pump.) The sad fact is Frenzy Plant just isn't a good move. You will notice that no serious player uses any of the final starter moves, it just isn't worth it. Losing a turn really isn't ever worth it. Ok maybe I did mix those two up, no problem my mistake. What isn't a mistake though is the fact that why are you even putting a fighting move on your Sceptile? It doesn't cover any of your weaknesses, in fact the only advantage you gain is over dark types. Also, why would you even want a move like Hydro Pump? It is unreliable and the small power advantage is simply not worth it.Tyranitar: Giving it Outrage would not only require a lot more Breeding, but I also do not have the pokemon to do so. You need to breed multipule times to get a Dragon Dancing Tyranitar. It is my next experiment, but it will have to wait. The purpose Tyranitar serves is a combination of Offence and Defence. It does not take a lot of breeding, I would know since I happen to have one and did all the breeding for it. That is just you being lazy. What is the point of putting all this effort into a pokemon if you are going to do it half arsed?Spiritomb: This is usually my first pokemon out, so I will move it to the top. That combination does not always work. Specially when up against Dark pokemon. I do not find that Spiritomb should be wasted just to figure out what my opponent is up to. Hypnosis might work, but I am not teaching it dream eater. Would be a waste. I would much rather boost his SpAtk while the opponent is asleep and turn him into a defencive sweeper. Spiritomb does not do a lot of damage either way, its better to use its no weaknesses to confuse the team and put them to sleep. Plus it would heal you at the same time as doing damage. Not all pokemon have insomnia and such but if they do then you can still confuse it and attack it. Its mostly what you prefer on this pokemon though. It can go either way.
Suicune: One of the few exceptions I make. I started using it as a tag-team with Vaporeon. It is also my trump card against other legendary users. It allows me to even the odds without being cheap like many others. The thing is if you are using a legendary you are relying on it. The fact that I did not take you seriously, and still don't, is that you are using one. It doesn't take any skill to use one and quite frankly its something beginner trainers use.The question I have to ask is "What the hell is wrong with YOU?" There isn't anything wrong with my team other than the fact I've excluded my mains. I did not want them here because of both obvious and unobvious reasons. You, pal, have serious respect issues. Dude calm the HELL down. I have issues with respect? Maybe you need to look at a mirror buddy. First off, you are making excuses, BAD ones at that. I was offering HELPFUL advice, I wasn't trying to be mean with it, if you look at all my other reviews they were done the same way. You were not being treated special but you can DAMN well be sure you will be now. Just because some people don't praise your team like the second coming does NOT mean that they are wrong. Some people are just trying to give you some help and you can choose to agree or disagree with them. You DO NOT get to slam them down and for what they think is a good idea. I rated your team a three because it needs some work, it will win you some battles but not all of them, you have a bout a 50% chance of winning a battle with this team. Also the problem is your typing. You just have so much collective weaknesses and little to no cover over them. I have a mono team that has more type coverage then your team. The fact is you need to cover your weaknesses and you just are not doing that.
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Melphaligal the Challama Crew
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:38 pm
Luther Olathes You seen to forget, Weavile has a 45 base SpAtk, and Sceptile has a base SpDef of 105. Unless you retrain it, your Weavile will be luck to even make a dent. And if it does manage to get my Sceptile down to less than 1/3 of its HP, my Sceptile will be at the peak of strength. The next pokemon you throw out there might not survive. Sure, Weavile's Special Attack is crap, but you are forgetting that its base Attack is a healthy 120, and that any trainer worth their salt has bred the now-physical Ice Punch as part of its standard move set. Also, Weavile's base speed is 125 while Sceptile's is only 120.
I would also like to point out that when you post your team up to be rated you are asking for other people's opinions and suggestions to help make your team better. These are not direct attacks on your team or move choices, just opinions offered by other members of the GPA. There has been absolutely no reason for you to dig in your heels and defend your choices the way you did. The Team Rating Center subforum is meant for trainers to post up their teams to get help and suggestions on improving them, not so they can be told by everyone else what a wonderful team they raised and get a pat on the back for it.
To reiterate: When you post a team to be rated, expect suggestions and constructive criticism to be offered up by other people. If anything, you should thank the people who take the time to look over your team and offer suggestions. I highly suggest you calm down and stop overreacting to what other people say about your team (now on another note, if someone is actually being rude and flaming you, then you should report it to me or another guild moderator) otherwise your thread will be closed and you'll receive an official warning.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:41 pm
I greatly appologize for my rudeness. I did get a little carried away. I was a little stressed and upset from stuff outside of gaia. I am sorry I took it out here, and I greatly appoloigize. sweatdrop
For the purpose of friendly debate, I am a Dark-type Gym Leader in another guild, so, that is why it may seem like I have alot of spare dark pokemon. Most of my training and focus goes there. I also have other things getting in the way of training. So, pardon my weaknesses. I tend to work with what I got. Why fix what isn't broken?
To be honest, my Vaporeon does not have good Defence. It is actually its worse IV. I will admit I never thought of Aqua Ring. I might give it a try, since I can't think of anything better to improve it with.
I actually copied this Spiritomb technique from a friend, and it has yet failed me. Also, because of the Sleep Clause commonly used in the Wi-fi League in which I am a part of, the sleep strategy would only do so much. If the opponent switched out the sleeping pokemon and used another, I would not be able to use it again. This strategy works best under such rules. Also, some people tend to withdraw pokemon that are confused, which leaves and opening for Nasty Plot.
Actually, Focus Blast does take care of Ice. It can also be used against Dark and Steel. Sceptile is doubly powerful against Rock. I've never been one to follow mainstream techniques. Like I said, Frenzy Plant is there for those quick kills. When his HP is low, all he has is one more shot anyway. Why not make it count?
As I said, I'm still Experimenting with Tyranitars. The current one I had wasn't all that great, so I needed a replacement. This one does rather well. I will get to breeding one with Outrage once I get around all my other projects. Lately I've been looking for things to either improve my Gym team as a whole, or something fun to use on Random Wi-fis.
I do agree, most legendaries require no skill to use. However, if one does take the time to properly train one, it can be a force to fear. I use it as a means to even the score over wi-fi. If you've ever played Pokemon Battle Revolusion, there are alot of people who use the main Ubers. Suicune evens the score and shows these noobs how a real legendary should fight.
Again, I would like to appologize if I've offended anyone. I guess with all the stress I took the comment a bit too offencively and I appologize for that.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:10 am
nice team but wor on the super effects and weaknesses.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:21 pm
Hate to break it to you, but a Machamp would take out 3-4 members of your team.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:54 pm
okay! i'm just gonna pick at your flaws here because your team and strategies are pretty good, few problems with missing items and moves, but you can't help that right?
for a start i am agreeing with Melphaligal the Challama about your vaporeon, acid armor is pretty bad, it boosts special def, but put yourself in this position if you manage to actually use acid armor *your fighting my team, you got your vaporeon on the field, and i send out my houndoom, my houndoom uses thunder fang. to shorten things, your ******** your thinking some thing like "hey he's part fire i can kill it easy, you forgot about houndoom's speed, if it has the right nature, it can go to 300+ while vaporeon's is only 250 and below or something like that. Plus your vaporeon is trained for ATTACK, all of your moves are special attacks might wanna rethink your offense with it there hmm?
next:suicune, i know what i'm talking about here, i used a suicune when i didn't know that using legendaries were nooby. suicune with hydro pump AND surf is kinda useless, although it does work with your vaporeon, your vaporeon has surf too...keep one or the other, not both, there are better moves that could take one of the places on both pokemon, try exchanging vaporeon's surf with hydro pump and give suicune extrasensory or ominous wind if you have platinum(tutored move) for more weakness coverage and variety.
hope this helps ^_^
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:08 pm
Your strong points are:
normal
fighting
psychic
Your weak points are:
fighting
fighting is a strong point for one of your pokemon, and weak for another of your pokemon.
Try to eliminate that weak point, and your'e good.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:48 pm
iGanon - That is where Absol's speed, power, and Psycho cut comes in. Only two are weak against Machamp's STAB moves and one can outrun him.
Genoru - The Atk part was a typo. It's trained for SpAtk. Secondly, Acid Armor boost Defence. Not sure if that's a typo on your part or what. Just thought I'd bring that to light. The idea is to cover Vaporeon's lesser Def. Part of the idea with Suicune was to combo it with Vapreon and use Surf, giving Vaporen an HP boost every turn. Now that I've tought about it, using Lapras might be an even better idea. I didn't take Platinum into concideration since I made this team before Platinum was even announced and now that it's out I've beedn side traced. I'll keep the move tutors in mind, though.
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