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 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:31 pm
Gaia BST Anecdotes Welcome, this thread basically serves as a "scratch pad" for various undeveloped ideas I've got for the Gaia Battle System, where notes and updates of random ideas and systems will be posted until the primary draft is put in the public sticky. This will also be the place where people in the network specifically, can make their own comments about their concerns and ideas of the BST. If I have the answer to a question, and I have permission to give it, I will do so. I do not claim to have any more information than any of you. Any one of you could learn everything I have by simply reading the various subject threads such as stickies and paying attention to what's going on. 3nodding NOTICE: The Gaia BST Anecdotes Thread is entirely out of character. All In character posts will be deleted without Warning.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:28 pm
first lets begin with the physical attack grid vs. the metaphysical attack grid...
these were ideas that focused around the concept of being able to have custom taylored strategy in the way you fight, even if you have minimal skills or levels.
It would also allow a person to change their combat strategy in the middle of a battle against a particularly tough opponent, as is common in anime. You might recall that a very limited version of this effect was demonstrated by old final fantasy games which allowed you to switch party arrangement, and thus who was attacked more.
party arrangement also had an impact on the defense and offense of its members. This takes it a step further and puts it in your hands.
while the initial idea revolves around offensive vs. defensive, quick vs. accuracy, etc., After some deliberation, a problem arose which set up only 16% defense and 66% offense, a terrible imbalance
for this solution, let us begin digging into an analysis of the Temporal physics equation for teleport/time travel, and how that applies to transcendant immortal beings such as angels...
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:44 pm
So we must ask, how would each of these wage war ? Obviously the best way to begin is with the Material.
In the material world, we are governed by gravity, by velocity, and by mass. We are governed by inertia, and by time. If a being were exempt from time, they would, by the material standards, be exempt from our system of combat. At first, this seems impossible, but let us analyze each scenario.
First, a bullet. A bullet is moving at a certain velocity and because of the inertia of the target, the form is torn asunder.
Second, a sword. The sword relies upon surface tension, or pressure of force, to divide the target. Again, without an inertia, the sword cannot maintain itself, nor can it wage against the victim.
In both cases, the stronger the force pulling the weapon, the faster it travels through space, and the slower it travels through time, and the more distortion it creates.
Moving on, a fire, which is said to be heat is actually a transition of radiation. It could be construed as a form of electromagnetism, but what is becoming electromagnetic ? Truly, we must realize that the transition from one space and time of velocity, to the next, is the formation of the radiation. The temperature is a measure of the orbits of electrons within an object. A Plasma exists when the electrons are separated from the nucleus. Yet, how do we get a plasma when there is no nucleus ? Likewise, how do we have a nuclear reaction when there is no nucleus ? We dont.
Although it is highly probable that light is some how governed or restrained in some way by gravity, space, and time, we have no reason to automatically assume this is so. There may be an aspect of existence beyond our comprehension at this time, which would further elucidate reality.
So this brings us back to some simple principles. Mass is an aspect of gravity exchanging with electromagnetism. It is the whirl and yin yang of spacetime. No spacetime, no mass. So we look at the equation 1/2mv^2. First, our mass is zero. Second, our velocity, which is a measure of space/time is also zero- both not applicable.
Age ? Whats that ? entropy ? Huh ?
If this equation, ultimately governs all physical warfare, then it is impossible to damage a being unbound by these aspects, physically.
Let us look for a moment, at the concept of temporal distortion. We begin with a man who is 1000 times faster. Normally, the man can swing a fist or weapon with approximately 30 m/s, or about 60 mph. Not bad. When they put their weight behind a blow, it comes to 20 kg (over 40lbs worth) /2 multiplied by 900, totaling 9000 newtons.
Now the same person moving at x1000, is producing 30,000 m/s at the same mass. They end up creating
9,000,000,000 newtons, per blow, but, oh, wait, they also temporally speaking, only experience 1/1000th the velocity of any object, including lasers. Visible light shifts down to infra red hues, and X rays become visible. The kinetic impact of any incoming projectile of any size is reduced by a factor of 1,000,000. A direct nuclear blast becomes a sunburn, with a gentle breeze. Gamma radiation becomes ultra violet light, such as that in a dance club. And yet, the person is still moving at these speeds, time is dilated. So they do not strike, like bruce lee for 7 punches in a second. They strike 1000 times. Producing 9 trillion joules of kinetic force, each blow creating plasma streaks in the air at hypersonic velocities of 60,000 mph. They begin walking at Mach 6, and then pick up speed and reach escape velocity. They block a plasma cutter with their hands and say "ouch, thats hot" healing the wound in seconds.
Yet, all of this fanfare, is still less than nothing, compared to the effects of a being who doesnt exist in time, period. A temporally exempt being can theoretically perceive the entire time stream. A spatially exempt being considers each place, and is there, and may seem to those in space, to be everywhere at once. What is teleportation, FTL travel, and wormholes, when anywhere you want to be, there you are ?
Now, moving on, to the differences, we see that in the material world, we wage war with velocity, space, and time. These things create our masses, inertia, and momentum. Now, let us look at the aspects of magnetism and electricity, if those truly are the two hierarchal forces, composing light, beauty, and form.
It would seem that electron orbits create not only electricity, but also acidity, optical reflection, color, pressure, surface tention, and the strength of the objects molecular cohension. If it radiates light, it appears to be an aspect of electromagnetism. Literally, the forcefield itself a person experiences is an aspect of these forces.
So now, we must ask, what is it, that would cause them to be attacked ?
Is it darkness ? is it an alteration in frequency ? In vibration ? What is a supernova or black hole, to a being composed of the aspects of light, and forcefields, literally, a collection of cymatic patterns ?
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:49 pm
Form of mental power... what is it explained as other than magic, mana, intelligence. Simple human words that cannot describe the threshold of power a trained mind can unleash. Joining your lecture here Anthon... A sword, a projectile weapon of sorts can be embued with the power to resist such earthly boundries. The question you must ask is not "How do I break these boundries, but how do I overcome them?"
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:14 am
cilldreansoldier Form of mental power... what is it explained as other than magic, mana, intelligence. Simple human words that cannot describe the threshold of power a trained mind can unleash. Joining your lecture here Anthon... A sword, a projectile weapon of sorts can be embued with the power to resist such earthly boundries. The question you must ask is not "How do I break these boundries, but how do I overcome them?" cill... the BST thread is entirely out of character, and deals entirely with game mechanics of the BST. Your post would fit better in the psychic section, or the magical section, which you are free to create a sticky for. currently magic has absolutely no meaning whatsover to the battle strategy, nor should it, as it is Axiomic, and therefore too questionable to be a permanent feature of every character. An unknown number of characters will not have magic at all, although the estimate is between 20,000 and 60,000 members. magic in its fundamental nature, however, may be a contributed factor from a metaphysical grid, however, until grid one is created, there will be no clear outline for grid II.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:55 pm
Michael Noire cilldreansoldier Form of mental power... what is it explained as other than magic, mana, intelligence. Simple human words that cannot describe the threshold of power a trained mind can unleash. Joining your lecture here Anthon... A sword, a projectile weapon of sorts can be embued with the power to resist such earthly boundries. The question you must ask is not "How do I break these boundries, but how do I overcome them?" cill... the BST thread is entirely out of character, and deals entirely with game mechanics of the BST. Your post would fit better in the psychic section, or the magical section, which you are free to create a sticky for. currently magic has absolutely no meaning whatsover to the battle strategy, nor should it, as it is Axiomic, and therefore too questionable to be a permanent feature of every character. An unknown number of characters will not have magic at all, although the estimate is between 20,000 and 60,000 members. magic in its fundamental nature, however, may be a contributed factor from a metaphysical grid, however, until grid one is created, there will be no clear outline for grid II. I won't argue with you there. But it is also true that walking into a combat situation with no knowledge what so ever is in fact suicide. Forgive my intrusion but I'm overwhelmed and exited with related threads in somewhere I feel like I can discuss and lecture what I'm best at.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:49 pm
[(kg)*[1/(2 X kg)]^0.5 (m/s)] * [(kg)*[1/(2 X kg)]^0.5 [1/(s/m)]] = j
(f)x (100/1) * (f)x [1/(1/100)] = 500,000
example:
(100)*[1/(2 X 100)]^0.5 (100/1) * (100)*[1/(2 X 100)]^0.5 [1/(1/100)] = j
= 500,000
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:00 pm
the above equation is a multiple of space and time, with mass factored in... some time ago, the following speach came to me, concerning frequency and mass. On Monday, September 27, 2004, I Chicken or the Egg ?In a previous essay, it has been stated that the gravitational distortion of an electron is emmense, based solely upon the proximity of the radius. First of all, one of the chief malefunctions of the concept of quantum physics is the idea that an object, at some point, has mass. Electrons do not have mass. They are motion. This vortex is what creates the gravitational pool. The velocity of the vortex creates the distortion. The distortion is what creates the flow of gravity. Therefore, how could we possibly calculate the "mass" of an object ? Archimedes once took the weight of an object, and compared it to its displacement in water, to calculate volume vs. density, for gold. When we are calculating mass, therefore, we are measuring at best, its perceived gravitational distortion based upon the proximity of its radius. These values, however, would have to be skewed, in order to justify an object volume density, on the quantum level. So how does the vortex of an electron, with its frequency being the base figure for calculation, translate into its gravitational distortion ? And before we try to decipher this strange relationship between frequency, radius, and gravity; let us first address a secondary problem. The spatial distortion required to bend the flow of circulation of an electron so that it perceives its actions to be linear momentum, must be what ? In order to calculate this, we must look at the solar orbit, in relationship to the earth. If the radius of an electron, is a nice, round figure of 2.5e-11 (my own estimation, other scientists calculated at 2.42e-11, using much more advanced mathematics) then we have a serious problem of velocity vs. acceleration. Let us pretend for a moment, that the mythical force of gravity still exists. In order to outdistance the pull and the orbit, the object in question must be traveling at a certain speed, counterbalanced by the inward pull per second. We know that, if placed into an orbital configuration, with a radius of 2.5e-11, the circumfrence would have to be 1.542e-10 (2πR). Now, we do not have the gravitational pull to work with, but we do have the frequency, which will represent our base equation for velocity. Although inaccurate for certain, we should come to a figure within an order of magnitude. Assume that 1 hertz is 1 full orbital 360 degree cycle. 1.2e20 hertz, therefore, is 120 quintillion cycles per second. Thus, following the basic acceleration of astrophysical properties, such as those found in satellites (like the moon around the Earth, or the Earth around the Sun), we can say that 0.0000000001542 meters are covered 1.2e20 times per second. For a total distance of 1.8504e10 m/s. Regardless of the orbital transformation, this distance translates as velocity of 1.8504e10 m/s, which then becomes the battleground of orbit. At this point, we prepose a gravitational arc of “1 meter” from the radius, which would suspend the field at the above velocity (1.8...). Now the question: Does the extremely small radius of the electron orbit increase or decrease the required “gravitational” acceleration to counter balance it ? In the example below, we have converted the distances covered into measures of picometers, and picoseconds. (e12 difference). V = (GM/r)^0.5 If v = 1.8504e10 If r = 2.5e-11 Then…1.8504e10 = (GM/2.5e-11)^0.5 1.8504e10 = (x/2.5e-11)^0.5 1.8504e10 = (x^0.5/5e-6) 9.027e4= x^0.5 8.1486729e9 = x if G is constant, then 8.1486729e9/G = M G= 6.67300 × 10-11 Now this of course, is quite humorous. Since it then calculates M as 1.22e20; what is M ? M is supposed to be the central mass in kilograms. Quite amusing really. FREQUENCY = MASS. I think I said that some time ago, but who knew it would take so much perverted astrophysics to come to this conclusion. Of course, if we tried to turn around the equation, we would come up with a new gravitational constant. (at this point, I do not believe “G” is constant either, and was probably calculated using the same idiot math dealing with the speed of light) If G were not constant, and the mass of an electron really were a fixed number, in this case, 9.1e-31 kg, then we would have a completely different figure for G. as 8.1486729e9 = G*M; then M being constant this time, at 9.1e-31 8.1486729e9/9.1e-31 = 8.95458e39. I wonder what this would mean as a gravitational constant, since that figure is closer to Dwarf Galaxy and Galactic Black Hole figures, than anything else I recognize. It seems at this point, that the mass = frequency is more likely.
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:02 am
i think, ive gotten really close to finishing the triangle of doom...
Punch___________________unarmed offensive
Front kick________________unarmed offensive
Side kick_________________unarmed offensive
Sweep___________________unarmed offensive; throw
Back kick________________unarmed offensive
Grapple__________________unarmed defensive, hold
Choke___________________unarmed offensive, hold
Leg grapple_______________unarmed defensive, hold
Throw___________________unarmed offensive, throw
Break____________________unarmed offensive, hold
Lock_____________________unarmed defensive, hold
Chop/Knife Hand __________unarmed offensive
Knife Kick________________unarmed offensive
Spear hand________________unarmed offensive
Talon Hand/ Rake __________unarmed offensive
Half Fist, Karate Punch ______unarmed offensive
Half Fist, Kung Fu Punch ____unarmed offensive
Nerve Strike _____________unarmed offensive, anatomy
Pressure points ____________unarmed offensive/defensive, anatomy
Knee strike________________unarmed offensive
Elbow Strike_______________unarmed offensive
Head butt__________________unarmed offensive
Arm Bar__________________unarmed offensive, hold
Block ___________________unarmed defensive
Disarm ___________________armed/unarmed defensive
Leg Block_________________unarmed defensive
Roll______________________unarmed defensive
Break Fall_________________unarmed defensive
Body Hardening ____________unarmed defensive
Acupuncture_______________anatomy
Patience
Initiave Vs. Patience
Aggression
Ukeru vs. Semeru
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:28 am
PatienceInitiave Vs. Patience AggressionUkeru vs. Semeru ...completely satisfied with the second grouping. Using Yaoi terms which were derived from Japanese martial arts some how seemed appropriate for Gaia. The notions of the first group seems somewhat correct, although "timing" is the generic idea, and do not wish to use the same word" patience" twice. While entering the word patience into the thesaurus, is was quite interesting what was found. Patience:1. Endurance - backbone, ... calmness, composure, cool, ...fortitude, guts, heart, humility, passiveness, perserverence, persistence, poise, self-control, serenity, staying power, ... submission, ... yielding it is in this first definition, that this word directly connects itself to the "ukeru" of the Aggression Table, which means this triangle practically builds itself. All I would then need is something that properly fits the array of polar opposites to connect Semeru and Initiative.2. composure3. StaminaMoving on, we will look up variations on the terms : Speed, and Timing. Speedactivity, agility, alacrity, celerity, haste, quickness.. timing didn't result in much of anything, although transient did. still working on it... time fast vs. slow space big vs. small gravity light vs. heavy Mass Material electricity magnetism light light vs. darkness Emotions Dance, Beauty, Geometry Spiritual feminine, masculine sound thoughts Will choices, freedom, drive Intelligence tactics, creativity, spontaneity speed vs. accuracy offense vs. defense hit vs. damage hit vs. lethal hit: patience hitting them, or not being hit?: aggression ukeru recieves attacks: block, catch, parry, reposte, grapple, disarm passive vs. aggressive/ dominant vs. submissive Quote: Seme & Uke "Seme" and "uke" are Japanese terms used to show the positions of the characters during sex. "Seme" comes from the verb "semeru" (to attack) and is the penetrator. Uke comes from the verb "ukeru" (to receive) and is the one being penetrated.
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:38 pm
wow there are over 20,000 people on line right now and I'm the only one I know crying
ok, back to strategy combat forms... -did some notes on a bus ride out to the Valley, its like an hour trip, and the temperature was 10 degrees colder than it was when i got on the bus i think - could have just been the wind though. xp
ok, next post.. synchronicity & polarity
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:45 pm
pasive vs. agressive
dominant vs. submissive
finesse vs. brutality
Finesse
acumen, adeptness, adroitness, artfulness, artifice, big stick, bluff, cleverness, competence, con, craft, craftiness, cunning, delicacy, diplomacy, discernment, discretion, feint, gamesmanship, gimmick, grift, guile, maneuver, one-upmanship, polish, quickness, racket, run around, ruse, savoir-faire, savvy, skill, sophistication, stratagem, subtlety, tact, trick, wile
adeptness, adroitness, bent, capability, cleverness, command, competence, craft, deftness, expertise, expertness, finesse, flair, genius, gift, handiness, ingenuity, intelligence, knack, know-how, mastery, proficiency, resourcefulness, savvy, skill, skillfulness, strength, talent, the goods, the stuff
Brutality
atrocity, barbarism, barbarity, bloodthirstiness, brutishness, choke hold, cruelty, ferocity, fierceness, grossness, inhumanity, ruthlessness, sadism, savageness, savagery, unfeelingness, viciousness, violence
see ferocity (c.f. ferocious)
Finesse, seems to be a measure of refinement and style, it relies on speed, but also seems to reflect Affluence. Finesse is common to a fencer, and represents the skilled Nobility.
There seems to be some sort of perverse honor derrived from fighting with finesse, haughty, almost arrogant if pushed to the limit. the "I'm better than you" Air of Ego ever present.
Brutality on the other had, is often synonymous with Barbarism, as in a barbarian. One who is unrefined, often poor, or at least poorly trained or educated. It lacks style, but makes up for it in what else" brute" strength. Brutality is somewhat related to speed, in respect of relentlessness, the endless barrage of attacks. It is very Seme in nature.
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:01 am
Notes from my iddy biddy note book heart
Experience vs. Intuition
reality vs. fantasy
deception vs. honesty
concealed vs. obvious
truth vs. illusion
wisdom vs. delusion
large vs. small
male vs. female
young vs. old
strength vs. speed
spontaneous vs. planned
on the fly vs. rehersed
creative vs. mechanical
emotional vs. intellectual
light vs. dark
humility vs. pride
charity vs. greed
love vs. hate
living vs. dead
freedom vs. slavery
bliss vs. well-being
wickedness vs. happiness
physical vs. metaphysical
hot vs. cold
positive vs. negative
color vs. black & white
black vs. white
day vs. night
soft vs. hard
aesthetic vs. crude
smooth vs. rough
pleasure vs. pain
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:14 pm
By law though, to be able to operate at such speeds, wouldn't you're body have to be reconfigured, or trained majorly for such things?
Also, with such powers, wouldn't it be likely that the person would create unpuposeful or even undesireable reactions?
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:08 am
theory of relativity, my friend...you are changing your spacetime relationship with the rest of the local area. The real difficulties, if any, would be things like breathing, eating, and radiation. Of course, radiation levels lower than normal are safer than those higher, because its the amount of energy colliding that does the real damage, and energy is a property of velocity. Thus, even though the frequency drop is technically more dangerous, and closer to being "burned alive", in reality, the temperature change is insignificant, because the energy intensity decreases by the temporal acceleration differentiation, SQUARED... Thus if you move just 10 times faster, though the visible light turns into a dim infra red, and ultra violet on a low spectrum becomes visible light, at the same time, the intensities for ALL of them are reduced by a factor of 100. it was also concluded for safety purposes of the combat system, and temporal field distortion, based upon the Law of Magnetism by Farady, that an object which came too close in contact with you, would "sap off" some of your "temporal charge" creating an equilibrium... Since the air you breath is very small in total mass and its proximity is extremely internal, it would automatically "drag you" back to normal space, in the same way static electricity re distributes electrons. This of course enables you to breath, but also gives the basic explanation as to why you have to "maintain" the field, - and it doesn't just maintain itself. check this out... http://members.shaw.ca/tfrisen/how_much_oxygen_for_a_person.htmaccording to calculations, a person takes about 12-15 breaths per minute, lets assume 15 per minute for a bit more strenuous activity. Therefore, per breath, (4 seconds) 38.88 mg of air are used. The human adult body masses between 50 and 100 kg, on average. Assuming you were at a x10 temporal distortion and massed 50 kg (about 110 lbs) in one minute, you would use 583 mg, which is ~1/1.167e-5 in ratio. Your actual temporal distortion has a ratio of 100 units (velocity squared), so the amount of time it would take before you were reduced from x10 to x9, (not counting air friction or impacts) = 11.31 days. of course, your time would shorten much quicker just by standing on the ground and walking around. The real test though is when you physically move something else, not when you are merely "next to it" thus unless you move the entire planet, your time will not be "sapped" - I suppose you have to think of it in terms of electricity, but instead of Ohms and electrical resistence, you have temporal resistence which is based upon acceleration. O_o As far as "high velocity"you are already moving in circles at 1.8504e10 m/s as stated above, which is 61.68 times the speed of light. Moving at 100 meters per second, or even 10,000 meters per second (x1000) doesn't hold a candle to that.
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