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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:41 pm
So, what do you think about school? What are your thoughts on your school's methods or setup? Do you think that a better education really makes you more successful in life? Why or why not? What do you think could be done to improve things in any school system?
No, this is not limited to high school. (Any school, be it a university or grade school really...)
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:25 am
Schools are very good for subjects you can learn by rote, and are good with learning through audio or visual styles. They're absolute HELL for kinesthetic learners (I think that's the word?), and they tend to be a graveyard of creativity.
I think a better education can make you more successful, as it increases the knowledge-base you have to work from. That being said - you still need a fully functioning brain to USE that knowledge with! That is something no school can ever teach you how to do.
Improving the school system...forget the damn political correctness. This is especially true on religious issues - either don't let it influence schooling at all, or else teach ALL of them.
An example of what I mean - in some places there is pressure not to teach evolution in the classroom, because that implies that intelligent design is wrong, and by extension that some religions are wrong. This is stupid - the kid should be taught the scientific approach in school, and be left to decide on their own if they believe the religious one or not - they shouldn't be forced not to learn the scientific explanation because it might shake their faith.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:19 pm
I'll start with a disclaimer on my High School. I went to Environmental Charter High School in Lawndale, CA, 2002-2006. I was in the second graduating class. It was an experimental school, meaning it had just started when I applied, and they were still tweaking the system. Each class, 9-12 grade, went on a field trip specific to the grade's curriculum. 9th grade goes to Catalina Island, off the coast of Southern California. My 10th grade class went to Kern River, in Central California, but it changed the year after. 11th grade went backpacking for a week in the Sierra Mountains, Sequoia National Forest. And 12th grade went to San Diego for an urban backpacking trip. And before 9th grade even started, we all had to go to a 3 day camping trip, to meet each other and to build a strong community.
The courses were great for a lot of reasons. We had specific classes that taught us about the environment and issues with it. We also had math, art, music, science, english, history and so on. You couldn't pick classes, really. It was a small school, about 300 students when I left, so they just had classes picked for you. There were math placements, also Spanish placement tests, but otherwise you had no choice. With all this said, I didn't got to a normal high school. I had a chance to nurture my creativity, and I had teachers supporting me. By the time graduation came, we were all a really big family.
I have seen a lot of things on schools doing horrible things with classes and such. The fact that Christians don't want their children to learn evolution and other sciences, is appalling. School is for learning about the world. Church is for learning about the Lord. They are separate, and they should remain so. That's why people came here, to escape persecution. If you want your religion talked about at school, the other religions have to be taught too. That's how my school did it. Also, things like schools allowing kids to skip science classes like that because the parents don't want them learning it is absolutely ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, skipping is skipping, and 3 or more is grounds for suspension and/or expulsion. How would they pass tests? Or even fairly? They don't get to take a test to better their grade, but the other students do? No, thats not fair to the other students, who worked hard for their grade.
Last point I'll make, because this is getting long, is that schools, High Schools, Colleges and even some Elementary schools, put too much pressure on doing work, but not doing it right. In most schools, all you need to do is hand in or show you completed all the answers/requirements and you get a grade. You don't need to answer them right, and you don't need to show you learned. Most of your grade is calculated by what you complete, not what you know. That's horrible too. If they don't need to know the material to get most of their grade, why even do tests?
Anyways, I'll answer more, later. Because I need to go look for something. D:
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:20 pm
And I promise to give my opinions on the actual questions asked, when I get back... >>
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:32 pm
Avengelynn I'll start with a disclaimer on my High School. I went to Environmental Charter High School in Lawndale, CA, 2002-2006. I was in the second graduating class. It was an experimental school, meaning it had just started when I applied, and they were still tweaking the system. Each class, 9-12 grade, went on a field trip specific to the grade's curriculum. 9th grade goes to Catalina Island, off the coast of Southern California. My 10th grade class went to Kern River, in Central California, but it changed the year after. 11th grade went backpacking for a week in the Sierra Mountains, Sequoia National Forest. And 12th grade went to San Diego for an urban backpacking trip. And before 9th grade even started, we all had to go to a 3 day camping trip, to meet each other and to build a strong community.The courses were great for a lot of reasons. We had specific classes that taught us about the environment and issues with it. We also had math, art, music, science, english, history and so on. You couldn't pick classes, really. It was a small school, about 300 students when I left, so they just had classes picked for you. There were math placements, also Spanish placement tests, but otherwise you had no choice. With all this said, I didn't got to a normal high school. I had a chance to nurture my creativity, and I had teachers supporting me. By the time graduation came, we were all a really big family. I have seen a lot of things on schools doing horrible things with classes and such. The fact that Christians don't want their children to learn evolution and other sciences, is appalling. School is for learning about the world. Church is for learning about the Lord. They are separate, and they should remain so. That's why people came here, to escape persecution. If you want your religion talked about at school, the other religions have to be taught too. That's how my school did it. Also, things like schools allowing kids to skip science classes like that because the parents don't want them learning it is absolutely ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, skipping is skipping, and 3 or more is grounds for suspension and/or expulsion. How would they pass tests? Or even fairly? They don't get to take a test to better their grade, but the other students do? No, thats not fair to the other students, who worked hard for their grade.
Last point I'll make, because this is getting long, is that schools, High Schools, Colleges and even some Elementary schools, put too much pressure on doing work, but not doing it right. In most schools, all you need to do is hand in or show you completed all the answers/requirements and you get a grade. You don't need to answer them right, and you don't need to show you learned. Most of your grade is calculated by what you complete, not what you know. That's horrible too. If they don't need to know the material to get most of their grade, why even do tests?
Anyways, I'll answer more, later. Because I need to go look for something. D: I remember, back when I was at school, that i was at a very Christian school... but, well, it appears that Hale is a bit more modern than your schools. Bible-bashing was nowhere in sight; while once-a-month chapel services were compulsory (they didn't have the staff to allow otherwise, and students must ALWAYS be accounted for) God was offered to us, not forced upon us by crazed, militant priests. And yes, evolution was taught in biology. Religion classes were actually called... something clappy... but we did a wide range of stuff, not just Anglicanism. (Oh, yes. Right. I was at an Anglican school) Buddhism, morals in general, table etiquette of all things... My little brother did Islam... philosophy... the list continues. Mind you, our teacher was awesome. Hale's setup is, personally, the best setup I've seen. I might be a bit biased here... =D It's like nothing you guys have seen. ... *Shuts up*
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:37 pm
There's no need to answer every question...come to think of it....as your own if you want. biggrin I was just throwing stuff out to start off.
ANYWAY, here's my take:
See, I agree, though I come from a town that is pretty much a college town. A Christian college, no less. But, from what I can see from what my friends that go there are take etc. there isn't a bias there towards teaching. I mean, even in my classes at the regular old public school (which...ironically has more classes than the private one) has it's own opinions. Our teachers will teach us the scientific way of going about thinking, but they will either make it clear that they see it from the Christian stand point, or give us a random side note of how they think that it can all be religiously viewed while still applying to the scientific aspects. (which is really pretty interesting when a teacher does do that.)
I don't really think that religion should be taught over a a particular way of teaching (be it science or otherwise) because it is simply not the way the rest of the world will be seeing it. It's almost a disadvantage to do that in my opinion. But then again, it's my opinion.
Now, if a school's like yours, Erika then I can see the advantages and disadvantages of it. I mean, I love the idea of it...but if there wasn't much class selection, I can't say as I'd like it....^^; My school as A LOT of classes to choose from and the like, with several tracks to each of the core classes. (GOD.... AP ENGLISH IS MURDERING ME. *cough* Moving on.) The selection is what makes me like it so much...though I hate it for the rules...(pointless, pointless rules.)
As for whether or not a higher education will help you in the future, I believe so, yes. Sometimes, there are things that simply cannot be obtained without it. (not that I'm saying it's absolutely necessary.)
I can't speak for college.....yet. But I will say that in my school's case, easing up on some of the random rules that just make our lives so hectic...(Not to mention that the admins give detention and ISS like there's no tomorrow to some people.)
And......I'm gonna cut off here...I can feel the train of thought wavering and scattering to the winds....and I'm at a loss as to where it was actually headed when I started this particular post. sweatdrop
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Tsume Rokaro Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:06 am
my opinion.
not to sound so down about it. not that im dumb or anything and cant pass.
I usually pass in every class eccept one every once in a while witch is math. Besides that I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT.
The clicks and people. the trends even. its all a competition when it comes to school. to many judgemental people, others who dont seem to seek your level. ofcourse, thats why I just sit there in class having to listen to stupid 5th grade drama.. I'm suppost to be freshman this year, but im 8th grade. I was held back in the 1st grade.. idk why though. lol
SO, anyhow, Im taking high school online after this summer! And at least I get a longer break. Im moving to a different area as well. I dont want to suffer through high school like everybody else does.
and before you say anything.
NO, I dont care about my social life. I have enough friends I can visit, and I am much to mature for my age.
NO, as you can see Idc about the proms and homecommings.
NO, Idc about the guys I might meet if I went, cause for a fact, I really dont care. aha
I am not the social type anyhow, but I am social when ever Im away from school. I have no way of getting to school by next year anyhow. Unless I had my motorcycle, but im only 14.
So basically,
I had many trying to change my mind, and look for outcomes, and reasons for me to go to school but really w/e opinion someone has, its not gonna change mine anyways.
school is full of evil. period. I rather join a christian school, but they have none for high school. so im taking my schooling online. and college.
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:28 am
Niccolo Salomanos Avengelynn I'll start with a disclaimer on my High School. I went to Environmental Charter High School in Lawndale, CA, 2002-2006. I was in the second graduating class. It was an experimental school, meaning it had just started when I applied, and they were still tweaking the system. Each class, 9-12 grade, went on a field trip specific to the grade's curriculum. 9th grade goes to Catalina Island, off the coast of Southern California. My 10th grade class went to Kern River, in Central California, but it changed the year after. 11th grade went backpacking for a week in the Sierra Mountains, Sequoia National Forest. And 12th grade went to San Diego for an urban backpacking trip. And before 9th grade even started, we all had to go to a 3 day camping trip, to meet each other and to build a strong community.The courses were great for a lot of reasons. We had specific classes that taught us about the environment and issues with it. We also had math, art, music, science, english, history and so on. You couldn't pick classes, really. It was a small school, about 300 students when I left, so they just had classes picked for you. There were math placements, also Spanish placement tests, but otherwise you had no choice. With all this said, I didn't got to a normal high school. I had a chance to nurture my creativity, and I had teachers supporting me. By the time graduation came, we were all a really big family. I have seen a lot of things on schools doing horrible things with classes and such. The fact that Christians don't want their children to learn evolution and other sciences, is appalling. School is for learning about the world. Church is for learning about the Lord. They are separate, and they should remain so. That's why people came here, to escape persecution. If you want your religion talked about at school, the other religions have to be taught too. That's how my school did it. Also, things like schools allowing kids to skip science classes like that because the parents don't want them learning it is absolutely ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, skipping is skipping, and 3 or more is grounds for suspension and/or expulsion. How would they pass tests? Or even fairly? They don't get to take a test to better their grade, but the other students do? No, thats not fair to the other students, who worked hard for their grade.
Last point I'll make, because this is getting long, is that schools, High Schools, Colleges and even some Elementary schools, put too much pressure on doing work, but not doing it right. In most schools, all you need to do is hand in or show you completed all the answers/requirements and you get a grade. You don't need to answer them right, and you don't need to show you learned. Most of your grade is calculated by what you complete, not what you know. That's horrible too. If they don't need to know the material to get most of their grade, why even do tests?
Anyways, I'll answer more, later. Because I need to go look for something. D: I remember, back when I was at school, that i was at a very Christian school... but, well, it appears that Hale is a bit more modern than your schools. Bible-bashing was nowhere in sight; while once-a-month chapel services were compulsory (they didn't have the staff to allow otherwise, and students must ALWAYS be accounted for) God was offered to us, not forced upon us by crazed, militant priests. And yes, evolution was taught in biology. Religion classes were actually called... something clappy... but we did a wide range of stuff, not just Anglicanism. (Oh, yes. Right. I was at an Anglican school) Buddhism, morals in general, table etiquette of all things... My little brother did Islam... philosophy... the list continues. Mind you, our teacher was awesome. Hale's setup is, personally, the best setup I've seen. I might be a bit biased here... =D It's like nothing you guys have seen. ... *Shuts up* Now, see, if you are going to teach religious stuff in school, that sounds like the right way to do it. Don't just teach one, teach ALL of them.
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