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 Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:24 pm
I'm studying music at college and heavy rock in general is frowned upon and seen as inferior techniques. Now, I get to listen to jazz, blues.
The lot and I have to say that bass that doesn't produce the rhythm isn't doing its job, all these fancy slap pop, blues scales, its well.
I'll be honest here, I can appreciate it all but I still say its all just s**t, play how YOU want to play and how you perceive bass. my perception is that bass is supposed to produce a hard rhythm behind everything else.
Now I've noticed in my course there are bass players who abuse slap/pop
2 words that destroy Slap bass's entire concept.
Steve Harris.
Iron Maiden's bassist completely dominates, many newer bands fall flat trying to recreate what he achieved, the triple 16th or 8th-16th-16th rhythm sounds so much better than *bow-c***k-bowchink-bow-c***k*
gurgh, bloody hate slap bass.
Its mostly a b***h thread but it does raise the issue, is slap bass all "That", the height of bass playing, some love, some hate it.
Where do YOU stand?
I'd go onto to insult jazz basses but I'd get hung drawn and quartered faster than a premature ejaculation rofl
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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:02 pm
Bass is actually a very melodic instrument. One should keep that in mind. I understand that you just want to stick with the kick and the snair, but there is way more to real music than that. Jazz will really teach you alot. It helped me so much with understanding vamping and composition. That being said, classical theory did nothing for me... I really hate bach chorals now.. alot..
Also, why did you go to school for music if your so strong on the "play how you want to play" bs. You'll never be aloud to do that. You play what they say. Even if you did, if you went and played a maiden song youd be laughed out of the room.
Now to slap pop. No it's not the end all to be all. Slapping and popping doesnt make you a good bassist. If you could go from a 12 bar to a slap thing to a classical thing to a metal thing to a funk thing to a pop thing.. that could make you a good tech. player, but a good bassist knows how to do all that plus how to make it sound good in the pocket. Theory helps that alot.
Go ahead and try to replicate Harris, your not doing anything impressive. Sure Harris is fast but all metal lacks the soul, the pocket and rythm. Sure, gallops are cool the first couple times you hear it, but they get old really quick. Kinda like totinos party pizzas, which is what we eat all the time in my house because both my dad and i chose to go to school for music... lol
but... ******** music. Ive resorted to making noise
"Black metal, heard it a thousand times before. Your music aint evil Joe. I is evil."
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:23 am
Its the fact he gets a galloping rhythm into a song you expect to hear a plain AC/DC esque bassline like alot of metal, I have an obsession with going faster and faster til my lecturers cry. I admit I fail bad at playing slow so I compensate in going fast.
I took the course to learn to play, I got friends in there who enjoy playing heavy rock as much as I do, hell we're doing Judas Priest alongside Beatles and 12 bar blues oriented rock.
We'd do Dragonforce if we had the equipment.
Mainly I'm all for breaking the negative shell on bass playing heavy metal gives, I've heard many songs of different types. I like what I like simple as that and that just doesn't seem to work in the minds of the lecturers, all classically trained musicians.
I'd take a gallop over slap-pop anyday, I'd rather have a song that builds into something epic than a stable song with loads of chord changes.
Rhythm > Melody that's how I see it and that's why I get so cheesed when I see heads shaking at my music.
12 bar is fun when I get it right too! rofl
I got to learn to keep in time and to learn "rhythm" to qualify for the BTEC.
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Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:25 pm
get a drum rhythm book. learn those rhythms...
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:26 pm
The main reason Heavy metal bass isn't looked well upon in bass playing circles is really it is very simple, basic stuff, with all most no soul or feeling at all. Most Metal Bass players just fill a role and nothing else.
That said there are also a good few bass players who bring out some amazing stuff in metal.
Case in point: Baby from Gastunk.
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:41 pm
Flowergirl0 The main reason Heavy metal bass isn't looked well upon in bass playing circles is really it is very simple, basic stuff, with all most no soul or feeling at all. Most Metal Bass players just fill a role and nothing else. That said there are also a good few bass players who bring out some amazing stuff in metal. Case in point: Baby from Gastunk. there's really no soul or feeling in metal anyway...
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:57 am
Although I agree with alot that's been said in the past posts, I don't agree that there's no soul or feeling in metal bass notes. Alot of metal bass is very simple and I will agree that it's those songs/bars that let the style down. I've seen many bands, both professional and amateur, that simply have the bass player playing G over and over again. Dull and without any form of emotion. But, when a bassist is given a bit of free reign, there's alot of soul and emotion. I play almost every style of bass and there's no doubt in my mind that metal bass is a great expression of anger. If you want soul or blues music for it's emotion, then why not recognise the aggression of a good metal riff? As for slapping and popping, I think that it simply has it's place. It's not THE key defining feature of what makes a good bassist. It sounds great and it's helped make a reputation for people (Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Rage Against The Machine, James Brown, etc) but there's places it does and doesn't work. As for Steve Harris and galloping bass, it's the same. When I first started playing bass, I tried to copy Steve but quickly found that galloping bass got a bit dull. There's places and times for each style of playing bass and the music being played has it's individual emotions and qualities, with a few exceptions. I'm just as happy playing slap and pop as I am with a thundering metal line.
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