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I've been trying to track down rulings on triggers simultaneous with objects entering/ leaving play. I haven't been able to find anything in the comp rules or gatherer that helps.

Here's the two secnarios:

1: Soul Warden (Whenever another creature comes into play, you gain 1 life.) + other creatures + Ghostway (Remove each creature you control from the game. Return those creatures to play under their owners' control at end of turn.).

The Warden and the other creatures return to play at the same time. Does the Warden's ability trigger?

2: Hissing Iguanar (Whenever another creature is put into a graveyard from play, you may have Hissing Iguanar deal 1 damage to target player.) + other creatures + Wrath of God (Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.).

Similar deal. The Iguanar and the other creatures leave play at the same time. Does its ability trigger?

Are both situations governed by the same rules or does the fact that the Iguanar is not in play at the time the trigger would go off matter?

If possible I'd like a comp rules cite.

Yes, & Yes. Same Rules (217.1c, 217.1d, & Timestamp Order) Apply to Both Scenarios, in slightly different ways;

MTG Comprehensive Rules 090201-1

"217.1c An object that moves from one zone to another is treated as a new object. Effects connected with its previous location will no longer affect it. There are five exceptions to this rule: (1) Effects from spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities that change the characteristics of an artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker spell on the stack will continue to apply to the permanent that spell creates. (2) Abilities that trigger when an object moves from one zone to another (for example, “When Rancor is put into a graveyard from play”) can find the object in the zone it moved to when the ability triggered. (3) Abilities of Auras that trigger when the enchanted permanent leaves play can find that permanent in the zone it moved to and can also find the Aura in its owner’s graveyard after state-based effects have been checked. (4) Prevention effects that apply to damage from an artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker spell on the stack will continue to apply to damage from the permanent that spell becomes. (5) Permanents that phase out or in “remember” their earlier states. See rule 217.8c."

MTG Comprehensive Rules 090201-1

"217.1d If an object would move from one zone to another, determine what event is moving the object. If the object is moving to a public zone, its owner looks at it to see if it has any abilities that would affect the move. Then any appropriate replacement effects, whether they come from that object or from elsewhere, are applied to that event. If any effects or rules try to do two or more contradictory or mutually exclusive things to a particular object, that object’s controller—or its owner if it has no controller—chooses which effect to apply, and what that effect does. (Note that multiple instances of the same thing may be mutually exclusive; for example, two simultaneous “destroy” effects.) Then the event moves the object."

MTG Comprehensive Rules 090201-1

"Timestamp Order
An object’s timestamp is the time it entered the zone it’s currently in, with three exceptions: (1) If two or more objects enter a zone simultaneously, the active player determines their timestamp order at the time they enter that zone. (2) Whenever an Aura, Equipment, or Fortification becomes attached to an object or player, the Aura, Equipment, or Fortification receives a new timestamp. (3) Permanents that phase in keep the same timestamps they had when they phased out. See rule 418.5e. See also Depend On.
Continuous effects generated by static abilities have the same timestamp as the object that generated them. Continuous effects generated by the resolution of a spell or ability receive a timestamp at the time they’re created."

So, Abilities that trigger when an object moves from one zone to another, can find the object in the zone it moved to when the ability triggered. So Then any appropriate replacement effects, whether they come from that object or from elsewhere, are applied to that event. & In Either Case, If two or more objects enter a zone simultaneously, the active player determines their timestamp order at the time they enter that zone.