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 Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:16 pm
I have read Watchmen like a thousand times, but just to clarify:
The Minutemen were the original Watchmen team. They broke up after the one girl (who's name escapes me) had a homosexual affair, and the first Silk Spectre (Sally) had a child. Yes? No? Opinions?
Now to our main topic: Hooded Justice.
I think Mr. Mason's (the first Nite Owl) opinion on Hooded Justice being the circus performer just. It makes sense. I like Hooded Justice. He never wanted glory or fame or anything. Opinions?
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:53 pm
Hooded justice was the first ever masked vigilante. He had joined the minutemen after seeing the add that Capt. Metropolis had set up to form a fraternity of heros. The members were the 16 year old Comedian, 21 year old Sally Jupiter(AKA Silk Specter) Silhouette, Capt. Metropolis, Nite Owl, Dollar Bill, Mothman, and Hooded justice. The Minutemen started to disintegrate after The comedian's attempted rape of Silk Spectre(Stopped just in time by hooded justice) The comedian quit shortly thereafter. Then, Sally's manager told her not to press charges. Then, there came the murder of Dollar Bill (An advertisement hero) When his cape got caught in the revolving door of the bank he was guarding. The robber shot him close range. Then, Silk Spectre retired during her pregnancy for good. Then, Silhouette was kicked out when the Minutemen found out of her homoseual affair. She and her lover were then killed in 6 weeks. Mothman was admitted to an asylum after cracking. So, then hooded justice went missing after refusing to appear in federal court. (Murdered by the comedian?) Eventually, all that was left was Nite owl and Capt. Metropolis. they both quit. Capt. Metropolis died a few weeks after the failure 'The Crimebusters' in a car accident. So there is a timeline of old costumes.
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:31 am
Xombie 123 Hooded justice was the first ever masked vigilante. He had joined the minutemen after seeing the add that Capt. Metropolis had set up to form a fraternity of heros. The members were the 16 year old Comedian, 21 year old Sally Jupiter(AKA Silk Specter) Silhouette, Capt. Metropolis, Nite Owl, Dollar Bill, Mothman, and Hooded justice. The Minutemen started to disintegrate after The comedian's attempted rape of Silk Spectre(Stopped just in time by hooded justice) The comedian quit shortly thereafter. Then, Sally's manager told her not to press charges. Then, there came the murder of Dollar Bill (An advertisement hero) When his cape got caught in the revolving door of the bank he was guarding. The robber shot him close range. Then, Silk Spectre retired during her pregnancy for good. Then, Silhouette was kicked out when the Minutemen found out of her homoseual affair. She and her lover were then killed in 6 weeks. Mothman was admitted to an asylum after cracking. So, then hooded justice went missing after refusing to appear in federal court. (Murdered by the comedian?) Eventually, all that was left was Nite owl and Capt. Metropolis. they both quit. Capt. Metropolis died a few weeks after the failure 'The Crimebusters' in a car accident. So there is a timeline of old costumes.
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:31 pm
I think Hooded Justice could have been my favorite character had they provided more information on him although the noose around his neck was creepy. I feel sorry for Dollar Bill and The Silhouette. Dollar Bill didn't deserve to die just because of the bank's costume, and The Silhouette didn't deserve to be hated for being a lesbian.
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:31 pm
Let's be honest, all of the characters are unfortunate; even the survivors. Even Silk Spectre, who survives the events of Watchmen, is unfortunate in her own way; she's misunderstood (until the very end) by her daughter, and her love for Edward Blake is doomed from the start - he cannot love her in a normal way, save for one brief moment between them. It's Mothman I feel most sympathetic to, I think. He survives beyond most of them, and the stress of outliving his friends and being submitted to the ruthless trial during the 50s breaks him. During the flashback showing the meeting of the remaining Minutemen, he symbolises the toll that the hero lifestyle can have on a person. I dunno, I just feel sorry for the guy. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:51 pm
I can go into more details with moth man. Moth man was working in the government's peace branch and the stress of the job and heroism is what sent him to the bottle. his stress weakened his psyche and he cracked. Dollar bill was described by Hollis as "a great man, real nice." He was a star college athlete and the Bank's costume was designed for publicity.
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:56 am
Just like wars, I suppose masked adventurers go in and out of fashion. What struck me as a strong theme running through the novel, are all the references to nazi ideology. I know Moore had an aversion to Thatcher and Reagan and this was his protest to it, that was he implying we (in the 1980's) were being controlled in a similar fashion as what Hitler implemented? Was Moore's an extreme point of view? V for Vendetta also explored his solution in a naziesque world such as that in 'V'.
It explored (my opinion), how they define their 'freedom'? Is it as rock solid as you think? What must you go through to find out? How do you know you are truly free? Could our apathy and or choice to remain ignorant allow men to do evil things on our behalf, as long as we are comfortable?
I can see why DC wouldn't let Moore near any of its stable, and left him in his own universe. And it became so much the better for it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:31 pm
true.....the message that Moore is sending is simple...freedom isn't free.....same thing with the video gam 'Mirror's Edge'
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:14 am
Xombie 123 true.....the message that Moore is sending is simple...freedom isn't free.....same thing with the video gam 'Mirror's Edge' Hey Zombie. Been thinking bout what you wrote. And you are right, there is a cost to freedom, and many be Moore was asking the question.....what is Freedom. Moore gives us the macrocosm, the only focus on those masked. And the Nixon melonfarmer. He gives us the world (not dissimilar to 1985, and the underlying cold war and its ramifications) Remember, you got four years before the tearing down of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of Euro Communism. Strange days indeed. I havent played Mirrors Edge, so I may need you to explain its story to bring me up to speed. In 'V' for Vendetta, Moore takes a side-step and gives you the answer. But that is probably for another thread. Noone is free in the Watchmen Universe. Noone is free here either. And we still find we need heroes to handball our responsibilities too.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:55 am
Horace Burtons Ghost Xombie 123 Noone is free in the Watchmen Universe. Noone is free here either. And we still find we need heroes to handball our responsibilities too. This really resounded in my mind. I mean, Doctor Manhattan himself says so; they're all puppets to their individual fates and circumstances, but he's a puppet who can see the strings. That's not to say that he can defy what fate has set out for him, just that he gets pre-warning of what is to come whenever there aren't blocks in his future (damn you, Adrian!) As such, though the actions of each individual seem - to them - to be determined by their own free will, they are in actual fact physically unable to make the alternative choice; Rorschach, for all his stubbornness and the absolutist views to which he meassures society, could not have remained silent about Veidt's actions because he was physically and mentally inequipped to do so.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:27 pm
GuruLazer Horace Burtons Ghost Xombie 123 Noone is free in the Watchmen Universe. Noone is free here either. And we still find we need heroes to handball our responsibilities too. This really resounded in my mind. I mean, Doctor Manhattan himself says so; they're all puppets to their individual fates and circumstances, but he's a puppet who can see the strings. That's not to say that he can defy what fate has set out for him, just that he gets pre-warning of what is to come whenever there aren't blocks in his future (damn you, Adrian!) As such, though the actions of each individual seem - to them - to be determined by their own free will, they are in actual fact physically unable to make the alternative choice; Rorschach, for all his stubbornness and the absolutist views to which he meassures society, could not have remained silent about Veidt's actions because he was physically and mentally inequipped to do so. No, he could not be silent about the killing of masks. He was one of them. But, he had no idea that Veidt was behind it. It seems odd that after 8 years after the law was passed, that someone decides to begin 'taking out' masks? Maybe Rorschach always kept a journal. But I think not. Because of his ostracisim as a child, and his self imposed 'identity', one not even Dan knew, it would be unlikely he would want to pen such painful memories. But, as this could be considered 'newsworthy'. That the decision to make heroes 'illegal' was in fact a political one. Nixon didn't need anyone else other than Manhattan. Too many heroes (too many threats to the public), is a dangerous path. Thats how Rorschach so easily became villian. One big arse stick (Manhattan or a Nuclear arsenal bigger than your enemies) is all thats needed. To require vigilantes sends out the clear message the government isn't in control. Adrian assisted to give them back their control, and unwittingly ******** up his own world with his arrogance. Free Will in this case was a pre-emptive strike. Mutually Assured Destruction. That, Moore would argue, is not heroic. Do you think Manhattan knew he was going off to play God from the beginning? Or was it something he had to come to realise through th passage of time. He may have seen time simultaneously (except for those pesky tachyons), but unless you have a context to put them in (eg history can be interpreted from both sides), it is just unformation.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:51 pm
The book shows that not 100% of us i good...you can bee a nic person but have violent fantasies...it is in essence the dark side of the hero.
And in mirror's edge the world is completely monitored. nothing is discreet.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:15 pm
Nathanderdethdealer The book shows that not 100% of us i good...you can bee a nic person but have violent fantasies...it is in essence the dark side of the hero. And in mirror's edge the world is completely monitored. nothing is discreet. the book , I believe is more a message that we should infact dismantle the hero myth, as it no longer serves the greater good. The point of vigiantism is at the point where violent fantasies in fact cross-over from fantasy to reality. And if we all were to do it, chaos would ensue. Hooded Justice, according to 'under the hood' could be suggested was the first. To decide to be masked, to commit what 'you' feel is justice, is having an arrogance that you are 'morally' superior than those that govern. As with HJ, the rest all begin smalltime as well, cleaning up their own neighbourhoods. Filled with the elation of public approval, the question is well how far can they go? Did HJ leave, feeling his actions created a monster, one too arrogant to be controlled? That the responsibility masked avengers felt they now had to uphold, left the rest of society apathetic and impotent. Doing good, was the by-product of the hero. Because, when our heroes fail us, as they do in the book, and in reality, we are left in a mess so hard to get out of. Moore was reacting to a time when the most powerful leaders in the world (Reagan and Thatcher) were certainly not always appearing to be so altruistic in their decisions. And at the time, I am sure people were looking back nostalgically, thinking those were 'better'. Looking back at the 80's, I don't remember many fond things (politically or socially) going on. And as things globally are pretty crappy for so many, no wonder 'nostalgia' is so big again.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:15 pm
HJ is one of my absolute favorites. I love that there are so many things for certain that we don't know about his character. For every question raised, there are multiple, equally likely answers.
Plus, HJ/Nelly is one of my favorite 'ships of all time. Guh. heart
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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:31 pm
He's a retarded,gay,wasted,sob
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