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 Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:15 pm
Well, not really.
I'm pretty sure no one's picketting DC over this one at the moment, but in my life there's been a particular issue that's come up significantly time and time again.
Age...how old you have to be to do certain things, age differences between people, and discrimination based on age.
I realize that most issues regarding this are resolved as soon as you hit 21...unless you want to be the president or are looking to be the world's oldest one-armed parasailor. But I'm just curious...
A few points I'd like to hear your opinions on...some are pretty obvious...
~ Driving age...where is it where you live, and laws regarding it.
~ 'Adulthood'
~ Drinking Age...wait, you can die for the ol' US of A at 18, but you can't have a beer for three more years!? The hell...?
And some more specific issues I'm interested in...
~ Age of consent...wait, I can screw someone older in like Alabama, but not the same person in New York for another year? Last time I checked, my ability to consent doesn't rely on fictional lines on the ground...could just be me, though.
~ Age differences...I'm led to this after the last question. What's your limit, older and younger, for age differences in relationships? Also, why do you think the same difference becomes more 'acceptable' the older both people are?
Meh, just some stuff that's been kicking around in my head these days.
Enough crap...go!
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:02 pm
Well...
This probably isn't the answer you were particularly looking for, but:
I think they stem from predetermined social taboo. An important weakness and programmed mindset to make people feel like they (if they're young), or that their children (if they're old), are inadequate and unqualified to make their decisions. Maturity isn't set by character and personality and values, it's set by time.
Think about it. It really makes no sense. Like you said 18 to go die for your country, but not to drink?? You can't die in a car accident, but you can die by some enemy's hands, you really don't even know why you REALLY have to fight these people, your commanding officer just says so.
I'd ******** fail so bad in the military. And get the s**t beat outa me, like every day. Lol 
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:57 am
Driving age: 16. But they need to have more in depth and stricter protocol.
There should be no set age for adulthood considering it's a maturity and i know plenty of "adults" that can act worse than a child.
Drinking age should remain 21. Will that ever be followed? No.
I see it as a good thing to be there so you feel that remorse. It's not good to drink and the longer you can have kids be "scared" or conscious about drinking the better. Technically you're body should develop first before you start messing it up or you may not grow up right. A person will always in the end choose for themselves if they are going to do it or not and just having a guideline could help reduce kids getting hooked before they know any better. What would any kid do if people were just like WHY SURE GO AHEAD GET DRUNK IT'S FUN~
Alcoholism would be through the roof. Again like I said it's psychological medicine.
Age of consent should just stay at 16, and the full blown parent free choice should be at 18. I like it where it is, no younger, no older.
Age difference totally depends on what stage in life you are in and the other person's stage. Once you hit the teens that's where you either have to be in them too or it's a no go.
I am 21 just about and if I look at a 16-17 year old.... for shame, for shame. = _= But now if I was 30 and I look at a 25 year old, hell yeah!
The main focus it that fact that a relationship always ends with the sexual end of things. If you are going to be with a matured person you're body must be matured as well. If you are matured and you go for someone that isn't developed than that's just robbing the cradle...
My parents for instance are 11 years apart, and because they are older it's alright. They both are fully developed and really after about 27-30 age doesn't mean a thing if they are also over that hill.
Fyi while in the teen years, 4 years apart is the limit. Once you hit 5 year's difference then you have gone too far. (think about a 12 year old even dating a 16 year old. It's awkward even though they are both aren't legal.)
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:01 pm
@Viral - Actually, I'd say I agree with you on that one...maturity by reality's standards and 'maturity' by society's standards are two different things. Pisses me off a bit, to be honest.
And no worries, I wouldn't last a day in the military either...for several reasons xD oh god, that would be bad.
@ Sirris - Wow, wall-o-text .__. I didn't expect to get legitimate responses...
Not that I'm complaining. Hokay...
Well, driving age is pretty much set where it is and everyone's fine and dandy about it. Any younger would be stupid, any older would be ridiculous. Moving on.
True...it's all relative, which is why I hate that laws try and set one standard for such an individual thing. It doesn't work that way...when you hit 18, suddenly a switch in your brain is not flipped that enlightens you to 'adulthood'. Some people 'get it' before then...and some never do.
My friend Frauke is a foreign exchange student from Germany...the drinking age there is 16, but her friends don't go off and get shitfaced every weekend. In some European countries, it's even lower. I think our problem is the whole 'tell people not to, and they'll want to even more' factor. If it's off limits, it's somehow more appealing. That's also why they don't have the same problems with 'underage' drinking as we do - their parents have been giving them a glass of wine at dinner since they were 13, so it's not like it's a big deal that suddenly they can have alcohol.
The age of consent is 17 in New York...older, in some places, and younger in others. I mean, if they're going to regulate something, it might as well be a uniform regulationg. The same two people in one state could cross an imaginary line on the ground and suddenly not be allowed to have sex. Umm...what?
Yeah...the late teens, early 20s are those weird gray years where you wind up with friends still in highschool, friends off in college, living totally different lives when just three months ago they were stuck in the same building five days a week. It's kindof a lousy deal if you ask me, but what can you do...
Thing is, a lot of girls in highschool look older these days, as if they could be in college. And then with the maturity thing, it all depends on the individual.
I'd say the cutoff is about 4 years, too...I don't think I'd date anyone over 20 right now, that would just be awkward. My mother has also brought up the whole 12 vs 16 thing, but to me that doesn't seem relevant. The maturity gap between a 12 year old and and a 16 year old is way bigger than that between a 16 and a 20 year old...especially considering that guys tend to 'grow up' a little later than girls do. (As a generality, anyway...no offense, guys.)
Eh, I'm done for now. I could rant about this for days.
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:43 pm
In Florida...
Driving age: 16, but you have to have at least one year on a restricted drivers license first a learners permit pretty much at least until your 18 I think. Then you can just walk into the DMV and take the drivers test right there and get your license. I'm pretty satisfied with this setup, there has been some talk of moving the age to drive up to 18 but I don't think it'll pass.
Adulthood: Your legally considered an adult at 18, kinda weird considering the drinking age is 21. xD
I'm kind of indeffernt to what the state says that you go from being a kid to and adult, since I know plenty of adults who are childlike and plenty of people my age that are way more responsible and respectful people than allot of adults.
Drinking age: 21 is good. Although I think they are kind of bending this though in colleges now because of drinking. I guese their logic is if your allowed to drink in the college and keep a handle on yourself your less likely to just drink yourself into oblivion at a party because you feel left out or something because everyone else is drinking. I don't know, but I don't really care. I don't plan on doing that much drinking, I hate the taste of alcohol. xP
Its kinda weird how people are with these things. Put an ordinary cardboard box on a table and say nothing, and no ones interested. Tell them not to open it and it kills them inside not knowing whats in it. I guese the logic is if its worth restricting to a certain age or keeping people away it must be good right?
Age of consent: 18 in Florida to have sex, buy porn, and go to strip clubs and night clubs, then light up a cigarette when your done. Sex between to minors even if consented by both is still considered statutory rape and both go down as sex offenders. Things like sending saucy pics of yourself to your boy/girl still considered kiddie porn until your 18. I'm okay with this considering its not really enforced unless the kids parents find out and if they do they probably don't care.
When under age of consent four years is the legal limit for two people to date. After 18 it doesn't matter as long as both of you are at least 18. Again I'm okay with this since I think its kinda weird for an 18 year old to be dating anyone more than 2 years younger then themselves. After that i don't really care you can date who you want.
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:32 am
What has history shown us? That prohibiting (by government law) things make people do them more often then not. And these ridiculous numbers that they wave in our faces, telling us that laws work, and prevent "bad things" from happening, are only based on a bias of people who care to submit their "data" to the proper authorities. Basically, it's like asking a non-homosexual if gay marriage should be legal or not. ******** ridiculous and irrelevant. If we actually followed the historical "data" that we have, we should really legalize everything, completely. Because at that point it would be controlled more than ever, by the right people. And damn more likely to prevent stupid and idiotic situations that people find themselves in, BECAUSE it's illegal in the first place. No one took ANYTHING from the prohibition period? If that wasn't a perfect (and more obvious) example, then I don't even know what it is we are trying to exemplify.
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:53 pm
Applause for Viral ._.
I'm seriously leaning towards the anarchist's opinion on politics these days - namely, ******** 'em. Ran across a site that has pdf files of a lot of counterculture zines and the like, it's really interesting stuff. But I don't have the time to get into all that right now...
I disappeareded for a bit there. I'll try and check in more often...
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:36 pm
I think anarchy is just as bad or even worse than having pretty much any other type of government IE. communism, capitalism, republic, democracy. Even if the government sucks at least its sucking in an orderly and civilized way. :/
If everyone in America was free to do what they want with no laws or rules people would go apeshit. Nothing would get done and things like schools, roads, banks, everything that puts us above monkeys and other animals would crumble like toast under your feet.
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:18 am
Driving Age: 16/17 for Permit, 18 for License.
Should stay the same. I would rather see a cap of sorts that cuts of drivers at a certain age. ******** elderly are kamekaze pilots.
As for kids whining that they don't get their Licenses early enough, ok. Sure, you can drive, and I'm sure as hell confident that you'll like what gas does to your bank account and wallet. The freedoms of the road are endless, yes?
Adulthood: I have no problem with the 'limitations' instilled by the government in this topic. But this may be because I love seeing kids b***h and moan, claiming themselves properly mature but whining in a way that degrades them down to the level of a 5 year old. I like seeing hypocrisy, damn children.
Drinking Age: Whether or not you (and many others) don't like the idea of 'be able to die for your country but not enjoy a cold one?!', the drinking age has a use (albeit flimsy at best). If a kid wants to drink, they're going to find a way to drink. That's their choice. As well as is military enrollment. As for the majority, though, they'll at least use the 21 mark as a sort of goal or progress point that dictates their actions in limited instances. These limited instances can lead to life or death decisions. So I think the drinking age should remain. Then again, I don't drink, and only got drunk once to force myself to hate it. It worked. I also hate people who have my phone number and drink excessively, makes my social life much...harder...to deal with *neck crack*.
Age of consent:...really? You worry about this? Come on, if a law is stopping you from wanting to get in someone's pants, s**t ********, don't even bother. You have no attatchment to this person then.
I'm not even going to touch on this further. Yes the current age mark should stay.
Age differences: I personally have a thing against all guys around my age trying to bang girls 17 and lower. I kind of have a thing against guys trying to bang 18 year olds. I kind of have a thing against everyone around my age group, because they still have not proven to me that they have the maturity level to comprehend what they're doing. If a restroom at my college is as dirty as it is, then I even fail to believe they understand what bodily waste is and how it should be handled.
Anyways.
Again, really? You're asking why it's different as you get older? Because the older people get the more broad their views become, and their experiences. At a certain point, it doesn't matter if it's 1 year, 2 years or 10 years, but as long as each individual of the relationship has matured beyond the stupidity of a child and knows the hoops, then it's fine. And no, I don't approve of your age group dating guys 19 and up.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:59 am
Driving Age: 16 for the written test. (G1) You can drive but need an adult in the car. Then if you take the course you can take the actual drivers test 8 months after. (G2) You can drive without an adult but your still limited on some things. If you dont take the course its a year. Then you have to wait another year to get your full licence (G) and then your free to go. Oh and if you dont have your G after 5 years of having your G2 I think you have to take the drivers test again. THEN before you even get a car insurence kills you. Boys pay higher though which works in my favor but is totally sexist.
Adulthood: 18.. nothing special.
Drinking Age: 19. I'm really not into getting drunk. And next weekend is my 19th birthday and all my friends are so excited to take me out to the bars. It's more of a "omgshh your legal now!" thing then a "yay I can get drunk and no one cares!"
Age Differences: I hate when guys out of highschool are dating highschool girls... it just seems wrong. There is this guy at my work though who is 26 and im almost 19 and he keeps asking me out. and I'm thinking to myself "is this right?" "what will my friends think?" cuz I've alwas been the girl to say "omg, hes 26 and she's only 18!!!" but... it's the maturity of the person and not their age. So if a 17 year old wants to date a 25 year old.. What the Hell. it's their decision.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:18 am
I live in Michigan, and you can acquire a driving permit here when you are 14 and 9 months old. Kind of a funny number, but with the automotive industry around, people start young here. You have to be 16 to get your actual license. I think the laws here are fair enough (though when I think of 14-year-olds on the road, I do shiver a bit). We don't really have mass transit (b/c of the auto industries wanting us to all buy cars), so driving is pretty essential.
Adulthood is 18.
Drinking age is 21. I don't drink, but I still find this ridiculous. Old enough to die in war or get married, but not old enough to enjoy a glass of champagne?
Age of consent is 16. I don't have an issue with this particular number, but I do have an issue with the disparities between this an some medical laws. I'd rather not get into that though.
Age Difference: No limit. My sister started dating a 27-year-old when she was 20, and I've seen that things can work out just fine. It depends on the individuals, not some arbitrary numbers. I probably wouldn't date anyone significantly younger than me though. I'm 19, and I'm thinking that high school boys are out, but that's based mainly on a generalization of how high school boys act. smile
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:06 pm
I'm 19 today... and I could be at the bars right now getting drunk... but I am at home getting ready for my early day tomorrow because im responsible.. and will not have a killer hang over tomorrow... smile
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:15 pm
So, funny story.
I was dating a chick who was almost 3 years younger than me when I turned 18, so I did a bunch of research on age of consent. When it comes to sex, that doesn't matter a pinch. turns out, despite popular belief (and I got this from a lawyer's assistant) is that technically, any two minors (people under 18, as defined by conventional law) engaged in any sexual activity (ranging from a kiss on the cheek and even a hug to full on rampant sexcapades) are legally raping each other.
Now, the loopholes are that who the ******** is going to prosecute two teens boning when its pretty obvious that the majority of highschoolers are getting it on anyway.
The next thing is the idea that if one party is 17, they have a 3-year age range that makes it legal.
Also false.
I learned this the hard way. Just trust me. It is very illegal for someone who turned eighteen yesterday to screw someone who turns eighteen tomorrow. I have the police report to prove it.
Also! Hi!
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 4:52 pm
God damn, I forgot about this thread ._.
Vice - I give up. You: 987453, Me: 0. I'll talk to you in my mid 20's when I'm not an imbicile.
Paradox - Hi! And yeah...that sounds like a bit of a mess D:
Everyone else - I'm rarely here anymore, and I feel just a bit out of place when I am. So I'll probably lurk, but as I said, I give up.
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