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 Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:07 pm
See, I'm 14 and I get accused for the stupidest of things. Being disrespectful, swearing, and all that stuff teenagers get in trouble for these days. Not that I do anything really bad, like smoking or drugs. I skip class and stab people with pens ^^ No joke.
Well, it's funny, if you really think about it. Adults blame us for all this, but they have no room, whatsoever, to talk.
Compared to them, our flaws are tiny.
What have they done? In the past 100 or so years? They've improved technology and all that stuff. Yeah? Well, they've also brought cancer, smoking, drinking, Global Warming.
We, as human beings however, always find the need to fight, love, and want. All of this, it makes us human, which is, most of the time, a bad thing.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:03 am
yeah, we get in trouble for tiny things, but if we arent accused and showed our wrongs, we end up doing bigger and bigger wrongs in the future.
maybe one of your wrongs may end up knocking a chick up?
maybe one of your wrongs will be stealing? getting kicked out of school?
who knows?
our parents yell at us for all of our small things to help us think about our actions in the future.
THINK before you skip a class..what can happen?
THINK before you have sex with someone...what can happen?
THINK, THINK, THINK!
yeah, getting in troulbe for things sucks a**
but it does a lot of good in the long run.
maybe we will think before we light a cig.
maybe we will think before we take a swig of Jack Daniels
maybe we will think about a better way to recycle
maybe we will think or the right solution to cure cancer.
you have to remember, drinking has gone back a long ways, its not just our parents, or their parents, or our great great great great great parents idea, it goes back thousands of years ago...and diseases have been around longer than that, so we cant really blaim the past few generations, just a power older than us and a few guys who wanted to forget life for a while and numb their feelings.
and being human isnt bad all the time!
if we werent humans, we wouldnt be smart enough to:
create
reproduce properly
think
love
feel
want
hate
crave
communicate
connect
and everything else humans have over other animals/things
yeah, animals can do some of what we can do, but can a hippo type? can a polar bear create a computer? can a money tell you how f=1/T? or solve a trigonomitry problem?
I sure hope not, because that would end me forever
being human makes us superior, above all other animals created because we were ment to interact, and we were given choice, deciding wether that was a good idea upon the higher powers thoughts, who knows
but being like this has helped us create:
universal communication
sciences
maths
languages
the power to learn
the want to understand
entertainment
and yeah, we had our bad moments of creation from our own mind:
drugs
alchol
methods of war
global warming
words with bad meanings
but out of this, it makes us individuals
war was a means of protection
alchol lets us be who we really are, the one we lock away inside of ourselves, and to get away from our problems so we can deal with them another day
drugs were made for those who may hate life, but are scared of death, who want to suffer while they live because they figure living is better than dying.
global warming, people just hate their earth, the figure we are all gonna die, so why not take earth with us when we go
and our words, words are what keep us connected, they go everywhere with us, and they mean a lot when used wrongly because you can really hurt someone
so yeah, we are human, but all of this makes us who we are. you cant blaim the past for the present, but you can change the future by being a change in the present.
one life can make a difference
and one difference can alter a life
be the difference
be the change
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:44 pm
You both, as I can easily tell, are very, very intelligent. And I appreciate that. People are intelligent. But we all have our stages.
See, teenagers are biologically a bit unstable. But everyone at every age is equal. Adolescents are under a lot of pressure. We go through sexual changes, first of all, we start to reach out into the community, which could be very intimidating, we are making new acquaintances, some of which can change our lives. Teens are fast approaching the time of moving out of the house, becoming an adult, and making big decisions. Since teens at this special time have the logic to listen, and since we're moving on with our lives, our parents want to give us as much help as possible while they still can. One of the problems is that it happens so much, we become defensive and start to block it out. The best thing to do is to listen to and reflect the advice we get. The problem with parents, though, is that they are coming out of their comfort zone when we are making decisions for ourselves, and they become paranoid. That's why they can seem so defensive of our decisions.
Try to get your parents to trust you, and you have to trust them, too. I think that's the best thing to do.
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:21 pm
^-^ huzzah, intellegence!
thats true too Jerba. There is a lot of peer pressure starting in Jr. High and it build up substantually as we get older and reach High School. I cant even star telling you how much pressure I got starting in Highschool, and it dosent get any easier now in my 3rd year of High school...
I think our parents also see us as themselves as a teen in many ways. As smart but so nieve and happy but sad because we are literally being stripped of our childhood years and forced into a more adult and responcible and responcive world.
For us who are still young its hard to understand how we might do some things..like Im still figuring out socity myself. [[thats a different topic though]]
but being a kid means making mistakes, and learning from them. As we get older we want more freedom and we will have to trust our parents and show them we are capibal of being trusted. [[unless your me and your parents basically have nothing to do with your life because they f****n suck a*s]]
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:17 pm
If you get accused of something, your more then likely doing it. Most of the time. Some parents don't have a right to accuse, but the majority of teenagers do these things. So, unless you prove to them other wise they will accuse you of things.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:29 pm
"The error of youth is to believe that intelligence is a substitute for experience, while the error of age is to believe experience is a substitute for intelligence."
— Lyman Bryson
As someone whose teenage years essentially went by without hitch, I'm not sure how much I can say, lacking experience and hoping to compensate by making stuff up. Here's how I view the "teenagers get yelled at" situation:
The fundamental difference between teenagers screwing up and adults screwing up is that teenagers have a lot less power and a lot less responsibility, so their screw-ups aren't as bad on an absolute scale. This doesn't mean that we should just let teenage screw-ups go, because if there's one thing that teenagers are good at, it's learning through behavioral reinforcement: if we let a teenager screw up a lot without consequence, he becomes an adult that thinks he is allowed to screw up a lot, and an adult who screws up a lot is a very bad thing.
Younger children screw up a lot too, but they have even less power and less responsibility than teenagers. Furthermore, they willingly take their corrections (most of the time) because they don't have any half-baked notions of independence or self-sufficiency and thus don't resent the power structure.
Basically, the idea is not to resent your parents when they try to correct you because they are probably just trying to make sure that you don't cause another major disaster (for yourself or for other people) when you reach adulthood.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:31 pm
Mrs Gey
Compared to them, our flaws are tiny.
Actually, I think we all have almost equal flaws. Well, I'm not saying everybody is like that, but adults in general are just about as flawed as teens in general.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 6:34 pm
Layra-chan "The error of youth is to believe that intelligence is a substitute for experience, while the error of age is to believe experience is a substitute for intelligence." — Lyman Bryson As someone whose teenage years essentially went by without hitch, I'm not sure how much I can say, lacking experience and hoping to compensate by making stuff up. Here's how I view the "teenagers get yelled at" situation: The fundamental difference between teenagers screwing up and adults screwing up is that teenagers have a lot less power and a lot less responsibility, so their screw-ups aren't as bad on an absolute scale. This doesn't mean that we should just let teenage screw-ups go, because if there's one thing that teenagers are good at, it's learning through behavioral reinforcement: if we let a teenager screw up a lot without consequence, he becomes an adult that thinks he is allowed to screw up a lot, and an adult who screws up a lot is a very bad thing. Younger children screw up a lot too, but they have even less power and less responsibility than teenagers. Furthermore, they willingly take their corrections (most of the time) because they don't have any half-baked notions of independence or self-sufficiency and thus don't resent the power structure. Basically, the idea is not to resent your parents when they try to correct you because they are probably just trying to make sure that you don't cause another major disaster (for yourself or for other people) when you reach adulthood. Your insightfulness is abundant.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:58 pm
Parent expect us to follow them and be good little ducks ^^
When we rebel they think they failed.
Some parents yell at or some may hit you.
None of those will help. in the end we will keep on rebelling.
Respect should be received and given from both parties.
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 8:08 pm
Trust me, they're being authoritative for a reason, even though it seems authoritarian (and may be). Smart people learn from their mistakes, but the wise learn from the mistakes of others.
Let's take myself as an example: I had a drinking problem a while back. It cost me my relationship and screwed up my life. But lucky for me, I have a good BF who stuck by me through it. I recently learned (I'm in health sciences) that the children of alcoholics (not one, BTW) are at far greater risk than their parents were of becoming alcoholics themselves. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her to go through that same hell. I was unimaginably lucky, but she might not have that same luck. The greater fear is that if she ignores me when I tell her to clean her room, she might also ignore me when I tell her that smoking will kill her, or that drinking will destroy her life, too. But if I tell her that I was an alcoholic, she might lose respect for me or say "well, if mom can do it, why can't I?". Well, it nearly killed mommy and destroyed her life. It's the classic slippery-slope argument, but it's still a valid one. My advice? Obey them when what they're saying is rational.
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 5:33 am
 @the OP -- Well, depending on your parents, you're probably actually doing these things. Because we've all been brainwashed, being "nice" and "proper" tend to end up leading you to not being yourself around some people. Really, I kind of feel as if all of this "training" isn't getting me anywhere. Being respectful tends to come with time, like if you were to piss me off I probably wouldn't act as if you're my "equal," because I'd either a.) criticize you and your actions all the time (to your face of course) or b.) ignore you like you were some scum. But, this is because when people piss me off I have to find some means of hating them for a while without punching them. This is how I overcome my "primitive" actions and stay "civilized." Although, I'd much prefer the "primitive" life over the "civilized life."
Being human is not horrible nor is it bad. I don't know that I could say that it's amazing but as Subjekkt said, there are some things that make being human great. Our capabilities to communicate with each other and make all of these luxuries for ourselves is quite nice, but we're kind of... a greater of the evils if you will. I kind of feel as if all of the humans are teaching each other to just harm the world. Maybe indirectly, but all of the things we do today has some negative effect on the environment. We may not be the biggest race but we sure take up the most room... I could go on and on but I really don't want to. Basically, being a human isn't a bad thing, it's just using our abilities in the wrong sort of way that is. And, sadly, most humans (including myself) don't deserve this beautiful world we live in and on.
Also, all of the adults were kids once too. We learn by what we see, you know. Horrible stuff has been happening for longer than 100 years. Also, global warming takes longer than this to happen. Sometimes it skips cycles, or so I've heard, and other times it's predictable but since when has the earth really been predictable? People have had diseases and bad habits for longer than 100 years as well, darlin'. I'm almost sure that the only reason for diseases was overpopulation of the areas in which people live. Well, a lot of disease, that is.
I believe this because if you've ever taken World History and Biology at the same time then you come to find some things. When an area is heavily populated, there's nowhere for its waste to go because there's no room for it. That's why it sickens me how my drainage ditches are basically sewers outside. Now, who really wants that much fickle matter in the air and in their environment? Okay, well humans' poo running about streams in the natural state is kind of ironic, but it's becoming far from natural now... Anyway, there becomes a build up of all sorts of things. Basically, whatever bacterium was in your poo is released into the air and back into your body. This time it's going directly into your blood because you breathed it in. Because of this, your body's got some germy thing... woo! But, a lot more of them surface. We're some of the most disgusting creatures. You know, we kind of seem to think as a race that the native americans were disgusting for how they lived. You know, in the dirt in their little huts and pooping everywhere, but they didn't actually poop everywhere. They used their instincts of which we don't have anymore because we're above being primitive apparently, and their instincts told them to bury their poo. You know... this was very smart for other reasons. Although we can't go back and ask them why they did it all, we can hope they knew it was better for their own environment as well...
Also, what else happens? The gene pool is going to start to deteriorate. Why? Well, there are a number of reasons but I'm going to go ahead and chalk it up to natural selection; the strongest ones are gonna live. Basically, there can be new bacterium that enter your little ecosystem. Either a.) you've been exposed before and you don't have to worry, b.) you haven't been exposed to it but your immune system is strong enough to fight it off and you're now immune, or c.) you've never been exposed to it, you get it, and your chances of living are slim... This is where vaccines come in for humans. This is a point we get for being intelligent. Although, this kind of ******** up Natural Selection and makes it controlled in a way... Because, now we've got more people immune to the virus which makes the virus mutate. This means that the virus's little ineffective cells die off (natural selection) and the strong ones (natural selection) are still there. They then transport themselves to other people when you sneeze or kiss or do something to transmit bodily fluids, and are now stronger. They infect people around you. You have to remember that this strain is now full of all of the bacteria that didn't die off because it was stronger than your immune system. Eventually, all that's going to be left is the strongest bacteria and when it starts to get defeated it will genetically mutate and live on. The more vaccines we make, the more resistant to them the bacteria will become.
And, eventually we'll be screwed medically. I doubt we can try and outbeat nature. And if we accomplish it, I feel that we'll die out soon after.
This ... I'm going to have to come back and add on or edit this later. I have to go. Urgh.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:43 pm
Hmm...
Good argument. I guess that as you age, your ego expands as well as your waistline. Personally, I think it might be guilt. As you say, the past generations have royally screwed us over, with global warming and global dictators. They take the easy way out and lay the blame upon us; the younger ones who are unable to have a say because we aren't allowed to. Or so they'd LIKE to think. Now, with all these international youth groups and the like, young people are starting to take a stand and speak out against this nonsense. I was really lucky to attend a ministry forum (set up by the ACTUAL ministery...Government stuff. I felt so hounoured) with alot of other gifted teens who knew that change was needed in not just the education system, but the world as well. One step at a time, but I think we're going somewhere in the right direction.
Another possibility; they may honestly think we suck. Why, I don't know. Human beings are programed to see negative things more often than positive. This is strange, considering we love to feel good, but it has been proven. For example, because of religious extremists, all people of certain faiths are viewed with suspisions. The same goes for us; sadly, there is a minority of teens/young people who have a lust for corruption. Because of them, the rest of us get a bad rep. It's not fair, but neither is life. The best we can do is do the best we can do and show them once and for all that it is ONLY a minority. We're a pretty good bunch.
Something they should take into consideration; they should be treating us better...because in the next few years, who's going to be handling their retirement money? Oh, karma...I love you. xd
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:21 am
Jerba2 Mrs Gey
Compared to them, our flaws are tiny.
Actually, I think we all have almost equal flaws. Well, I'm not saying everybody is like that, but adults in general are just about as flawed as teens in general. Agreed, though my views on human flaws is a bit biased I suppose.
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:12 am
hi.. I'm 40 yrs old, and just spent the last three years living with my mother. It was quite a reminder of what it was like to essentially be an adult ( which I think teens are, despite the current legal definition. 150 years ago, you would have been married, in your own homes and having kids if you were female, or working towards learning a craft or running a farm if you were a boy, by age 14. ) at the mercy of an authority figure. All I can say, is that the issues I had with her as a teen, I still have. I can only hope that I do better with my son, who is 12.
It is a double edged sword, because I can see how she thought she was acting in my best interests. Unfortunately, her hypocrisy undermined her intentions. I try to forgive her, because at least I made the decisions I did with full warning. I made some bad ones, and some were right for me, even when she felt that when she made the same choice in her youth, that it was a mistake for her. Sometimes, I think she is jealous because I made decisions she wishes she had. We are all different people.
When I saw her interact with her parents, who she left at 18 and moved as far away as she could get, they were so awful..... well I'm grateful that I wasn't raised around them, or in the same way she was. The best we can do, is not to repeat the mistakes of our parents. Sometimes, doing the opposite thing isn't the best option either, but you have to try.
I know this doesn't really help you in your situation, and I will say, that adults can be jerks and messed up and stupid, no matter what age. I didn't figure that out until my late 20's, when I first got into some chat rooms where there were older people... and they weren't any more together or mature than I was at 16. Don't let anyone tell you that being an adult means that you have all the answers.
My best advice is whatever you do that they don't like, be discrete and don't rub their faces in it. It sucks, but it's a skill you'll need to keep a job anyways. You'll be able to move out, it's just a matter of time, and then you can do what you want. Personally, I'm self employed because I don't like kissing up... but then there is "customer service".. so.. Life has it's compromises.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:18 pm
Skipping class is by far the worst of the 'bads' you've mentioned insofar, and the only one that's truly immoral as well as self-decadent behavior in the sense the it restricts one from the one thing that will truly widen the naturally focused mindset of the masses; education. Though they may not go about it in what is even an effort to achieve perfection today, it's still the next best thing to innate curiosity, and those who neglect it (and don't have the own personal drive to find a method by which to examine life and a field of expertise) are societies laughing stock. AKA those who play the parts of, and therefore embody, the 'rednecks', 'gangbangers', 'druggies', etc.. Are they really who they appear to be? No. Is that what they think they should be and how they therefore act? Yes.
Stabbing kids with pens is next; it directly harms another human being... and for what necessity? In other words, what was the necessity of doing so? You're own pleasure? Sick b*****d!
Smoking or drugs don't directly harm anyone else (and indirectly do so very minimally); therefore are at the bottom of this list. Not to mention some drugs; those with 'less than adverse' physical reaction, used with an amount of self control and precarious attitude, can be quite beneficial to the mind.
Your argument doesn't change the fact that therefore it is our duty to learn from their mistakes and therefore them (and what they select to be the more important points in life; aka parental lectures/school in general) or we will do even worse, as no generation has been able to reach their goal of producing a generation 'less twisted' or 'better' than themselves. Consider that, perceptive in a naive curious manner one (it is good to look for parallels and the like where others don't, but not to do so without checking yourself for contradictions and complications by examination of all conceivable variables), by itself and in relation to the meaning of life; which I believe to be to leave our mark on the 'world' (or important points in ours; aka the people) around us, and the best easy way to do that is to have a child, in hopes that he/she will do 'better' than oneself. Something none of us have yet risen to the challenge of.
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