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Toothsome Conversationalist
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 Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:24 am
(And I'm still sticking with my not-choosing-a-side stance)
How will he prove it to the Order? Killing again won't do it. What valuable information could he possibly impart that will put him in the good graces of Lupin, Moody, Hagrid and McGonnagal?
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:41 am
Ooh, good question :3
He could...
- Help Harry, without Harry knowing it (since Harry isn't going to accept help from the man who killed Dumbledore), and prove that it was him.
- Ask them [the Order] to give him Veriteserum, and then ask him questions.
- Do something that would be "against" Voldemort, and "for" the Order (ie, turning in a bunch of Death Eaters).
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:57 am
[Ernie]
- Ask them [the Order] to give him Veriteserum, and then ask him questions.There is only one problem with that theory: Quote: Veritaserum works best upon the unsuspecting, the vulnerable and those insufficiently skilled (in one way or another) to protect themselves against it. Barty Crouch had been attacked before the potion was given to him and was still very groggy, otherwise he could have employed a range of measures against the Potion - he might have sealed his own throat and faked a declaration of innocence, transformed the Potion into something else before it touched his lips, or employed Occlumency against its effects. ~J.K. Rowling's official site, F.A.Q. Section, First Question, Link. Emphasis mine. Just because old Severus takes the potoin doesn't mean anyone, I think especilly McGongall as she would know first hand how skilled Severus is, would believe him. Especilly if he volunteered. If they were to catch him unaware and make him drink it, then maybe but I don't see that working otherwise.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:31 am
~I agree with [Ernie], helping Harry w. or w.o Harry's knowledge.
~He could submit to being attacked, then Veritaserum since JKR said that it worked on Crouch Jr only because he was attacked.
*A note on this, I think that JKR left us evidence pointing to that Crouch Jr could do Legilimency and Occlumency by saying that he gave a Harry a 'penetrating glare' (page 476 GoF, The Egg and the Eye). That sort of wording would point to the possible use of Legilimency. She also says flat out in the hilighted part that he can do Occlumency*
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:07 pm
He might have to trust in some sort pre-prepared proof like a letter from Dumbledore or a memory in the pensieve.
Or he could always present Harry with a gift-wrapped Horcrux, like Nagini, which we know Voldemort wouldn't give him even if he was trying to put a double agent in the Order.
And of course, there is always the possibility that Harry will fall in love with him and invite him into the Order.
rofl
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:25 pm
Perhaps he can not and will not prove himself to the Order. Maybe he thinks that he could work behind the scenes, stopping Voldemort alone.
Or maybe the Order already knows that he kill dumbledore for reason. They could just be acting like they don't know it, but that's not likely.
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:33 pm
[Ernie] Ooh, good question :3
He could...
- Help Harry, without Harry knowing it (since Harry isn't going to accept help from the man who killed Dumbledore), and prove that it was him.
- Ask them [the Order] to give him Veriteserum, and then ask him questions.
- Do something that would be "against" Voldemort, and "for" the Order (ie, turning in a bunch of Death Eaters). I have a problem with that third one. The Gestapo used to shoot each other to "prove" that they weren't involved with the organization. It wouldn't be easy for Snape to shed his stigma through more double agent antics.
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:28 pm
Acidic Cynic He might have to trust in some sort pre-prepared proof like a letter from Dumbledore or a memory in the pensieve. If he and Dumbledore really did plan the whole thing then, to me, this would be the most obvious way. Dumbledore must've known than when Snape would kill him the Order would turn on him. He would have been blind to see that he was the only one who trusted Snape for a reason other then "Well Dumbledore trusts him". Dumbledore was a logical man, he would have realized this and made preperations so that Snape could easily re-enter the Order. If there were no plans made before it happened and none of Dumbledore's memories are acessable then Snape is in trouble. Like SweetMelissa pointed out, just doing something that seemed like it was for the Order (short of killing Voldemort) might still not help him regain their trust because it could be just a ruse. Destroying a horcrux with others watching might work though because Voldemort wouldn't easily agree to give those up
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:52 pm
SweetMelissa [Ernie] - Do something that would be "against" Voldemort, and "for" the Order (ie, turning in a bunch of Death Eaters). I have a problem with that third one. The Gestapo used to shoot each other to "prove" that they weren't involved with the organization. It wouldn't be easy for Snape to shed his stigma through more double agent antics.
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:51 pm
I'm not sure he ever CAN prove it; certainly not to Harry.
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:09 am
And the way I see him, he might have too much pride to try.
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:54 pm
Though I still think Snape is a bad guy, why couldn't they just feed Snape the same stuff that they fed Crouch's son?
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:58 pm
Panda Chi Though I still think Snape is a bad guy, why couldn't they just feed Snape the same stuff that they fed Crouch's son? Vertiserum. Discussed in the first four posts or so.
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:12 pm
RegulusofSlytherin Panda Chi Though I still think Snape is a bad guy, why couldn't they just feed Snape the same stuff that they fed Crouch's son? Vertiserum. Discussed in the first four posts or so. Oh! Oops. Didn't see that. Sorry. x.x
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:03 pm
I got a Red-Hen inspired thought: if Fawkes were to show affection or trust for Snape, Harry'd have to.
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