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Why did Dr. Manhattan leave Janey Slater?

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weirwood

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:25 pm


This is left rather ambiguous by Moore. I get the feeling it was because of her desertion of him when he was in that atomic chamber thingy, however. Thoughts?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:34 am


I think you could be right. But, considering Chapter IV (sorry, that was real nerdy), Jon loved Janey more than Janey ever thought. He went to the abandoned bar where they first drank, a moment, a snapshot, their fingers first touch. An image in his mind. As vivid as a photograph. A photograph he takes to Mars. Janey never saw that. Nor did she see she had be 'used' for Veidts plan, to rid the world of Manhattan.

And then, as now, there is evidence that the perception of a womans greatest fear is to be 'traded in for a newer model'. Manhattan, as he explains never reallysaw her age in realtime, he saw it simultaneously. And without hardcore drugs. So Manhattan had already seen the future, and in it, Janey left. But knowing all this, he stayed with her to that point of her leaving. I reckon he would have considered it logically that he do so. And fall in love with Laurie. His first love from when he was human, and his links to it. The second as Manhattan, a completely different being. One who considers everything without judgement. Only with a rational viewpoint. The first watched him die as a human, powerless to save him, the second die as a citizen of this planet.

Other than disintergration.

But could Moore be suggesting, through the underlying subtheme, and the ones on a more personal level. That it is just as inhuman to watch one man disintergate into atoms, as it is to allow millions? As we have in the past, in both 'not looking at poland', and dropping two bombs that stopped a fight. Millions, reduced to atoms, and yet no lessons learned. Not in 1985. Not in 2009.

And in Manhattans case, a Superman was born. Better than Superman, as Manhattan had been a man, not an orphan rescued by it. Manhattan could do some crazy s**t. All the time thinking about his actions. His powers. And how he felt no emotion to it. Like those that watched him fry. Without even trying. And turning away.

That stuff is Janeys 'monkey on a Rock', not Manhattans.

But I would say to Janey, "the only two things Jon took to Mars was Laurie, and a picture of you. Two women. Pretty special huh?"

I do say 'huh' too much.

Horace Burtons Ghost


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:05 am


i think it ended the moment she didn't stay when he asked her to. she couldn't be there for him, when he needed her the most.

yes, it would be very hard to see that happen to your lover, i'm not saying it would easy to watch.

and there always seemed an underlying tension from that point on. she was afraid of him. their love had died with Jon's human body.

it's just sad he started to cheat before they broke up.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:32 am


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i think it ended the moment she didn't stay when he asked her to. she couldn't be there for him, when he needed her the most.

yes, it would be very hard to see that happen to your lover, i'm not saying it would easy to watch.

and there always seemed an underlying tension from that point on. she was afraid of him. their love had died with Jon's human body.

it's just sad he started to cheat before they broke up.
yes it is, but I cant figure out exactly how far removed Jon is from being human. Though I am putting that aside, and I believe he knew what he was doing, and was being a tosser. He was aware of the consequences his actions would have on those who were close to him. But what was Moore trying to say. That on a human level, he is nothing super. It seemed he was just conducting experiments, weighing up the options of staying, or doing a runner.

I don't like going here, because I have to apply some Freudian s**t, and although I believe him a tosser (like the ink blot exams), the 1980's were a freudian goldmine of thought.

As Manhattan is about as welcoming as a fart in a spacesuit, women are attracted to him. He is an enigma. Is this because he is a 'Super-man', better than the rest of us? Well no, he is as emotionally retarded as most of us. But excused because 'we made him'. Sounds like he was that way before accident. He liked fixing watches, and that is how he expressed himself to the end.

He understood watches. He didn't understand people. Or himself. So he shoots off to Mars to think. Men, it seems, can't think unless there are no interruptions. Women interpret this behaviour as strong and silent. Then when it is discovered the vessel truly is empty, then anger manifests.

We all fear getting old. And Manhattan makes that all too obvious. He wont change. He cant change. He is doomed for eternity. Not so super. Screwed over for the second time. That he is blessed. He is cursed, for ultimately he must tire of immortality. When all is figured out. Which would be soon.

Sorry....so Janey has to leave when confronted by that. A man would if Manhattan had been a girl. Staying blue and sexy, potent, as his fades over time.

Laurie, who has (and here's the Freud bit), serious daddy issues. First, mum condones the violent act which brought about Laurie. The step-dad sucked in any sort of fatherly role, because he never factored that into the equation. So Laurie has two ******** up father figures. The one thing Freud rests a lot of credence in. but I gotta admit, I haven't gone too far into his texts, but really, do I have to?.

So, Laurie has to sex herself up as a hero, and placed in the same environment Sally was victimised in. Crazy.

And with the image of her real father to grasp to, she would have imagined him as the ideal. Strong, protective. Full of knowledge to stop someone making mistakes.

And as freud would want to point out, to have some weirdo thoughts about dad. He (real dad, though he was there) wasnt there, but a big, blue, naked guy was. And was all those things. At first, an object to possess, and love phyiscally. Because thats how things seem to get started. And then in some twisted way, being a lover AND a father at the same time. I am referring to the 'group Manhattan' and the teleporting her to mum's instead of her escorting him to Blakes funeral 'for her own good'. No woman, person wants to be treated in such a way. To do what they are told, and doing it without any say in the matter. And it was all done, in a patronising manner. Not intentionally, but he is patronising.

And noone likes a Smartarse. Just ask the guy who invented the Infinite Improbability Drive for the 'Heart of Gold'.

But Laurie didnt see what she was really looking for, if it wasnt for Jon, because they one she turned to was Dan, a fella wit some flaws of a different kind.

Horace Burtons Ghost


F a w k s i

PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:21 pm


He went after *****.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:23 pm


F a w k s i
He went after ***** class="clear">
Who could blame him, Janey put it forward to him, as Laurie. To fulfil her own justification for regrets.
Manhattan, Elvis, JerryLee Lewis, Bill Wyman all did the same s**t. Dated teenagers. Somehow they were able to achieve what us normal folk find disdainful. And to get away with it without hurting their careers. Difficult to hurt Manhattan though, he could just *blink to somewhere else. Like Mars.

Moore could be just commenting on what happens when ou get old. You become out of touch with what is happening 'today'. Sure you know the whats happening globally, but you arent doing what the 'young' are doing. It slips away. And when it does, you grasp hold of it. Nostalgia.

Youth sells, Sex sells, Nostalgia sells. Circle of life. And to each generation it all means something different.

To the 'young' getting up in 80's s**t is 'retro' and 'hip'. But slightly different (as pointed out in both the Silk Spectre costumes)

The 'older' think that as nostalgia hits, they immediately become 'hip' too. So they drag out their old s**t. But it isnt quite the same. Awkward. You havent felt this awkward since YOU were a teenager. hmmmm, something in common with a younger generation perhaps? AAARRRRGGGHHHHH. Nostalgia. So someone older dates someone younger to retain the fountain of youth.

Quite sad.

All I want is a dune-buggy. Not that I had one in my youth. I had to settle for a car with a forklift engine in it. Nerd all my life. Before the term had been coined. And now impossible to drive on sand dunes anymore.

*sigh*

I had a friend named Doon Buggy once. I wonder what ever happened.......

no I don't.

lol.

Horace Burtons Ghost


Daalt256

PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:14 am


Indeed
PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:10 pm


I believe it was because he believed she was aging quickly and he found Laurie Juspeczyk.

Rorschach_Walter J Kovacs


Nite Owl_Dan Dreiberg

PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:16 am


"Most men get fed up with when they get older. So just stop reading into things, go die in a hole, and shut the hell up! You damn people.
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