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Immanence

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:57 pm


Some believe that the end of the Mayan calender (December 23rd, 2012) states that the world will end in 2012. However, 2012 is not the end of the Mayan calender. The Mayan calender goes on after 2012.
Also, the Chinese zodiac ends in 2012 (just thought I'd point that out).
The reason that the Mayans chose to end their calender in 2012 is because of a rare astronomical event which happens every 26,000 years. On December 23rd, 2012, the sun will appear to be in the center of the Milky Way, and all of the planets will align. The Mayans ended their calender to end on the rare event. Another thing is, the Mayans believed that the world has began and ended 4 times before, and each time the world begins again, it starts a new age. Every age gets shorter and shorter. (This age supposevly began somewhere around 30,000 BC) According to Mayan legend, we are in the age of advancement right now. After 2012, a new age will begin, which will be the age of spirituality and truth.
But, however, their might be a deadly event in 2012. The alignment of the planets and the sun appearing to be in the center of the universe (from Earth's prespective) might somehow ruin Earth's magnetic fields. If Earth's magnetic fields are ruined, then that would make the seasons go out of wack, it would let solar dust into Earth, and it would destroy the society which Earth has. If Earth's society is destroyed, then that would make way for a new age. If Earth's magnetic field is changed, then it would lead to a chain reaction of events on Earth, which would somehow lead to the age of Spirituality and Truth. Many humans would survive, but countries and soieties would be destroyed, and people would begin to make their own countries and restart. The technoligy and discoveries of the age of advancement would be carried on into the next age, because with every age, their comes a new property. (I am not sure what the last 3 ages were supposed to be) So 2012 may not mean 'end of the world', but it would mean end of the age, and a new age will begin.

****DISCLAIMER****
I am not saying all of this is true. It is likely that it is wrong. This is just based off of Mayan legend. I am simply writing about how the Mayan legends would come true if they were true. This was what I personaly think the Mayan prophecy meant.
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:25 pm


Yeah, 2013. Look at all the horrors of the Y2K bug...oh wait, there weren't any. It's all garbage.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:52 pm


Golden Dysprosium
Yeah, 2013. Look at all the horrors of the Y2K bug...oh wait, there weren't any. It's all garbage.


Hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent updating kidney dyalsis machines so they would not fail due to the Y2K bug. The Y2K bug was a serious concern, and the reason it had negligible effect was the people who needed to worry about it did worry about it. There was a real problem, but lots of people overreacted.

That is different from the 2012 nonsense, where there is no problem at all.
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:28 am


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Yeah, 2013. Look at all the horrors of the Y2K bug...oh wait, there weren't any. It's all garbage.


Hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent updating kidney dyalsis machines so they would not fail due to the Y2K bug. The Y2K bug was a serious concern, and the reason it had negligible effect was the people who needed to worry about it did worry about it. There was a real problem, but lots of people overreacted.

That is different from the 2012 nonsense, where there is no problem at all.

Hehe, I don't approve or disapprove of anything happening in 2012. All I believe that is going to happen, is that the planets will simply align with each other, and that is it, then the day will go as normal.

Immanence


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 2:09 pm


I heard about the polar magnetic shift. If that's true, then we're all probably doomed, but we won't be struck dead at midnight Dec. 12, 1012.
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:17 pm


Well the Mayan calender is pretty on with natural disasters ( at least one of my science teachers said that and I never really reseached it. So who knows.) If true well I don't know. Well what I basically believe is that there's no way the Mayans could have made a calender that went on and on forever, so it had to end sometimes.

I guess we just have to wait it out and see, after all if something like that happens, it's not some other humans doing it to us. Wasn't someone gonna strike the US for Y2K. I mean I think thats what it was all about with no water or lights or something. I was pretty young.

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Layra-chan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:10 am


The Chinese Zodiac does not end in 2012; 2012 will be the Year of the Dragon, while the Zodiac cycle ends with the Year of the Pig and starts with the Year of the Rat, the ones closest to 2012 being 2015 and 2016 respectively.

The Mayan Calendar system extends at least several hundred million years into the future. There are references to dates which are much farther in the future than that, although such references are rare.

There is no archaeological evidence that the Mayans thought that there would be a new creation at the end of the cycle; the doomsday/new creation predictions are based off of interpretations of various myths by New Age proponents, as is the notion that the last Mayan creation was at the end of a 13th b'ak'tun cycle.

There will be no astronomical alignment of the planets in 2012, or at least not on 12/21/2012. There might be an astrological alignment, which apparently has little to do with the planets actually being in a line of any sort.

The sun will appear in the center of the Milky Way on December 21, 2012; it will also do so every solstice for about 72 years, not centered on 2012 but rather quite a bit off.

There is no evidence that there will be a magnetic pole reversal in 2012; those happen apparently randomly, so while it can happen it probably won't.
Polar shift, in which the axis of the Earth's rotation changes relative to the Earth, happens naturally at a very slow rate, although there was a very large (50 degree) pole shift some 800 million years ago. There is no evidence that a large shift will happen again.

There is no significant electromagnetic effect between celestial bodies. Celestial bodies simply cannot carry astronomically noticeable amounts of charge without the electromagnetic repulsion tearing them apart, and without very large amounts of charge electromagnetic effects are completely overwhelmed by gravity. Although there may be some mild tidal shifts, no alignment of celestial objects is going to do anything to Earth's magnetic field.

The only accurate 2012 prediction is that the Mayan Calendar is set to end a cycle on the winter solstice of 2012, the truncated date being 13.0.0.0.0 for 12/21/2012 (the Mayans indexed from 0, so this is the first day of the new cycle).
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:41 am


Booya ^_^

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:19 pm


Quote:
There is no significant electromagnetic effect between celestial bodies. Celestial bodies simply cannot carry astronomically noticeable amounts of charge without the electromagnetic repulsion tearing them apart, and without very large amounts of charge electromagnetic effects are completely overwhelmed by gravity. Although there may be some mild tidal shifts, no alignment of celestial objects is going to do anything to Earth's magnetic field.


I'm kind of agnostic about whats going to happen. If something happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Nothing I believe is going to effect that.

However, I've done a bit of research on another topic, and I came across a few things that make your statement slightly, if not largely, false.

There is a phenomena called 'planetary resonance'. It essentially effects nearby planets with gravitational force. The force produced is in fact large enough to effect other planets quite significantly, as shown in planetary orbits. the orbit of planets are actually effected by one another quite significantly, and while the smaller planets like Pluto might not be effected by the closer planets to the sun, the effect is still significant throughout the solar system.
The theory is, is that due to planetary resonance, any kind of planetary alignment might effect the solar system. The orbits of planets aren't firmly set, and occur in such a way where if any crazy type of influence (significantly sized meteor as an example) occurred, things will change greatly in how planets orbit the sun. Part of what keeps a planet orbiting as it does is the other planets close to it. In effect, the solar system is a thing of balance and beauty, each planet relying on the other for support in its determined orbit.

I'd be happy to have someone counter these arguments, but I do know the effects of planetary resonance, and it is significant, both in general, and in regards to this discussion.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:39 pm


If infact the Mayan is just a legend then I see no cause for concern. Legends in my eyes are just great stories and opinions.
If the world does end in 2012 then so be it, I care not.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:25 pm


Edjeira Kruszak
Quote:
There is no significant electromagnetic effect between celestial bodies. Celestial bodies simply cannot carry astronomically noticeable amounts of charge without the electromagnetic repulsion tearing them apart, and without very large amounts of charge electromagnetic effects are completely overwhelmed by gravity. Although there may be some mild tidal shifts, no alignment of celestial objects is going to do anything to Earth's magnetic field.


I'm kind of agnostic about whats going to happen. If something happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Nothing I believe is going to effect that.

However, I've done a bit of research on another topic, and I came across a few things that make your statement slightly, if not largely, false.

There is a phenomena called 'planetary resonance'. It essentially effects nearby planets with gravitational force. The force produced is in fact large enough to effect other planets quite significantly, as shown in planetary orbits. the orbit of planets are actually effected by one another quite significantly, and while the smaller planets like Pluto might not be effected by the closer planets to the sun, the effect is still significant throughout the solar system.
The theory is, is that due to planetary resonance, any kind of planetary alignment might effect the solar system. The orbits of planets aren't firmly set, and occur in such a way where if any crazy type of influence (significantly sized meteor as an example) occurred, things will change greatly in how planets orbit the sun. Part of what keeps a planet orbiting as it does is the other planets close to it. In effect, the solar system is a thing of balance and beauty, each planet relying on the other for support in its determined orbit.

I'd be happy to have someone counter these arguments, but I do know the effects of planetary resonance, and it is significant, both in general, and in regards to this discussion.


I find this post confusing, as it says Layra-chan's statement false. The quoted section of Layra-chan's post deals with electromagnetic force, explaining that any alignment that may happen will not affect our planet's magnetic field. Nothing in this post discusses this, much less refutes it.

As for what you discussed, it is more appropriately called gravitational resonance. This is a real concept, and it does have extremely real effects. For example, the Earth currently has an elliptical orbit varying by about three million miles (from 91.5 to 94.5 million). In about 24,000 years, this will have reduced to about half a million miles due to gravitational resonance.

Nobody denies the existence of gravitational resonance. Fourier analysis allows us to see Mars clearly influences five of the six orbital elements of the Earth's moon. It is just a matter of scope. Over thousands and thousands of years, gravitational resonance matters. Over 24 hours, not so much.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:28 pm


If Mars through Neptune suddenly decided to hang out in a straight line for several thousand years, then maybe we'd see a shift in the Earth's orbit. However, unless the gravity of the five planets somehow pulls at the dynamo in the core that generates Earth's magnetic field differently than it pulls at the rest of the Earth, Earth's magnetic field is just going to move with the rest of the Earth just as it always has.

I never stated that Earth's orbit isn't going to be affected, although the alignment is not going to persist on an astronomically noticeable timescale and the alignment is going to be astrological, not astronomical in nature and thus will not have any gravitational effects that differ qualitatively from normal behavior.

Layra-chan


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:25 pm


If the world will end on 2012 why did we survive 6/6/06 i mean it is a bunch of bull
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:16 pm


The most i hope is that people dont walk around on 12/12/12 waiting to die.

Like i always say, If you spend your life walking around looking up waiting for a meteor to hit, you're just going to end up walking off a cliff.

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