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 Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:40 pm
Pherhaps what I see as red looks to other people as what I see as green. Pherhaps we all see different colors, but to everyone, they all have the same name. For instance, even if what I see as red looked green to another person, then it would not matter though, because they would still call it red since they were taught that it is red.
Or maybe what the roar of a lion sounds like to me, sounds like what I hear as the chirp of a bird, to another person. This would cause a 'roar' to another person to be a light pitched noise, thus making what I hear as loud, 'quiet' to them, and what I hear as 'quiet' could be what they were taught is loud to them. Again, it would not matter since they label 'loud' and 'quiet' the same thing as everyone else, even if it did sound different to everyone else.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:36 pm
yeah I hav always wondered that too, i mean since the perception of color and sound depends on the frequencies which is effected by distance that from afar the sun seems yellow to white but as we get closer it becomes orange and red so i always thought that maybe if we get even closer the sun might even be another color
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:07 pm
legendary_pervert yeah I hav always wondered that too, i mean since the perception of color and sound depends on the frequencies which is effected by distance that from afar the sun seems yellow to white but as we get closer it becomes orange and red so i always thought that maybe if we get even closer the sun might even be another color Yeah, or maybe the sky is black during the daytime, or maybe Michael Jackson really has a nose o.O
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:57 pm
I've always wondered about the colour one. It's a very interesting concept since it's utterly impossible to try to describe colour.
Never thought about sound, though! But I guess the same could be said for most senses! Taste, for example. It's impossible to describe taste! Yes we can say 'spicy', 'bitter' etc but again, it's all based on experience and it might not be the same for everyone!
Back to the colour thing - my Philosophy teacher's brother and father are both colourblind to green. Instead of the various shades of green they see entirely different colours. Imagine that! Imagine summertime with all the multicoloured trees!
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:01 pm
Wow, I didn't know that about partially colorblind people. That's interesting.
I think since colors are translated in the mind, they could appear different to different people.
On the other hand, you could renounce that by saying people can only see certain frequencies on the color spectrum, or hear different frequencies of sound.
I'm guessing it's partially objective, and partially concrete.
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:42 pm
There are similarities from what color people see. There have been studies showing collective effects of colors (blue being calming, red more energetic, etc.) So even if we are seeing colors differently, there is still similar reaction to them.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:16 am
i agree. it's how people react to certain stimuli that interests me. sure "calm" and "angry" are very personal feelings which truthfully cant be accuratly expressed in the way you feel it. That's why i look at, instead of colors, smells and tastes. I think those very more than color and sound. I for example can tollorate, and kind of enjoy, the smell of skunk. where as my friends refuse to take their noses out of their shirts. perhaps i'm smelling something different in skunk that they dont smell. just like people who are naturally more tollorant of spicy foods. they must taste something in it that other people cant tolorate
"maybe the machines couldnt think of what to make chicken taste like, so they made it taste like everythign!"
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:43 am
Look up the notion of qualia. Basically, it's the idea that for each sensation, although externally it all acts the same, internally everyone perceives each sensation in an incommunicably different manner.
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:58 am
I think Pink Floyd put it nicely
"Black and blue, who knows which is which, and who is who,
Up and down, and in the end, it's only round and round"
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:22 pm
I think all sensation is objective. There are definitely similarities in things like color (such as yellow being brightest and purple darkest) but surely not all minds are the same.
Maybe people with slightly different genetic backgrounds perceive things differently...
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:49 pm
my friend says it reminds him of synesthesia. i forget why though.
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:26 pm
That's interesting. I've never thought of it that way
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:14 pm
I've wondered about this sometimes. That's a really interesting bit about partially colorblind people.
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:42 pm
The processes by which color is perceived is basically identical in people with correctly functioning eyes and brains, I can see no reason why these would produce different results.
Not to mention, the fact that red-green colorblindness has a significant effect on the ability to see shapes. I would think that this wouldn't be the case if there were no standard color perception.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:58 pm
Not could; they are, unmistakedly.
Maybe not to as extreme of a level as you defined it, but I'm positive it does exist, not to mention if it does on the small level I speak of, in those freak/rogue cases I'm sure the way you speak of it does as well.
How we perceive is based off our logic, influence by emotional tags created through past experience. No one's life has been the same, therefore everyone's ideas of the things in which you speak are different. Not to mention it's not like we can trust our tools of perception; we only see a small portion of the light bandwidth, hear a small portion of the sound, etc. etc..
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