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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:26 pm
Let's begin at the beginning: where did you come from? Look back down that road, at the past and think about how you got here, the steps you took. What belief system were you raised in and how do you think that affects you today?
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:42 pm
As I am wont to do, I'm on first, just so there's an example. You may find as we go along that you think of something more to add. By all means, revisit topics as your thinking evolves or inspiration hits. Yes, there is a method to my madness in the order I post the topics but do not feel bound by my structure. I am not a step-by-step person; no, I think growth is organic and sporadic!
I have a distinct advantage, I think, in not having been raised in a religion. I tend to think that, then, I didn't have a box to break out of in order to find a new place to call my own. In addition, I have never had a "Book" that told me what to believe. Very powerful in that then belief and 'right behavior' are solely an internal matter rather than an imposed one. I can, however, get this feeling of rootlessness and feel like I lack reference points - not two weeks ago someone got peeved at my lack of appropriate self-labels and wanted a book reference for what I believe and I couldn't tell them. They seriously did not understand, all because I have no "Book." Another thought: I can't escape my wider culture so you can be sure that I can recite the Lord's Prayer, the Order of Mass is familiar, and I can quote certain aphorisms. But I know these for what they are: the comforts of someone's belief system and I can look somewhat objectively at the purpose of these things.
Oh, and my mother is a Dianic, initiated into a mystery tradition. She might self-indentify as a sort of wiccan but is very private about her practices. So I guess that there's a certain amount of family support for pagan belief in my background.
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 2:33 am
Well, I started out as luthren, but due to many circumstances and abuse in my life, (looong story) I grew disillusioned with christianity. I used to walk in the woods to get away from it all, and I always felt accepted there. Mother Nature didn't want me to grovel to her just to make her feel better. I also could somehow feel the "Lifepulse" of the Earth and everything around me, and it felt good. I felt whole. Also, I have a large dose of Native American in me - My GrandMum and Great-Grand were full Cherokee, and my Grandfather and Great-Grandfather were full Blackfoot - so I have the HUGE suspicion that that's where it comes from!
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:29 pm
I had to look up the 'Lutheran' part - I can't keep Protestant denominations straight and my head hurts after trying to make sense of what Wikipedia had to say. Conservative sect, closer to Catholicism than many, members concentrated in the German and Scandanavian countries? I hope I have a reasonable image fixed in my head. I understand the Native part much better though I am aware that religion varies greatly tribe to tribe. What sings in our blood is important, not to get too far down a road called 'heritage.' My folk have only been in the US for five generations, now - my great-grandparents came over from Denmark and Norway early in the last century. So I read runes and have read the northern mythology, have good conversations with an Asatruar friend but that's as far as it goes.
I think I'm trying to make a coherent whole out of ancestry, studies and experiences.
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:45 am
havenne17 I had to look up the 'Lutheran' part - I can't keep Protestant denominations straight and my head hurts after trying to make sense of what Wikipedia had to say. Conservative sect, closer to Catholicism than many, members concentrated in the German and Scandanavian countries? I hope I have a reasonable image fixed in my head. I understand the Native part much better though I am aware that religion varies greatly tribe to tribe. What sings in our blood is important, not to get too far down a road called 'heritage.' My folk have only been in the US for five generations, now - my great-grandparents came over from Denmark and Norway early in the last century. So I read runes and have read the northern mythology, have good conversations with an Asatruar friend but that's as far as it goes. I think I'm trying to make a coherent whole out of ancestry, studies and experiences. LOL - it's funny that you mentioned the term "what sings in our blood".... you must have Klingon blood in your veins! rofl But seriously, I kinda came up with the term "genetic Memory" Remember in Harry Potter when Harry was chosen as Seeker, he was worried that he would make a fool of himself, and Hermoine told him, "You won't make a fool of yourself, it's in your blood" and showed him that his father had been a seeker too? Well, it's something along that line. As you said, your grandparents came from Denmark and Norway, so it would only figure that you would lean toward the Norse Gods and Goddesses.... Did you have a "talent" with the Runes? That would figure also. It's like that it's something buried SO deeply in your blood that you just KNOW. and you don't know WHY you know. *been there and done that* Ever see the movie "dances with Wolves"?? OBOY - did that movie ever stir a cord with me! I know, I'm beginning to ramble a bit.... in the end I guess all I can say is LISTEN to what your blood is singing, and follow it!
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:13 am
Venuslady LOL - it's funny that you mentioned the term "what sings in our blood".... you must have Klingon blood in your veins! rofl But seriously, I kinda came up with the term "genetic Memory" Remember in Harry Potter when Harry was chosen as Seeker, he was worried that he would make a fool of himself, and Hermoine told him, "You won't make a fool of yourself, it's in your blood" and showed him that his father had been a seeker too? Well, it's something along that line. As you said, your grandparents came from Denmark and Norway, so it would only figure that you would lean toward the Norse Gods and Goddesses.... Did you have a "talent" with the Runes? That would figure also. It's like that it's something buried SO deeply in your blood that you just KNOW. and you don't know WHY you know. *been there and done that* Ever see the movie "dances with Wolves"?? OBOY - did that movie ever stir a cord with me! I know, I'm beginning to ramble a bit.... in the end I guess all I can say is LISTEN to what your blood is singing, and follow it! It's funny, the cultural/lit references you bring up: "Dances with Wolves" is one of my husband's favorite films so I get to see it all the time. The Star Trek Klingon culture was based loosely on the Vikings - would you believe that there was a 'Klingon Wicca' mentioned in Rosemary Edghill's "Bell, Book and Murder" series? It's a hoot but probably can't be mentioned around any really strict Wiccans.... The blood sings, harmonizes, finds amazing melodies. It is a rhythm to walk by, a tune to hum while I wander, a poem to dwell upon....There's a song in there someplace. Rambling is good.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:03 am
Have an Idea.... a Good buddy of mine is on Gaia, and she is Pagan / Buddist. She might be interested in this Guild! Her name is Lion2B - send her an invite!
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:31 pm
Venuslady Have an Idea.... a Good buddy of mine is on Gaia, and she is Pagan / Buddist. She might be interested in this Guild! Her name is Lion2B - send her an invite! Hmmm, lion1b, maybe? Done!
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:02 pm
(i hope that im saying the right thing >.<)
I was raised in a christian family. I started to think that christianity isn't all the great when my uncle died. then i really converted 100% to my eclectic pagan path when 4 of my friends died in a horrible car crash and all my family could say was "its okay, God meant for this to happen" I wish i would have converted when my dad...well...i dont wanna talk about it, but it happened when i was 9. so yeah, did i get everything that you asked?
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:06 pm
havenne17 Venuslady Have an Idea.... a Good buddy of mine is on Gaia, and she is Pagan / Buddist. She might be interested in this Guild! Her name is Lion2B - send her an invite! Hmmm, lion1b, maybe? Done! Actually it IS lion2b .... bad case of fumlefingers! sorry!
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:00 pm
Scubas_girl (i hope that im saying the right thing >.<) I was raised in a christian family. I started to think that christianity isn't all the great when my uncle died. then i really converted 100% to my eclectic pagan path when 4 of my friends died in a horrible car crash and all my family could say was "its okay, God meant for this to happen" I wish i would have converted when my dad...well...i dont wanna talk about it, but it happened when i was 9. so yeah, did i get everything that you asked? Your path seems to have arisen from painful experiences and the lack of support you got from the faith where you were raised. It is sad when we walk away from something rather than walking toward something. While I am happy that many people are taking the time to type their way through my threads and I deeply appreciate getting to know everyone, the exercises are not for my benefit but for yours, to help in putting the pieces of a faith together, to inspire questions and to gain perspective. It is all a learning experience.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:39 am
hehe...you hit right on the nose >.< and that doesn't even make a percentage of the bad things that have led me into believing what i do now... and thank you for this thread. Not many people know why i converted. not even my friends.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:53 pm
I am glad to be in your confidence. I think I know what the next topic I will post is - it will follow directly from this point very neatly.
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I actually tried being a Christian for a short while, about 10 months. It had to do with a major life change I was contemplating. I loved to sing in the choir; really got into that 'make a joyful noise' thing. But there was peer pressure to believe certain things and a social organization that, well, how do I say this, seemed staged. I got this feeling that people were not being honest and not covering it quite well enough. [sigh] It is like being told by someone that they like what you're wearing but you have the feeling that they're doing it to manipulate you. Aside from the people, though, I stepped away rather decisively because I couldn't just love the Prince of Peace - no, I had to accept all this other baggage as well and follow a straight and narrow. No running off the path to see interesting sights or to pick the flowers. They didn't like my questions. Not a place a free spirit can stand to be for very long.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:08 pm
your right about that. When i started questioning the people at my old church. the were very abrupt and basically gave the same answer to every question i asked. It was annoying.
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:46 am
I guess with me I grew disillusioned with christianity because I wwent through a lot of abuse when I was younger, and where was the christian "god" to stop it or lend a hand? I got tired of praying to a "god" that seemed to want to have NOTHING to do with me, but boy-oh-boy, I HAD to be right there when he wanted his worthless butt worshiped? Puh-leeze. And everyone KNOWS what the buy-bull says about women! THAT didn't work for me either. As a Pagan I feel ACCEPTED FOR WHO I AM. I don't have to humiliate myself to please some vain-assed "god" Since I don't believe in causing harm, I should be OK!
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