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matttoland

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 8:19 pm


who would win
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:38 am


Sephy, obviously. Especially if you take VII!Sephiroth, but even in Crisis Core, remember that friendly little fight scene? I'd say he won that.

Ravenwolf
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ArikaiHart

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:26 pm


Aww, Ravenwolf said what I was gonna.

In a battle of coolness, I think Angeal would win =D
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:58 pm


duh angeal would totally win because the friendly little fight scene he blocked both spiroths and genesis's swords at once

matttoland


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:29 pm


matttoland
duh angeal would totally win because the friendly little fight scene he blocked both spiroths and genesis's swords at once


True, but I don't think being able to block one swing (aimed toward someone else, no less) stands up to Sephiroth fighting them both at the same time a couple minutes earlier.

Now... come to think of it, maybe that really isn't the best scene to judge, seeing as it looks like the only one who was really going all-out was Genesis. But, Sephiroth at least still beat him without looking any worse for the wear.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:14 am


Ravenwolf
matttoland
duh angeal would totally win because the friendly little fight scene he blocked both spiroths and genesis's swords at once


True, but I don't think being able to block one swing (aimed toward someone else, no less) stands up to Sephiroth fighting them both at the same time a couple minutes earlier.

Now... come to think of it, maybe that really isn't the best scene to judge, seeing as it looks like the only one who was really going all-out was Genesis. But, Sephiroth at least still beat him without looking any worse for the wear.


yeah but the only reason why sepiroth was ever good was because genesis was in sepiroth the real sepiroth was trapped in mako and genesis just blew

matttoland


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:33 pm


matttoland
Ravenwolf
matttoland
duh angeal would totally win because the friendly little fight scene he blocked both spiroths and genesis's swords at once


True, but I don't think being able to block one swing (aimed toward someone else, no less) stands up to Sephiroth fighting them both at the same time a couple minutes earlier.

Now... come to think of it, maybe that really isn't the best scene to judge, seeing as it looks like the only one who was really going all-out was Genesis. But, Sephiroth at least still beat him without looking any worse for the wear.


yeah but the only reason why sepiroth was ever good was because genesis was in sepiroth the real sepiroth was trapped in mako and genesis just blew


How do you figure that? That would be some serious retconning, 'cause Genesis didn't even exist when VII first came out.

Okay, to actually prove it, though?

1. Sephiorth was "good" while Genesis was still in the picture. That would make Genesis an extremely capable multitasker to be in both his and Sephy's bodies at once.

2. When would Genesis have done that? We see him clearly being himself long after Sephiroth takes his leave in Crisis Core. Then Weiss and Nero take him to Deepground at the end of the game. He's got an alibi, there...

3. Yes, the real Sephiroth was trapped in mako. The Sephiroth you see in most of VII isn't really him, but it's definitely not Genesis either. It's Jenova, which Sephiroth is controlling. Remember the beginning at the Shin-Ra building? How Jenova's gone from the container and everyone was killed? It was suppiosedly by Sephy, but it was the Jenova that escaped and killed everyone, looking like Sephiroth.

4. Think of Sephiroth's motives. Everything fits with it being him (considering there's no question it was intended to be him from the beginning), starting with the Shin-Ra Mansion event, up till the end of the game. With Genesis... is just doesn't make sense.

So please, I want to hear what you think! biggrin
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:10 pm


Ravenwolf
matttoland
Ravenwolf
matttoland
duh angeal would totally win because the friendly little fight scene he blocked both spiroths and genesis's swords at once


True, but I don't think being able to block one swing (aimed toward someone else, no less) stands up to Sephiroth fighting them both at the same time a couple minutes earlier.

Now... come to think of it, maybe that really isn't the best scene to judge, seeing as it looks like the only one who was really going all-out was Genesis. But, Sephiroth at least still beat him without looking any worse for the wear.


yeah but the only reason why sepiroth was ever good was because genesis was in sepiroth the real sepiroth was trapped in mako and genesis just blew


How do you figure that? That would be some serious retconning, 'cause Genesis didn't even exist when VII first came out.

Okay, to actually prove it, though?

1. Sephiorth was "good" while Genesis was still in the picture. That would make Genesis an extremely capable multitasker to be in both his and Sephy's bodies at once.

2. When would Genesis have done that? We see him clearly being himself long after Sephiroth takes his leave in Crisis Core. Then Weiss and Nero take him to Deepground at the end of the game. He's got an alibi, there...

3. Yes, the real Sephiroth was trapped in mako. The Sephiroth you see in most of VII isn't really him, but it's definitely not Genesis either. It's Jenova, which Sephiroth is controlling. Remember the beginning at the Shin-Ra building? How Jenova's gone from the container and everyone was killed? It was suppiosedly by Sephy, but it was the Jenova that escaped and killed everyone, looking like Sephiroth.

4. Think of Sephiroth's motives. Everything fits with it being him (considering there's no question it was intended to be him from the beginning), starting with the Shin-Ra Mansion event, up till the end of the game. With Genesis... is just doesn't make sense.

So please, I want to hear what you think! biggrin


At the end of crisis core, genesis is sitting against a tree. The three sephiroth clones come and kidnap him. It makes sense that genesis was made into a sephiroth clone because the true sephiroth never had an angel wing. Genesis did.

matttoland


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:06 am


matttoland
At the end of crisis core, genesis is sitting against a tree. The three sephiroth clones come and kidnap him. It makes sense that genesis was made into a sephiroth clone because the true sephiroth never had an angel wing. Genesis did.


I can kind of see your point, but it's been confirmed by Word of God that it was Weiss and Nero... Well, here's a quote from the Final Fantasy Wiki.

Final Fantasy Wiki
It is revealed in the Crisis Core Ultimania Guide that Genesis was brought to Deepground momentarily, and that Weiss and Nero attempted to persuade him to join in their rebellion against the Restrictors, current leaders of Deepground and 14th Lost Force of SOLDIER. Tetsuya Nomura explained that Genesis ends up declining this offer, and decides to seal himself in the flooded cavern beneath Midgar (as seen in Dirge of Cerberus). With both Sephiroth and Angeal dead, he decides that it is up to him, being the only one left behind, to protect the world.


I've looked for direct translations of the Ultimania, and I can at least confirm from what I saw the Weiss and Nero picked him up and him to join them, he refused, and then he sealed himself in the cave.

And my other point remains; why would Genesis then act like Sephiroth, with Sephiroth's motives and all?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:52 pm


Ravenwolf
matttoland
At the end of crisis core, genesis is sitting against a tree. The three sephiroth clones come and kidnap him. It makes sense that genesis was made into a sephiroth clone because the true sephiroth never had an angel wing. Genesis did.


I can kind of see your point, but it's been confirmed by Word of God that it was Weiss and Nero... Well, here's a quote from the Final Fantasy Wiki.

Final Fantasy Wiki
It is revealed in the Crisis Core Ultimania Guide that Genesis was brought to Deepground momentarily, and that Weiss and Nero attempted to persuade him to join in their rebellion against the Restrictors, current leaders of Deepground and 14th Lost Force of SOLDIER. Tetsuya Nomura explained that Genesis ends up declining this offer, and decides to seal himself in the flooded cavern beneath Midgar (as seen in Dirge of Cerberus). With both Sephiroth and Angeal dead, he decides that it is up to him, being the only one left behind, to protect the world.


I've looked for direct translations of the Ultimania, and I can at least confirm from what I saw the Weiss and Nero picked him up and him to join them, he refused, and then he sealed himself in the cave.

And my other point remains; why would Genesis then act like Sephiroth, with Sephiroth's motives and all?


because his origanal body was destroyed when genises fights with zack and genises jumps off the ledge

matttoland


Nayumi-kuru

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:18 am


well sephirot seems to get pretty easily the victory when I saw the video .___.;;
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:54 am


Zach would beat em all i mean he already has.
Sephiroth-1
Genesis-3
Angeal-1

darkgamer156


Nayumi-kuru

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:17 pm


oh yeah, Zack surely would beat them : D but that wasn't in the question right XD?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:58 am


Sephiroth was obvious. In CC, during the fight with Genesis, he begin effortlessly destroying the battle ground around him while Genesis is barely holding his ground. The fact that Zack could defeat Angeal and Genesis proves that Sephiroth is the strongest of the three, because Sephiroth defeated Zack (ie. disarmed him, while Zack collasped from exhaustion).

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matttoland

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:26 pm


still i think it would be angeal
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