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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:17 pm
This is sort of a re-post of the "Character Surprises!" thread of 2007, but I think the topic is still valid. (I'm probably going to feel like a complete fool as soon as I post this, though.)
I never used to make up random facts about characters on the spot--or if I did, it wasn't often. If I didn't have details ready, I'd just omit them (and my characters' existences, in turn, didn't expand vary far off the edges of their bio sheets). These days, however, I've taken a lesson from Londoners and the way they give directions, and started exercising my powers of Creative Bullshit. You know, just making s**t up on the fly. (I can totally tell you how to get to Trafalgar Square...honest.)
So. Creative bullshit. Discuss:
Have you ever come up with some astonishing facts about characters/worldbuilding on the spot?
Does the story sometimes wind up going places you didn't expect it to?
Do you ever get hopelessly hung up on a tiny detail you ought to be able to bullshit, but just can't seem to think of anything?
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:42 pm
One piece of Creative Bullshit I'm particularly proud of is Sabine's house, which I made up on the spot as she walked home in chapter two. It's an old smithy, remodeled after the town smith relocated from Pierpoint Road (which used to be a commercial street from the port to the Market Square, but which slowly turned residential after the port closed) to Market Square. I've never described it in exhaustive detail, but there's an elm tree outside, and a large yard, and a roof that's surprisingly easy to climb. Sabine's stepmother also apparently keeps unearthing scrap iron in the flowerbed.
The opera The Raven King, which gets referenced at least once in the story, I also made up on the spot because I needed something to fill the empty spot where Nathan's godawful poem would have been. So somehow I thought up this opera about a fellow named Arvid, who gets a god to turn him into a raven so he can bring back the soul of his dead fiancee, Melisande (Orpheus much?). However, he fails to bring back Melisande's soul, and as the way between heaven and earth turns out to be too treacherous for some souls to navigate, the god dictates that Arvid remain a raven and guide the souls of the dead into the afterlife. Naturally, during Arvid's transformation into the Raven King, theatres like to show off their tech prowess (and the talents of their resident mage, if they have one) by making black wings sprout from Arvid's back in the most spectacular fashion they can manage. Vitae is secretly an enormous snob over having seen it once, and mentally picks apart Nathan's performance of one of the arias.
And in answer to my own question, I know I, for one, have a tendency to get hung up on names and place history, and random little details like why garnets are so damn hard to come by in Emanon. To the point where I just can't continue, because I don't like to type in NAME and come back to it. Because I'm stubborn like that. Which is why I keep lists of spare names for each culture in MOSI, just in case.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:48 am
I personally havent had much experience with this, but I did just start writing this year (after a 6 year break). One little detail I threw in was the God in Star of Morning has ADD. And is Russian. And doesn't have any subititles. Just because I want my readers to hate me a little bit.
My stories are constantly wandering off on their own, doing things I wouldn't expect them to and making it so I do not have the ability to continue with the story. Sam's prostitution was initially a very minor part, yet thats all we know about Sam so far. And I hinted that it's the "Adversary"
Lastly, I have hardly any issues with minor details. I usually avoid these issues by putting them in the future and not explaining where it takes place
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:56 am
Creative bullshit: I kind of have a whole notebook on it, and I rather think think this is how Reverend DEATH and Hierophant Hellfire came to be, with me bullshitting about the religion in different regions. Claire's entire personality could be said to have come about this way... as well as Kita as "Lisette".
Things I didn't expect? Well... there's the whole Feragel/Indio thing, which kind of came out of "oh, that would be a mildly ridiculous pairing" and went from there to become cannon, not to mention the whole Allemande knew the whole time thing... and Indio's blindness later on, and the Antimony/Stone thing, not to mention the dogs (oh dear god, the dogs... )... yeah, I think if plot points didn't bonk me upside the head, I'd never get anything done.
And the last part? Names. Names so much. Especially middle and last names. If those ever do get settled, it's because I make Sims of them and bullshit my way through the family names, then change them later on.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:09 pm
1. Shotgun Details See: RP thread. Almost everything about Kalix's vampirism was created on the spot as I answered the posts. The priest anecdote also jumped into my head on the spot.
2. Wandering Stories ALWAYS. I don't know why I'm taking such copious plot notes for my current projects--they never follow the path I plan for them.
3. Bullshit Dysfunction I have a lot of trouble with names, especially place-names and surnames. History is also something of a problem, but as I become more and more aware of real-world history, that becomes easier. Geography is a huge, gaping hole in my experience and is, therefore, the current bane of my existence.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:20 pm
irian-andaluv Geography is a huge, gaping hole in my experience and is, therefore, the current bane of my existence. Oh, I know what you mean. I've always known a lot about the social conditions of the countries and recent developments in magic and medicine, and absolutely nothing about politics, geography, and history. These days, whenever I come to a point where I know I can't avoid one of these three roadblocks any longer, I find someone I know who knows a lot about the subject and pick their mind until I'm satisfied. For example, I had to ask a classmate for help with the geography of MOSI, as well as how to explain the cultural spread and cross-pollination that would result in the region's current cultures. It took a couple hours, and started something like: Rae: Okay, I'm going to draw you a really shitty map. Dan: Hey, most of what we know of the world started with really shitty maps. I generally go by the rule that water runs downhill and toward the sea, and wherever there's lots of water, there's bound to be agriculture. It only just occurred to me, however, that where there are mountains, there are earthquakes. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:23 pm
Mountains are also sites of volcanism. The Cascades are a good example; most of them are due to go boom in the next century or so. :3
I don't remember the points I bullshit on, mostly because I elaborate massively on the inside my head for everything I BS on. ...Which probably made no sense.
IIRC, though, The Destroyer was initally all bullshit and Deus Ex Machina. S/he obviously got better from there, but that's how s/he started.
And my stories wander all the time, like a river--the start and end remain at roughly the same place, but inbetween pi likes to cause twisting and horseshoes and scribbling and such. ...Which makes zero sense to anyone here.
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