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 Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:07 am
I was raised Roman Catholic. I went to church with my devout father every sunday.
I havnt gone in years, but it's still a part of me, even though i'm not Catholic anymore. Few years ago, i started thinking about and battling the things i learned in church. One topic being Heaven and Hell.
I never liked the concieved idea of either fluffy white clowds or fire and brimstone. It just seemed to me like Hell was a clever scare tactic to get people to join their religion. "you do good, you go to heaven, you do bad you go to hell" Than notion reminds me of something else from my childhood. Santa Clause.
So i started battling that. and through what i gathered from afterlifes and karma and different religious phylosophies, i devised my own idea, here it is.
Heaven and Hell are real, but they are manifested right here in this world through our actions and the actions of others. Angels and Demons also exist here, but they arnt celestial beings. They can be any person who does either random acts of kindness that brightens up your life, or random acts of evil ment only to drag you down, and turn your life into a literal hell.
I like these simple ideas. it's a way to incorporate a religious idea into real life. Now the question is, are you and angel or a demon?
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:54 pm
One problem i have with religion (especially christianity) is that i find it very similar
to greek mythology. Both worshiping gods who judge us.
In mythology mortals prayed for good harvest, safe voyage, ect. and, if you disobeyed the gods you would be punished.
The concept if the same in christianity. Be good go to heaven, be bad go to hell.
I somewhat see this as something someone created to keep us in line, and scare us out of doing bad things.. think santa clause..
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:00 pm
yes.. that was a point i made. the thing im getting at is that heaven and hell is a personal, earthbound mindset. i'm not really discussing religion, but my own views on the world. i'm hoping to inspire someone into a new thought pattern. dont become someone demon. Karma's a b***h
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:52 pm
I think you've got it.
Religion is a set path. Since it's so absolute, it can't be true. Nothing absolute can be true.
I think these 'heaven' and 'hell' are nothing more than states of being, or at least states of mind. Surely we don't get teleported to a magical fairy land after we die, or a burning pit. People who blindly believe in religion are blind themselves. I'm glad you've put yourself beyond that.
Not as for the real heaven and hell, angels and demons, I also do not believe in actual winged beings or any of that. An angel might be someone who looks after us, and a demon might be an evil doer, or possibly the things that tempt us.
There are very obscure spirits in this world of ours. Religion is simply an attempt to understand these. The thing is: it's always objective. I don't believe any religion could possibly be right. Nothing can ever be right. It's just the way it is and nothing more. ...then again, that's also, essentially, untrue. Gah! See the loopholes?
Nevertheless, you did the right thing to question it. Never stop questioning. ^_^
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:36 am
Hindus like myself beleive that there is no heaven or hell but a concept of rebirth and reincarnation, ultimately the goal is to be oneness with the Supreme Being and escape the rounds of karma of reincarnation.
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:17 pm
I like the idea of reincarnation. Do you believe in being aware of this rebirth?
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:21 pm
beleive in being aware of this rebirth? is there a way you can rephrase the question (sorry english is not my first language)
if i understood it correctly, rebirth is not the goal but to break out of the circle of reincarnation is the goal and the aim.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:47 am
Jerba2 is asking if you believe if a person, having reincarnated, is aware of the fact that they have been reincarnated, possibly being aware of other lifetimes as a result.
I think. Does that sound right?
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:46 am
(english is not my first language thanks for the rephrase)
Personally, I beleive from the Hindu perspective is that we are reincarnated creatures and coming in the form of a human should be the last form of reincarnation before union of the breakage of cycle of rebirth and death. And that we eventually break out of this form in the reincarnation of this time as humans.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:55 pm
Vincent Tourop Jerba2 is asking if you believe if a person, having reincarnated, is aware of the fact that they have been reincarnated, possibly being aware of other lifetimes as a result. I think. Does that sound right? well in that instant there are thousands of cases where a child has remembered Wars, battles and documented events that they themselves have never even heard of. however it is near impossible to believe that everyone is so lucky to be "reborn". the numbers do not add up, there are 6 billion people in the world, which is nearly triple what it was when the idea of Hinduism came into conception. and if the belief that you can be reborn from a species of animal or plant outside of human is brought into question, then i would say that you would condemn yourself to death by starvation before you can reach nirvana, as "higher beings" we are charged with a responsibility that is morality. Hinduism (to my understanding) is about balance. those who are reborn are condemned to repay for mistakes they made thousands of years ago. the idea in theory is wonderful and incredible. however it undermines the purpose of birth. a new start is not as fresh if you are burdened with the baggage of your last departure. let me clarify, i DO believe that some people are lucky enough to be "reborn" but i also believe that these people have earned that right through war(for instance killing to save lives), violence(natural selection),peace or otherwise willingly sacrificing themselves for the good or the world - not just man kind.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:04 am
:// Ironic Demise ://
I had the same belief a while ago, however, if you are 'good', this would mean you go to heaven yes?
What about the people in africa, who have next to nothing, and have to walk long distances to get what we consider 'basics'? These people could be perfectly nice, and yet, they get treatment as if they were in hell.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:45 pm
I agree with miss Jerba mostly.
Personally, I am skeptical also with ethics. Hard to be skeptical. Sometimes I miss my religious times. Many things forbidden, but the path is clear.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:10 am
As we all know, every person is drawn to do two things: what they and what society see as right, and to do what they desire for themselves. Whether it is good or evil is judged by society, and whatever their decision is influences the perception of the person doing said action.
But this isn't a bad thing, since, after all, is it not society that this person's decisions affects? But we as a society also have another duty: to find the best in people, be it habits, traits of their personality, the friends this person associates with, etc. This good in people that society and the person see is the angel in us all. However, the opposite is also true. The actions looked down on by society are those least mimicked. This is the bad in people, which is decided as such only by society.
Everyone on earth is made of both angels and demons, or in other words, the actions that they and those around them see as good and bad. I believe it is our sacred duty to find the good in every person on earth, mimic those actions in a way we as an individual see fit, and pass those traits on to others and our children. We are the youth of the planet, the generation of change, who have been given the consequences forsaken by those before us, and if we chose to take those consequences and meet them with negative force and influence, then what is the next generation to learn from us? To be completely evil is to do only that which is "bad example," and to be totally righteous is to do only that which is awwed and looked high upon by others. As the famous saying goes "Perhaps the true reason for our existance is to serve as a warning to others."
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:12 pm
On a non-personal level; I'm an angel.
On a personal level; I'm a demon, and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it.
Though god may exist, we created him as we know it, for while we may not have literally synthesized a new form of life, we did define it, and it's definition is the basis of what it is to the human mind. Therefore, we created god.
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