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The One Called Sketch Vice Captain
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 Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:05 pm
((The following has been revised by the original drafter as of 01/14/2010 to ammend or add to the CoC based on data gathered from reviewing roughly 4 months of missed posts...))
Salutations fellow Gaians.
I'm IceColdHaterade, a very willing and able petition signer and guild participant.
I'm more than willing to put years of contract knowledge, business negotiation experience, and tenacity into this guild if it helps to see to it that Gaia gets their head in the game.
But I'd like to suggest a CoC, or Code of Conduct, to see to it that folks will actually take us seriously.
#1) NO Direct Attacks on Gaia itself - Let's be real here, ladies and gentlemen. We all love Gaia. We certainly must or maybe we wouldn't be so upset at their latest attempts to make money through shady offers.
But Gaiaonline needs to make money as well, and we need to understand that.
But I'm sure you guys are with me when I say that the idea of the offers was good. But it was very poorly executed. Let's show them this error without making it out to be more than it is.
#2) Assign spokespeople and follow their lead - We're not going to get anywhere if we assign some forum troll or grammatically retarded individual to be the "faces" or spokespeople of our movement.
Nobody takes that guy seriously. Seriously. Nobody.
So we should assign 2-3 people who communicate properly, know what they're doing, and have an advanced grasp of the English language to be the "faces" of our movement. It just looks more professional this way.
More importantly people have to follow the lead of their spokespeople. We need to stand in solidarity.
3) Adhere to Gaia's ToS - This should really go without saying actually but since it apparently needs to be said here it is.
You MUST obey Gaia's own ToS (Terms of Service). That means respecting fellow Gaians, even if their stance opposes our own. That means respecting Gaia staffers and Admin even though we KNOW their stance opposes our own.
No botting, harassment, scamming, spamming, blowing up anyone's PM, yada yada yada.
You are no use to any guild, let alone ours, if your actions result in having your voice silenced via account or IP adress banning. Be a jackass, get treated like one.
There are PLENTY of ways we can spread awareness and appropriate change that don't involve being an assclown. 'Nuff said.
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#4) Be Realistic - I'm more than certain that the offers area is here to stay. It's a great way for folks outside of the US to get Gaia Cash where they wouldn't have the opportunity otherwise. And, quite frankly, it's a GOOD idea.
We all want to see Gaia expand and they need monies to do that, duh!
Ultimately we need to make it clear that, while we don't like the shadiness and the unpaid offers tickets we've cleared, simply fixing those things will be a fair, even balance for all.
Why is a Code of Conduct important to this guild?
Many reasons. But the most obvious are:
arrow People will actually listen to us when we don't sound like a**-clowns.
arrow We look more unified, a stronger force, solidarity.
arrow We are less likely to get banned if we stick to these.
Oh, and I refuse to be associated with anyone who can't simply handle their discretions in a fair, organized, less abrasive manner. Not that I think I'm better than anyone, just that I believe we can do better.
Cheers,
IceColdHaterade
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:08 pm
He have not done anything to directed physically against Gaia. All we have done is doing stuff on Gaia, and nothing else.
We are getting rid of some people who do not meet our standards, so nothing will be going on there, plus, we have 4 crew, and one captain.
It would've been a good idea, but they shouldn't get free cash for living outside of the US. The people in the US paid for Cash Cards, so why should other countries get it free? We even have people from other countries here as well, because they want a safe way to get their Cash.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:12 pm
I don't agree about the 3rd one.
The offers should go away, and that is what the petition is for.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:13 pm
Fusty Inhabitant He have not done anything to directed physically against Gaia. All we have done is doing stuff on Gaia, and nothing else. We are getting rid of some people who do not meet our standards, so nothing will be going on there, plus, we have 4 crew, and one captain. It would've been a good idea, but they shouldn't get free cash for living outside of the US. The people in the US paid for Cash Cards, so why should other countries get it free? We even have people from other countries here as well, because they want a safe way to get their Cash. I understand, and that's why I'm tossing in my support. But we shouldn't have limitations for Gaians in other countries. Some of them enjoy Gaia just as much, if not more, than us folks in the US. Sure I'm guilty of buying up zOMG Gaia Cash Cards (THAT was a sweet deal!), but I do have sympathy for our neighbors of the world who simply don't have the access to it like we're lucky enough to have. Besides, it wouldn't be free to them. They still would need to complete offers. My point is that if the offers weren't all shady 3rd party "direct" marketing scams, very few of us could ever complain. That's all. And to stay on topic... I believe a Code of Conduct could unify everyone's efforts in a professional manner, making it easier to get our point across without looking like whiny little badguys.
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The One Called Sketch Vice Captain
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The One Called Sketch Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:15 pm
Fallen Insaniity I don't agree about the 3rd one. The offers should go away, and that is what the petition is for. But we need to be realistic. As long as the world and the web-world pretty much revolve around money, this idea is probably here to stay. I mean, more legitimate offers (not scammy companies) with more attention paid to their core demographic would fix this whole thing.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:20 pm
zarrock1502555 i accused them of working with getgambit for the getgambit pyramid scheem. my reason? i did some reaserch and found some "black information" and thiers that whole thing i watched the getgambit presentation. and gaia online has done every thing to the exact what the presentation says. starting with a second currency and every single offer takes u to getgambit.com I agree with you completely. I'm not foreign to doing a little research myself. But seriously, what if they just made the offers more legitimate? Aimed at their core demographic even? Risk-free, if you will? It could pave the way for some serious expansion on Gaia's end and less people could possibly complain about the validity or execution of these offers.
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The One Called Sketch Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:29 pm
If they can make it risk free, then I'm all for it.
If not, they need to take it down.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:46 pm
I agree with you totally, IceColdHaterade.
It's time for a little realism- and a little sympathy! Not only for Gaia itself, but for members from outside of the US. It's completely fair that they can earn some cash for free- because we can too. The offers are NOT restricted to only outside the US, and that is perfectly fair. YES, the offers are bad in execution, but not, I feel in concept. I don't want scams on this site- but I think it would be a good plan for us to be able to earn the occasional free cash- especially people who have no access.
There is no way, if these offers are saving Gaia's financial rear-end, that Gaia is going to drop them entirely. What we need to coerce them to do is change the sponsor to someone who is completely legit until we Gaians can get around to donating enough on our own to cover both our end, as we always do, and the sponsors end. It may be impossible. Gaia may be too big now for its members to save on our own.
Let's keep moving to get rid of the scams, and see where we can get from there. This is not about the complete obliteration of the Cash System, nor is it about us getting everything for free (ever tried that at a store?), no matter how much we want it to be. This is about protecting ourselves from viruses, fraud and spyware. That IS Gaia's job, and they didn't do it- now they need to fix it. Let's get that done first.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:55 pm
i agree with you wholeheartedly! i am not against the idea of the offers at all, just the execution. if the offers were legitimate and were actually appealing to gaia's demographic, then it would be a wonderful deal, particularly if you were already considering subscribing to a certain service. but the things that are currently on the offers page have no appeal to me as an adult. i am technically eligible for the offers, but besides some of them being blatant scams, very few are anything that gaia's audience would be interested in.
I also believe that to be taken seriously we must put forth a certain image. we need to be reasonable and realistic with our expectations. i don't believe gaia will drop offers all together simply because a portion of their audience is not pleased by them. however, if we urge them to improve upon the offers and make them into something that benefits both gaia as a community and a business, we can reach a happy median. if you don't like something, you don't say "it must be the way i want it to be", you negotiate. we should do our best to negotiate with gaia and help it become both a better community and a better business.
*end rant
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:08 pm
I think we definitely need a code of conduct.
It'll allow us to come off as more organized and focused.
And we need some way to enforce it.
Gaia won't listen to whiney, bitchy little girls (sorry for the sexism). They'll listen to organized, respectful but intent, mature people trying to change something that is a problem.
Also, I'd like the offers if they were safe. Especially survey ones, as most people like to share their opinions.
It's not such a bad idea, really, just bad judgement.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:11 pm
la dentelle I think we definitely need a code of conduct.
It'll allow us to come off as more organized and focused.
And we need some way to enforce it.
Gaia won't listen to whiney, bitchy little girls (sorry for the sexism). They'll listen to organized, respectful but intent, mature people trying to change something that is a problem.
Also, I'd like the offers if they were safe. Especially survey ones, as most people like to share their opinions.
It's not such a bad idea, really, just bad judgement. i agree! we need to have our act together and be reasonable 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:13 pm
AURYN Falkor la dentelle I think we definitely need a code of conduct.
It'll allow us to come off as more organized and focused.
And we need some way to enforce it.
Gaia won't listen to whiney, bitchy little girls (sorry for the sexism). They'll listen to organized, respectful but intent, mature people trying to change something that is a problem.
Also, I'd like the offers if they were safe. Especially survey ones, as most people like to share their opinions.
It's not such a bad idea, really, just bad judgement. i agree! we need to have our act together and be reasonable 3nodding
besides, well-organized groups are often very attractive to those not in them.
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