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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:30 pm
[edit]If I'm spewing out false information that hasn't yet been addressed or corrected, please inform me. And I know, my quoting methods aren't perfect.[/edit]
[I will redistrubute the BBCs when I get the time!]
Although grammar policing is a fairly ridiculous pastime done mainly by pseudo-academics without any real understanding of English grammar or linguistics, there are a few guidelines that people should follow so that we can at the very least understand each other. These guidelines can often be violated without becoming totally incomprehensible, but a lot of the time that requires more effort for the readers and making it difficult for the readers doesn't encourage them to like you or your ideas very much.
General Rules Spelling -If you don't know how to spell something, please look it up. -It will sometimes be corrected.
Capitalization -The first letter of every sentence should be capitalized to make it more obvious. -The first letter of proper names (people's/places'/institutions' names, the Judeo-Christian God, titles of books, days of the week, months of the year) should be capitalized to distinguish them from regular nouns. -Acronyms, such as ADD for 'Attention Deficit Disorder', are capitalized, to distinguish them from words that aren't acronyms.
Nouns -There are different cases of nouns, such as subject, object, and possessive, that tell you the role the noun plays in the sentence. Ex: In the sentence "Your friend hit him," "Your friend" is the subject, "him" is the object, and "your" is a possessive. -The pronouns in English change depending on whether they are subjects, objects or possessives: -I, you, he, she, it, we, they, and who are all subjects. -Me, you, him, her, it, us, them and who(m) are all objects. -My, your, his, her, its, our, their, and whose are all possessives. Note: "mine", "yours", "his", "hers", "its", "ours", and "theirs" and "whose" are forms of the possessive pronouns that don't attach directly to a noun, but rather stand alone with the noun implied; "that house is mine" versus "that house is my house". -Nouns that aren't pronouns have the same form in the subject and object, and if they don't end in "s" the possessive is formed by adding " 's" to the end; if they do end in "s", the possessive is formed by adding just the apostrophe.
Verbs -You probably know the basics of verbs. They're very complicated. -The subjunctive is for when you're speaking of a situation that isn't certain, that is hypothetical, or is desired (but not necessarily real), i.e. sentences that have "if..." or "I wish that..." -For the subjunctive present tense of "to be", instead of using the present tense, use "were" in all cases: "If I were at home right now", "If they were at home right now", etc. -For the past tense, use "had" for all verbs: "If I had been at home", "If they had gone home", etc. -The future tense uses "would", "I wish they would go home". -The conditional, "would" and "could", comes after the "then" in "if...then" statements: "If I had been at home, then I could have have watched TV". The condition can also be used after "If only...", as in "if only they would go home."
Adjectives versus Adverbs -Adjectives describe nouns. -Adverbs describe verbs, adjectives, other adverbs, and phrases. -An adverb usually ends in '-ly'. -"He is quick" versus "He runs quickly," and not "He runs quick." -Usually, "how are you doing" ought to get the response of "well", not "good", in that "well" attaches to "doing", not "you". Unless you are at the moment contributing positively to the welfare of someone, you are probably not doing "good" in particular.
Prepositions -They include on, off, around, to, with, below, before, between, etc. -They are usually used to show relations between things, although there are many instances where prepositions have taken on idiomatic lives. -When the preposition attaches one noun to something else, such as in "near me", the noun that follows the preposition is always in object form. -In general, try not to separate a preposition from whatever its attached to, i.e. "the wagon that I fell off" should become "the wagon off of which I fell". Despite sounding a bit awkward, it avoids a number of potentially disastrous ambiguities. -There are cases where a preposition has been absorbed into a verb, such as in "give [object] up" or "let [object] down"; "give up" is a single unit. There are also phrases, such as "from now on", where a preposition has been attached against normal rules. In these cases, the phrase "the wagon that I gave up" is perfectly valid, since "up" is still next to "gave". -Also when the main verb of the sentence is "to be", a preposition can be the end of the sentence, as in "that's what it's all about".
Periods -Periods are used in abbreviation, such as Mr. or etc. -They come at the end of a sentence, such as "I don't like it. It isn't good." -And they can be used to form ellipses: ... -Note: ellipses should only be used to mark things left unsaid, such as in lists or when trailing off at the end of a sentence; they do not replace commas.
Commas -They're used to introduce a clause, as in: "I like it, unless it isn't good." -Also to separate items in a list, such as in: "We need eggs, milk, and flour."
Exclamation Points -You only have to use one of them!
Question Marks -You usually use them when the statement is in question form: "Do you like it?" or "Where is the bank?" -Questions are formed from statements in two ways: -The first is the yes/no form; for sentences whose main verbs that aren't some form of "to be", attach the appropriate form of "do", "shall", "will" or "can" to the front of the sentence, modifying it to match the subject and the tense, and changing the main verb to the infinitive (the "to [verb]" form, without the "to"). If the main verb of the sentence is some form of "to be", simply move that verb to the front of the sentence. -The second form is made from the first question form, with the the part of the sentence being questioned taken out and the appropriate question word, "who", "what", "where", "when," "how", "why", "which" added to the front of the sentence.
Apostrophes -They're used to contract certain words: "do not" becomes "don't", "will not" becomes "won't". -And are used between a singular ending and an "s" to show possession: "The dog's toy..." -Also used after a plural ending with "s" to show possession: "The dogs' toys..." -And between a plural not ending with "s" and an "s" to show possession: "women's clothes". -Don't use them for dialogue; that's what quotation marks are for.
Semicolons -They're used when two clauses coincide with one another and a conjunction is not used. -"She is nice, and I like her," or "She is nice; I like her," not "She is nice, I like her," or "She is nice; and I like her."
FAQ
Then or Than? -'Then' means 'at that time' or can be used in 'if... then...' -'Than' is a helping comparative word, as in "It is better than the last."
They're, Their, or There? -'They're' is a contraction of 'they are'. -'Their' is the genitive of 'they', and it means, roughly, 'belonging to them'. -'There' means "at that place" -'Over there' and not 'over they're' or 'over their' -'Their dog" and not 'they're dog' or 'there dog' -'They're tired' and not 'their tired' or 'there tired'
You're or Your? -'You're' is a contraction of 'you are'. -'Your' is the possessive form of 'you' meaning, roughly, 'belonging to you'. -'You're upset' and not 'your upset'. -'Your hand' and not 'you're hand'.
Who's or Whose? -"who's" is a contraction of "who is" -"whose" is the possessive form of "who" meaning "belonging to whom" -"Whose is it?" and not "Who's is it?" -"Who's there?" and not "Whose there?"
It's or Its? -"it's" is a contraction that means "it is" -"its" is the possessive form of "it" meaning "belonging to it" -"its tail" and not "it's tail"
Affect or Effect? -they come from the same root, but are different -"affect" is a verb -"effect" is a noun -in rare cases, they can be used in different forms. As in "to effect a change" which means to create or to cause. Affect, in a certain sense, can be a noun, meaning 'a feeling associated with an action'. It's not likely that you'll use it like that. -"What effects does it have?" and not "What affects does it have?" -"What affects it?" and not "What effects it?"
Alot or A lot? -"alot" is not accepted in proper English -"a lot" is a real term meaning "much"
OK or Okay? -either is acceptable -you don't need to use periods in "OK"
Two, To, or Too? -"two" is a number: 2 -"to" is a preposition, as in "Give it to him" -"too" can mean "in addition" or can be used in comparatives like "too heavy"
Lay or Lie? -"lay" is a transitive verb meaning "set something down" -past tense of "lay" is "laid" or "had laid" -"lie" is a intransitive verb meaning roughly "set oneself down" -past tense of "lie" is "lay" or "had lain" -"lie down on it" and not "lay down on it" -"lay it down" and not "lie it down"
Different From or Different Than? -most people are inclined to say "different than," but this is incorrect -"different from" is always the correct form to use -"hers is different from yours" and not "hers is different than yours"
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:40 pm
I find this sadly amusing. All of your "Basics" sections could use more information, but that is to be expected. Here are a few corrections which are needed. Jerba2 the word "God" in the Abraham religions, but "god" as a noun I assume you want a "not" before "god" in that sentence. Jerba2 Nouns-there must be at least one in every sentence If you are going to say this, you should list implied nouns amongst your examples. Jerba2 -adjectives descrive nouns -adverbs descrive actions I am going to assume you meant to use describe. This is simply untrue. While many people say "alright" is not a word, its usage is too common for such to be true. The most you can say is "alright" should be avoided in formal writing. In addition, the format for your lists are extremely strange to me. Normally when a list is made up of sentence fragments, those fragments are completed by the list header. That is not true of these lists. Changing headers like "Capitalization" to "Capitalize would make the lists far more sensible P.S. I don't support capitalizing the letter "i." For quite some time I did not do it. Now I do because I have to do too much formal writing, and switching styles causes problems. There is no grammatical reason to capitalize "i." People started doing it just because it made it easier for people to see it hundreds of years ago.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:33 am
Sorry, zz1000zz, but I have to make a few corrections for you.
The word "god" with a lowercase 'g' is a noun. It means a deity in a polytheistic religion.
"Alright" isn't a word. It's an assimilation of "all right" and is used only in strictly informal speech, and is not accepted formally as a real word. In my unabridged dictionary (copyright 1954) it does not have "alright" as a word. Just "already."
And I don't even know what you're saying about the nouns.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:35 am
And of course it could use more information! One person cannot rephrase every English grammar lesson in existence!
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:40 am
And look, we're not trying to dictate to you how to speak. We're simply trying to improve people's grammar, presuming they want to write in proper English. You can have whatever style you want.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:35 am
Jerba Sorry, zz1000zz, but I have to make a few corrections for you. The word "god" with a lowercase 'g' is a noun. It means a deity in a polytheistic religion. Apparently you misunderstood my post. You had said: Jerba -the word "God" in the Abraham religions, but "god" as a noun The grammar makes no sense. You were trying to say something to the effect of, "Capitalize the word "God" in the Abraham religions, but *not* "god" as a noun." You just need to fix the grammar of the line. Fixed it.Jerba "Alright" isn't a word. It's an assimilation of "all right" and is used only in strictly informal speech, and is not accepted formally as a real word. In my unabridged dictionary (copyright 1954) it does not have "alright" as a word. Just "already." Looking to a single dictionary is usually a bad idea when dealing with definitions, especially if the dictionary is over fifty years olds (I would consider an exception for the OED on the former point). What makes you so sure "alright" isn't a word, or that it not "accepted formally as a real word"? I assume it is just prejudice you have been taught, or perhaps read somewhere. Most of the prejudice against "alright" stems from H. W. Fowler's Modern English Usage, in which he baselessly condemned the word. In the same time period words like "anyone" were considered incorrect, being spelt as two words. There is no particular reason "alright" should be treated any differently. Alright is actually seen quite often in published material, as well as accepted by a number of dictionaries. I don't know what dictionary you are using, but the Webster's Third New International from 1961 (picked for being of a similar time period) accepted it completely. Jerba And I don't even know what you're saying about the nouns. You say a sentence must always have a noun. That is true. However, nothing says the noun actually has to be written in the sentence. For example, "Go to the store," has an implied "You" at the start of it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:16 pm
zz1000zz You say a sentence must always have a noun. That is true. However, nothing says the noun actually has to be written in the sentence. For example, "Go to the store," has an implied "You" at the start of it. The form you used was imperative. It doesn't need the "you" at the beginning.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:21 pm
Quote: Generally, most editors and teachers don’t think “alright” is all right. If you’re in doubt, it’s best to stick with the more widely accepted two-word “all right,” especially in formal academic or professional writing. found here: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/is-alright-all-right/
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:25 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:11 pm
Jerba2 zz1000zz You say a sentence must always have a noun. That is true. However, nothing says the noun actually has to be written in the sentence. For example, "Go to the store," has an implied "You" at the start of it. The form you used was imperative. It doesn't need the "you" at the beginning. You have missed the point. I did not say that sentence needed to have "you" at the beginning. I said "you" is implied at the beginning. Consider the sentence, "Jump." There is no noun actually written in the sentence. The noun is implied.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:18 pm
zz1000zz Jerba2 zz1000zz You say a sentence must always have a noun. That is true. However, nothing says the noun actually has to be written in the sentence. For example, "Go to the store," has an implied "You" at the start of it. The form you used was imperative. It doesn't need the "you" at the beginning. You have missed the point. I did not say that sentence needed to have "you" at the beginning. I said "you" is implied at the beginning. Consider the sentence, "Jump." There is no noun actually written in the sentence. The noun is implied. No, there's a difference between that and the imperative. "You jump," would be a normal sentence, saying that the person jumps. "Jump," is the imperative, telling the person to jump.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:19 pm
You're probably thinking of "You, jump," whereas "you" would be the vocative.
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:05 pm
You have missed the point again. Honestly, I have no idea what you are thinking for those posts, so I am going to try this again. You said: Jerba2 -there must be at least one [noun] in every sentence In an imperative sentence, such as, "Jump," there is no noun. This is acceptable because the sentence is understood to have a "You" in it, even though it is not written.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:21 pm
Lik ths i ta dum i meam realy y wae gota tak so prapar
biggrin jk
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:09 am
Greeny937 Lik ths i ta dum i meam realy y wae gota tak so prapar biggrin jk I wish to kill you, and I shall.
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