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 Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:38 pm
This is my Main team, Not the best but I like it.
Anyways here they are:
Froslass@Focus sash
Nature: Timid
Moveset:
~Spikes
~Taunt
~Destiny Bond
~Ice Beam/Hail
This is my suicide bomber xD she is also my personal favorite spiker because of her immunity to rapid spin. All I do is simply layer spikes, Taunt and Destiny Bond. The point is to play mind games force switch ins where I use destiny bond again and layer another spikes. The only thing I hate about this is when there's a pokemon like Hippowdon that utilizes sandstream. It was why I was trying to see if I could maybe go with Hail instead of Icebeam?
Umbreon@Chople Berry
Nature: Careful
Moveset:
~Wish
~Mean Look
~Toxic
~Baton Pass
My Trap passer, I've heard of this stradegy and seen it in action a few times and really like it. It's very simple, I just use mean look, toxic and then baton pass, if my team is in need of healing I can just use wish and then baton pass.
Zangoose@Life Orb
Nature: Jolly
~Close Combat
~Shadow Claw/Substitute
~Swords Dance
~Return/Substitute
One of my Physical Sweepers, I love the pokemon to death but the fragility is what gets me worried so I was maybe thinking about switching a move for substitue? Or maybe swtiching Life Orb for Focus Sash? The stradegy is to use 1 or 2 swords dance and then sweep thier team.
Gyarados@Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
~Water Fall
~Stone Edge
~Dragon Dance
~Taunt
This is my Skarmory killer smile I simply start off by setting up taunt to prevent skarmory from whirlwinding me while its intimidate lowers Brave Bird's damage. I then Use Dragon Dance and either Waterfall for a good STAB or Stone edge. I use Stone Edge for Suicune and Milotic if they don't have HP electric. Also Stone Edge will do wonders to a Zapdos biggrin . PLUS with leftovers, this set will most likely 2HKO a bold blissey. And after Dragon dance I'll be able to outspeed Gengar. The way I am training Gyarados will also ensure no 2HKO's from Heatran smile .
Gardevoir@Leftovers
Nature: Modest
~Willo-Wisp
~Psychic
~Wish
~Focus Blast
I really like this gradevoir's moveset because It's got the ability Trace so it's easier to switch in. Willo-Wisp is to dent sweepers that'll try and take gardevoir out such as Weaville and Tyranitar. I had a choice between thunder bolt and focus blast, I shose Focus blast because I already have a skarmory killer (Gyarados) and Focus blast will be able to take care of Weaville and Tyranitar. PLUS it dents Heatran. This is also a supporter like umbreon, If Umbreon has a problem then I'll use Gardevoir's wish and get my team back to par. Psychic is a good STAB move to combat Heracross. I also hear Heracross hates being burned...
Charizard@Petaya Berry
Nature: Modest
Moveset:
~Sunny Day
~Solarbeam
~Fire blast
~Substitute
The first thing I think I'm going to hear is to change Charizard into Bellyzard. I know Belly Drummer Charizard is awesome but it's base attack isn't something to write home about. I chose to utilize this one because for one, it's alot more powerful and it'll probably be my only special sweeper. Sunny Day is to combat Hippowdon, Tyranitar, Most Water Pokemon as well as Salamence. If I use sunny day, activate my petaya berry with substitute and use Fire blast with its Blaze ability, it will OHKO most Salamence smile . And Sunny day will also remove Tyranitars SP def boost. Also, Sunny day will halve surf's damage and I can just finish them off with a solarbeam.
Well, that's all fo them! So tell me watcha think? ^^
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:24 pm
Scooter_bug_101 This is my Main team, Not the best but I like it. Anyways here they are: Froslass@Focus sash Nature: Timid Moveset: ~Spikes ~Taunt ~Destiny Bond ~Ice Beam/Hail This is my suicide bomber xD she is also my personal favorite spiker because of her immunity to rapid spin. All I do is simply layer spikes, Taunt and Destiny Bond. The point is to play mind games force switch ins where I use destiny bond again and layer another spikes. The only thing I hate about this is when there's a pokemon like Hippowdon that utilizes sandstream. It was why I was trying to see if I could maybe go with Hail instead of Icebeam? Do you really want a lead that can do no damage whatsoever if you switch to Hail, especially when no other pokemon on your team benefits from being in Hail? (The answer is 'no'.) Spikes + Taunt + D-Bond takes three turns; in that time I'd be really worried, especially because a) if I have to have an entry hazard I'd rather SR than Spikes: b) on its second attack it's probably attacking you anyway, and if it's an SE attack Froslass is gonna die if it switches out anyway; c) most leads don't stay in for too long anyway. Scooter_bug_101 Umbreon@Chople Berry Nature: Careful Moveset: ~Wish ~Mean Look ~Toxic ~Baton Pass My Trap passer, I've heard of this stradegy and seen it in action a few times and really like it. It's very simple, I just use mean look, toxic and then baton pass, if my team is in need of healing I can just use wish and then baton pass. Standard Trap Umbreon. Not much to say here. Scooter_bug_101 Zangoose@Life Orb Nature: Jolly ~Close Combat ~Shadow Claw/Substitute ~Swords Dance ~Return/Substitute One of my Physical Sweepers, I love the pokemon to death but the fragility is what gets me worried so I was maybe thinking about switching a move for substitue? Or maybe swtiching Life Orb for Focus Sash? The stradegy is to use 1 or 2 swords dance and then sweep thier team. I'd personally run something like: Zangoose@Life Orb Jolly ~ Return ~ Close Combat ~ Swords Dance ~ Quick Attack Quick Attack is good to ensure priority. Regardless, I still don't much like Zangoose. It's fragile as hell, and in standard play there are plenty of other things that do its job but way better (hell, Tauros even has the same TYPE and is a better choice). Zangoose gets 2HKOed by just about anything and isn't THAT fast. Scooter_bug_101 Gyarados@Leftovers Nature: Adamant ~Water Fall ~Stone Edge ~Dragon Dance ~Taunt This is my Skarmory killer smile I simply start off by setting up taunt to prevent skarmory from whirlwinding me while its intimidate lowers Brave Bird's damage. I then Use Dragon Dance and either Waterfall for a good STAB or Stone edge. I use Stone Edge for Suicune and Milotic if they don't have HP electric. Also Stone Edge will do wonders to a Zapdos biggrin . PLUS with leftovers, this set will most likely 2HKO a bold blissey. And after Dragon dance I'll be able to outspeed Gengar. The way I am training Gyarados will also ensure no 2HKO's from Heatran smile . Standard Bulky Gyarados. Not much to say here either. Scooter_bug_101 Gardevoir@Leftovers Nature: Modest ~Willo-Wisp ~Psychic ~Wish ~Focus Blast I really like this gradevoir's moveset because It's got the ability Trace so it's easier to switch in. Willo-Wisp is to dent sweepers that'll try and take gardevoir out such as Weaville and Tyranitar. I had a choice between thunder bolt and focus blast, I shose Focus blast because I already have a skarmory killer (Gyarados) and Focus blast will be able to take care of Weaville and Tyranitar. PLUS it dents Heatran. This is also a supporter like umbreon, If Umbreon has a problem then I'll use Gardevoir's wish and get my team back to par. Psychic is a good STAB move to combat Heracross. I also hear Heracross hates being burned... T-Tar can probably take the Focus Blast and OHKO back; Weavile can kill Gardevoir before it even has a chance to do anything. It's not a bad moveset but I hate to tell you - Heracross ******** LOVES being burned because just about every Heracross runs Guts. My experience is that Gardevoir is a lot more fragile than it might seem. Scooter_bug_101 Charizard@Petaya Berry Nature: Modest Moveset: ~Sunny Day ~Solarbeam ~Fire blast ~Substitute The first thing I think I'm going to hear is to change Charizard into Bellyzard. I know Belly Drummer Charizard is awesome but it's base attack isn't something to write home about. I chose to utilize this one because for one, it's alot more powerful and it'll probably be my only special sweeper. Sunny Day is to combat Hippowdon, Tyranitar, Most Water Pokemon as well as Salamence. If I use sunny day, activate my petaya berry with substitute and use Fire blast with its Blaze ability, it will OHKO most Salamence smile . And Sunny day will also remove Tyranitars SP def boost. Also, Sunny day will halve surf's damage and I can just finish them off with a solarbeam. Most people will just pull their Hippowdon/T-Tar out for something else, and bring it back later to reset the weather. Having Sunny Day on Charizard also doesn't mix very well with Hail on your lead. The reason most people like Bellyzard is that despite Charizard's SpAtk being higher than its Atk, it has a way better Atk-based movepool.
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:08 pm
Thanks for the rate! ^^ And if my post sounds rude I'm trying not to be, so please don't take it as rudeness.
as for Zangoose, I would do that but the reason I haven't put Quick Attack on it is that Shadow Claw is to take care of Ghost types, I've heard of Swords Dance and Quick attack being good but I really haven't seen anything like OHKO's except on Ninjask.
As for Froslass, Her moveset is truly meant to play mind games and enable her to stay in the game longer. If I use Taunt, it prevents SE from harming her speed, I can't put stealth rock on her so I am left with spikes. The 3-moves IS a huge risk but I think it's worth it if I can utilize her just right. It might take a bit though.
Gardevoir: I know she probably would be OHKO'd by a T-tar, her defense isn't something to be proud of xD. oh thanks for the info on heracross! I really need to know that! BUT her moveset will be sure to annoy sweepers anyways and she wont go down with out finding SOME way to annoy T-tar or Weaville.
Charizard: yeah I totally agree on movepool. But if I keep with Ice beam on my Froslass, I wont have to worry about sunny day conflicting with Hail ^^. Plus I have a good 3 SpAtk moves, so while the move pool is wider there are some good SpAtk moves that'll put Charizard up to the game real nicely. Hippowdon I can Solar Beam and Tyranitar I can Also solar beam and If my Gardevoir has done its job it should beable OHKO the T-tar very nicely.
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:22 pm
Scooter_bug_101 as for Zangoose, I would do that but the reason I haven't put Quick Attack on it is that Shadow Claw is to take care of Ghost types, I've heard of Swords Dance and Quick attack being good but I really haven't seen anything like OHKO's except on Ninjask. I wouldn't expect it to OHKO much of anything, but I think the speed advantage could be useful considering Zangoose's mediocre speed. Scooter_bug_101 As for Froslass, Her moveset is truly meant to play mind games and enable her to stay in the game longer. If I use Taunt, it prevents SE from harming her speed, I can't put stealth rock on her so I am left with spikes. The 3-moves IS a huge risk but I think it's worth it if I can utilize her just right. It might take a bit though. The one thing I really don't like about a Froslass lead is that if something faster comes up against your Froslass, its s**t is ********, to put it mildly. Froslass has basically no answer to a faster lead than it; admittedly it might be able to do something about Aerodactyl with an Ice Beam, but Azelf and Weavile will utterly wreck it, and like you said, Hippowdon is a threat too. Scooter_bug_101 Gardevoir: I know she probably would be OHKO'd by a T-tar, her defense isn't something to be proud of xD. oh thanks for the info on heracross! I really need to know that! BUT her moveset will be sure to annoy sweepers anyways and she wont go down with out finding SOME way to annoy T-tar or Weaville. Most Heracross run Guts and I could see them switching in on Gardevoir hoping to predict a burn. You really don't want that. And I'm pretty sure Weavile can get a clean OHKO against Gardevoir with Pursuit; you just kind of have to hope they switch into a burn. It's something to keep in mind. Scooter_bug_101 Charizard: yeah I totally agree on movepool. But if I keep with Ice beam on my Froslass, I wont have to worry about sunny day conflicting with Hail ^^. Plus I have a good 3 SpAtk moves, so while the move pool is wider there are some good SpAtk moves that'll put Charizard up to the game real nicely. Hippowdon I can Solar Beam and Tyranitar I can Also solar beam and If my Gardevoir has done its job it should beable OHKO the T-tar very nicely. It's a lot of hoping, though. I dunno - T-Tar is a scary beast, and relying on Gardevoir to drop it is not a strategy I'd encourage, because if they catch you mispredicting you will get punished for it incredibly badly.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:40 pm
Something that hasn't been mentioned. You'll want rapid spin on your team due to the amount of Pokemon carrying a weakness to it on your team (especially Charizard).
I don't see weavile leads often tbh :/.
Zangoose isn't exactly an impressive sweeper, as it does have a good attack power of 115, it can't back that up as it has mediocre speed and piss poor defenses :/.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:43 am
Tsukameru Something that hasn't been mentioned. You'll want rapid spin on your team due to the amount of Pokemon carrying a weakness to it on your team (especially Charizard). I don't see weavile leads often tbh :/. Zangoose isn't exactly an impressive sweeper, as it does have a good attack power of 115, it can't back that up as it has mediocre speed and piss poor defenses :/. Problem. Who could learn Rapid Spin and another, what would I delete for it?
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:38 am
Scooter_bug_101 Tsukameru Something that hasn't been mentioned. You'll want rapid spin on your team due to the amount of Pokemon carrying a weakness to it on your team (especially Charizard). I don't see weavile leads often tbh :/. Zangoose isn't exactly an impressive sweeper, as it does have a good attack power of 115, it can't back that up as it has mediocre speed and piss poor defenses :/. Problem. Who could learn Rapid Spin and another, what would I delete for it? Your best bet is probably Frosslass for a Foretress, or Cloyster.
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:50 am
Tsukameru I don't see weavile leads often tbh :/. Weavile leads in OU are more common than Froslass leads. :V And removing Froslass for Cloyster/Forretress means that there's no longer a lead in there; who takes up leading duties? I wouldn't want either of those as my lead, personally.
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