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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:55 pm


For all those wishing to run for a chair position, Post ITT your stance on:

* The Current Status of the Guild
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*Your Views on the NCS Community bill

*Changes of the guild you would like to see happen

* Anything else you deem necessary.


Candidates Running

Comrade Rob
Gracchvs
iRage
Gallenger
SoViEtTaNkT34
Comrade M-Mann
Lady Merewyn
Comrade Kotka
Dis Domnu
Steven Hawkings


Candidates Platforms


Dis Domnu
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them to prove their innocence. I've seen conspiracy theories and trolling and blatant hostility toward members. I hear the activity isn't what it used to be, and I have to wonder if it's any surprise when older members are, essentially, given free rein to abuse any other member they disagree with. I've also seen it said that the Guild should be a safe haven. This is one of the few things I agree with Gracchvs on. I go a bit further than him, though. Not only should the Guild be a safe haven from external harassment, but it should be a safe haven for leftists of all sorts from harassment by other leftists. Gracchvs talks about proselytizing, but how can the Guild do that when it presents such a hostile face to outsiders and people not yet of the socialist/communist ideology? If the Guild is to recruit people to the Leftist cause, it will need a friendly, non-dogmatic, face; it will need leaders, and members, who can go out and speak with the capitalists, fascists, and whateverelseists. The Guild could certainly use some reorganizing, such as getting up a new constitution, making sure the rules and whatnot are clearly visible, and a "Newbie's Guide to Communism" post written without jargon would be awesome. If the Guild is to have democracy, it will require leaders who serve the members, not a strong leadership to rule the members. This is Gaia, for ******** sake, we don't need our leaders pretending to be the State.
So, vote for Domnu, vote for the Jew. Vote for a sensible way forward. wink



Gallenger
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I will avoid making speeches, and similar to Gracchvs in some way, simply list positions.

What is the NCS about? The NCS is a forum on an anime site which is increasingly popular amongst the middle and older teens (and those 20 somethings who formed relationships here in the old days) - a good forum for the exposition of progressive views.

The NCS can be that vehicle as it once was when our energy was primarily engaged in posting on the other forums of Gaia (ED, EDP for example) then criticizing each other within this guild and the thread. It was like a home base in a game of tag. However, activity outside declined amongst the older members and newer members didn't take up the cup. With older members starting to post again, hopefully, newer members and recruits will step in and learn as we did, only with a lot of help from the older members who now are in a position to guide, unlike what all the older members went through.

The NCS community ought to be used to network with other progressive guilds all around Gaia: anti-imperialist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, and other progressive forces could be networked with in this way. Though obviously a better name than "NCS Community" should be thought up since the community will be more of a meeting place for the dissemination and discussion of progressive views - led by the NCS.

What ought to change in the guild? More emphasis on discussing topics relating to socialism (in other forums) and threads which members post in. - more emphasis on learning about new members (simple questions should be added to the "NEW MEMBERS" thread such as: A. How did you find out about the guild? B. What made you decide to join? I disagree with all decisions to more carefully review applicants, let them come, if they don't post we look like a big guild, if they do we gain a member. I would however be against allowing racists, fascists, and others into this guild, and we should establish rules regarding the ousting of racists, fascists, et al. I would also like to note that I would be against making the NCS exclusively Marxist, particularly because in the past we've managed to do a good job at promulgating Marxian views.



Comrade Rob
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Comrade Rob's Election Platform

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[Edited to be more serious]

In accordance to the current surge of guild membership, I find that it is important to both secure and advance it. What the other candidates are not taking into consideration is the future of the NCS. If we do not start taking strides to educate the newer members of the guild we not only run the risk of losing ideological heirs but also we miss out on an opportunity to educate people in socialist thought. We can achieve the NCS' survival through the NCS community (by a new name which i suggest something along the lines of "The Left community of Gaia or something) and with that there is a need to get members involved which can be done through a recruitment program. In accordance to membership of this new "community" we allow the membership of all those on the political left. In this way, we can advance Marxism with others on the left without running the risk of losing guild control. With the NCS community there follows the concern of the main NCS losing its purpose. So what i purpose is the NCS' remain to be a strict Communist and Socialist guild.

This guild will maintain its original purpose of generating Marxist and socialist related thought and topics-the core membership being those who are already strong socialists and Marxists. Those who appear to us to be outstanding Socialists and or Marxists can be considered by the NCS CorCom for membership.

We must also become more active within the ED and ED-P, for both promotional purposes and guild activity. Further, We need also to Change the NCS mission statement found on the homepage and preferably a New constitution as well for both the NCS and the NCS community. Something along the lines of what Comrade Gracchvs has proposed in the "New Propositions" thread.

Other issues I wish to tackle include : The purging of Fascists from the guild ranks, New banners for the NCS and NCS community, a stronger desire for Marxist-led education, and above all more Interior Alligator and HitlerxStalin yaoi

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION OF WORKERS SOLDIERS AND PEASANTS! AND LONG LIVE THE NCS!

Vote For Rob, Gracchvs, and SoViEtTaNkT34~

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Lady Merewyn
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The NCS Guild exists to provide a forum for discussion on Socialism and related topics. We extend open arms to all who are willing to learn about said ideologies and positions. The NCS can also serve as a base from which socialists can work together to post intelligent responses to socialism-related issues in the ED-P. In the old days, we had a thread with links to such topics so that we could all work together (in true Hivemind form) to educate others in the ED-P.

Recently, the NCS has entered a period of renewed activity, however, it is imperative that we do not stifle that activity by dividing ourselves into multiple guilds. For that reason, I oppose the resurrection of the NCS Community. Instead, we ought to focus our efforts on strengthening the NCS as a whole. It would also be important for me to mention my position on non-socialist members within the guild.

This guild should be an open forum for anyone willing to learn. We should not be scared of people who have different views, but instead use opposition to strengthen our own views if it is necessary. I oppose purging members except in extreme cases, in which case the guild would have to vote before such actions could be taken. I do, however, think that it would be reasonable to extend the same rule which currently exists within the NCSGuild chat group--No ethnic, racial, national, religious, sexual or sexuality based slurs in the guild. Such prejudices will not be tolerated.

Ample warnings would be extended, however, before anyone were to be banned for said actions. That's about it, for now.



Gracchvs
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UPDATED PLATFORM
FOR AN END TO THE PERSONAL CLIQUES! FOR A DEMOCRATIC-CENTRALIST GUILD!


The guild is mired in disgusting cliquist attitudes. These must be done away with! The guild is ridden with fascists and their allies. They must be removed!

The guild needs more activity. We must proselytize!

The guild lacks a clear command structure. We must build one!

We see the depths that "Comrade" Mann will sink to to secure a rightist election. The left must win!

We need true internal democracy. We need to rid ourselves from those who sympathise with the class enemy. We need to be active. We need a guild structure that will accomplish all this.

Without that, nothing will get done. Only with a strong guild leadership dedicated to revolutionary politics can the Gaian left be truly educated about the need for revolution.

This is the Neo-Communist, Communist and Socialist guild. Not the National Socialist, Communist and Socialist guild. There is no room for the right in here!

Even more, there should be little room for other ideologies. Marxism is not one possibly correct way forward competing with other possibly correct ways forward, IT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD!

This guild cannot be exclusively Marxist, however it would be stupid to deny that Marxism has always played the strongest role in this guild. It must be made official:
The guild is Marxist, all others are here at our sufferance!

So far I have taken it upon myself to teach the youth of the guild almost on my own. I will continue this if need be. I will teach the youth of this guild, and of Gaia at large that the only way forward, the only means to achieve women's liberation, an end to gay, racial and national oppression is SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!

Nothing else. There is no other way. I am the only person who has been doing this so far, and I think it is pretty clear that I am the only person able to lead this guild out of the mire it finds itself in.

Remember, it is largely due to the activity of Myself and Comrade Robson that this guild was revived from certain death through reformist ossification.

Only we can lead the guild forward.

On the opposition:

Comrade Mann: A scoundrel. Does nothing but troll and manipulate. He has a decided lack of revolutionary politics that, at bottom, come from the fact that he has given up hope for a revolutionary working class. As such, he is left to saying 'I am a commie' but actually not doing a ******** thing the express it. What politics are expressed are thos above: The proletariat is no longer a contender for social power, ignore it, and at best retreat into the third world and have a revolution there, Chaves style!

Lady Merewyn: A hippie. While generally liked, her politics bar her from being serious. Having no desire for a revolutionary proletariat she calls on the capitalist state to reform itself to benefit workers. Socialism is merely some far off dream, not a practical political programme for her.

Gallenger: A renegade. The leader of the guild since time immemorial, Gallenger has been cruicial in the development of the guild to date, primarilly, in its collapse. A poltical bandit, he prostitutes marxism in the service of third world nationalists, the Democratic Party and the stalinists ruling the deformed workers states. Like Kautsky before him, he uses the words of Marxism to excuse an alien class agenda.

iRage: Stalin-lite. He advocates a society where each is awarded for 'merit.' What this means to him is that the 'smart' people will be awarded with positions of authority. Denying the need for democracy, he believes that professional bureaucrats will be able to regulate production sufficiently. Stalin-lite: 50% less purges, 100% more thorough bureaucracy!

Demon Kagerou: A liberal. For this one, everything is seen through the eyes of the perennial university student: as a subject to study, not to intervene in. History isn't something that can serve as a practical guide to action, but rather a story of the oppressed and how we should all be nice to them. Subject to anarchoid tendencies, she despises practical organisation, and Marxists in particular who utilise it for revolutionary means. Thoroughly ecclectic, she has no clear understanding of what needs to be done, and would probably be unwilling to do what was needed to do it.


All of these bar the last were involved in the decision to re-admit the fascists into the guild, and if she was active at all, she would have been as well.

This is what voting for the others entails. They would have it so that anyone 'interested' in socialism can come in and talk. This would utterly destroy the socialist nature of the place. How can we appeal to leftists saying 'we are fighting for real change, not the s**t Obama is promising' if we have fascists and assorted rightists in here?

This guild is a safe-haven for leftists. They can come here and talk without having to worry about constanly being demanded to provide proof that racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., are prevalent in our communities. They can come here and talk about what to actually do about those issues, not prove that they exist to people who would oppose any realistic solution anyway. This is platform and my understanding of the guild, its politics, its role in Gaiaonline.com, and how we are to enhance that.

Vote for Gracchvs for:
*An end to the fascist and troll incursions that do nothing but disrupt the guild.
*A comprehencive education programme dedicated to teaching all about the many understandings of socialism.
*A place where people can come to talk about how to deal with the world's problems, and not have to deal with people who deny those problems.


VOTE 1: Gracchvs VOTE 2: Comrade Rob VOTE 3: Comrade Kotka

ONWARD! WE HAVE A WORLD TO WIN!



Supplementary materials for reading at your leisure:

Gracchvs
Gallenger
I would vote against banning - he generated more discussion than the previous weeks combined. Note furthermore than I am sorely disappointed in this guild. Given, I may be overly criticizing, but last night the "ask Valg" thread went on for quite a while with various well educated members attempting to dissuade Valg from his racist beliefs - but they never did so from the Marxian perspective. They approached it, primarily, from the social and scientific perspective. Affective ways to argue, but in no way as effective, especially in regards to the individual in question who is a poor factory worker! Should we not have instantly pointed out that fact that there is a group of people who desire each and every one of us to be racist? So that the working class remains disunited, self-loathing, and backwards! This was not brought up in the least as I recall - hopefully it was done later, I sincerely hope so.
And yet you didn't involve yourself in the thread? While denouncing me in the chat with everyone else, it was up to other people to argue with him! You had your chance, so now your high horse is shown to be merely a sick donkey. The fact is that this person shouldn't be in the guild in the first place, and by being in the guild disrupts its purpose as an educative facility and a safe-haven for those on the left. Rather than try to convince him of the error of his ways, he should have been kicked immediately. As I have repeatedly said over the last... however many hours, this is a safe-haven for socialists and far-leftists to come to and argue and discuss without the basic assumptions (the existence, pervasiveness and horror of racism, sexism and other forms of oppression), and instead talk about how to deal with them and how to get rid of them. Precisely because that aspect is disrupted by the fascist presence people have to deal with it (again, which for all your bluster about 'proving them wrong' you didn't even attempt). The task, as distasteful as it is, was taken up with great energy by some of the members of the guild. This energy is better spent in education and self-clarification, i.e., arguing with other rightful members of the guild. This is energy and time wasted that could be spent on fruitful discussion, and at the same time, it was spent in a stupid defence of the guild where there was a much simpler course of action. How are we meant to pose as a safe-haven and a guild for the education of socialists when most of our energy is not spent in education and clarifying NCS matters, but in dealing with outsiders, and outsiders, I might add, that are absolutely opposed to accepting or abolishing those things which we take as our basic assumptions? There is only on way to deal with such people, they must be banned. Only in that way can we maintain the status of the guild as a safe-haven, as well as keep it functioning as an educational facility... as opposed to arguing with people who who oppose us, oppose the guild, and who only come here in order to dissrupt its exercise of those functions.


Gracchvs
Comrade Mann
Gracchvs
Our membership is politically immature at the moment, and such 'trials by fire' can be had in ED and ED-P (in response to Mere's inane comment that we must defend ourselves: we do it there, not here).
Gracchvs up until some months ago you ONLY posted in NCS. What you're asking here is that all members upon joining in order to mature be forced to post in EDP but not every member who joins is a regular of EDP or even clicks on ED itself
Please look over the rest of my post, because the fact that you address nothing but this point implies to me that you generally agree with those points, and that this was all you could object to. Now, I went out to ED-P because this place is dead. As activity picks up, I will certainly withdraw back in here a bit more, though until we have lots of decent activity in the forums, will not withdraw exclusively. If you want to prove how awesome you arguments are against the ibeologues of the bourgeoisie on the site are, go agead, prove that to who ever you want to prove it to. I myself would rather, for the most part, deal with people who alread have some kind of socialist consciousness. I imagine that many who join will be similar, and many would throw themselves into ED-P. That is how things work. But where you pretend to outrage that I would force everyone into ED-P, you would instead bring ED-P here. This is very different for two main reasons: 1) people can go to ED and ED-P voluntarily, despite the straw man that I would force them to. 2)Bringing ED here destroys the 'safe-haven' aspect of the guild which makes it redundant (why have the guild when you can make threads in ED-P for education?). Admit it, you are on the wrong end on this fight. You can side with me on this and still hate the rest of my evil dogmatic politics.


Hawkings

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Position I: I been here since 2007, I joined in early January. I been here, and been with the down times of the guild, after it reached its peak. I have been here when its mainly dead outside of Gracchvs talking to himself. What can I do for the guild is mainly just maintain as being the minority of the guild and maintain a minority position within the guild for newcomers.

Position II: I'm active enough were I can check the state of the guild every now and then. I'm not dogmatic or paranoid to which I would banish people for disagreeing with me or proving me wrong.

This is a place for left-wing people as the so called guild introduction page entitles. Though, its also were people outside can learn rather being feed by public opinion of what communism is not, or any other ideology usually grouped as such.

Position III: I won't kick people out unless people broke the ToS and by a minority vote. I'm sorta tired how the past two weeks have been going, and I would rather not it be like this. It may be more active, though its even worse in hostility, and its just a anime board reality.

If anybody is boasting themselves of how great the activity for the guild is from their activity, I'm afraid you sorta might wish to explain this for me.

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Position IV: I'm only running for crew in a reelection, I'm making this clear. I don't want anything else, because I know the likelihood would go to someone better. I just want to aid in the lower part of the guild.

Position V: I think some sorta guild rules would help, and also reference page. I do see this, though sorta defragged. The point is the consolidation of posts rather then repeating them. And to of course have FUN and LEARN.

Also the guild constitution that was disbanded either be replaced with a new one or ratified with the old one.

Position VI: I'm not here to be some cult learner asking anybody to convert or die to a ideology for some reason. I don't support this action in the mods or in the membership. Not even the fascist as many here dislike even do this. So why would you start this now?

Position VII: I don't hold any grudges towards anybody here if some don't believe me. When I log off from Gaia, I don't think about who was being of anything. I find taking things personal is sorta foolish on the internet.

Position VIII: I would ask for, "Neo-Communist" be taken out of the guild name, unless somebody can tell me otherwise.

Position IX: we could advertise the guild in the guild forums, I'm sure that would help.

Position X: I have your chickens. BEWARE MY GUSSE!

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SoViEtTaNkT34

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Proposition 1:

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We need Younger preferably female members in MINI SKIRTS scream .




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The NCS is here With OPEN ARMS Comrade!
This leads me to the base which Gallenger presented this is a teen site which most of us joined in our yearly days as youths... now in College we still need to tap into the younger base of gaia and as Gracchvs stated be a source of learning. Thus I agree with a more broader membership and even allowing liberals is fine with me. I have been allowing basically anyone to join on the matter to stir up debate and learn


Proposition 3

I will Follow Comrade Rob on the NCS Community issue.

I will concur with Comrade Rob and re-open NCS community under a Left Wing Alliance.Seeing as this is a guild that also does things outside of gaia I also propose reviving the community to gather more members. I wish to set up some opiates of the masses aka video games with members and eventually get clans to also bring better strength/together ness.. except that me and rob play as healers and we need other people to join AION so that we can actually get a team of non healers ...thats right people us communists like to heal in mmorpgs wink



But mainly Battlefield heroes seeing as its free...


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Proposition 5 Vote for me!


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Vote For ME For I can Steer us to a better NCS TOMORROW!










IRAGE
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PLATFORM: FOR AN ACTIVE GUILD INCLUSIVE OF ALL SOCIALISTS!
FOR AN END TO DOGMATISM AND PURGING FOR A GUILD TAILORED TOWARD EDUCATION AND CIVIL DISCUSSION


My first task would be to address the lack of concrete rules and the lack of a guild constitution. I support amending the guild name to the "Socialist, Communist and Marxist Guild" (SCM), while simultaneously effectively transforming it from a Marxist-Leninist guild to a more inclusive guild for socialists and communists, including social democrats who are often discriminated against by certain members.

Any socialist who defines socialism as "state or cooperative ownership or control of the means of production", and who supports some form of social leveling would be welcome to join this guild. This will help maintain a safe haven for socialists while filtering out social liberals and advocates of welfare-state capitalism, making the guild more inclusive and diverse.

Instead of debating historical events and preaching ideological purity, we should take a more pragmatic stance, both in the guild and in ED-P. I would support working cooperatively in the ED-P with my comrades to defend the merits of socialism; specifically to outline how a socialist economy would function and why capitalism is flawed on the structural level. By showing other intelligent and open-minded individuals, whether they be libertarian or social liberal, how a socialist system might function and that it can be a viable alternative, we do far more to advance the merits of socialism than we ever could by focusing on discussing revolutionary methods, old Marxist literature and by only appealing to the most dogmatic and extreme elements of the so-called political left.

On the opposition:
Gracchvs/Louis Auguste Robespierre: An intolerant individual who has frequent delusions about conspiracies against him by fellow socialists and communists who disagree with him. Gracchvs has transformed Marxism into a static dogma; a religion in which Trotsky was the final and correct prophet. He takes Marxist predictions as a matter of faith, and lashes out at those who lack faith in the working class as the only means to achieve socialism. His methods of crushing capitalism entail brainwashing children through an anime site and reciting old Marxist literature, without providing any practical and workable means for organizing a socialist economy.

Comrade Rob: For all intents and purposes, a tool of Gracchvs'. Comrade Rob is a die-hard Leninist who supports Gracchvs on most issues. There is much discontent with Gracchvs and his lackeys.

Some intelligent, interesting individuals who have much to offer have been discouraged from posting in the guild because of his presence. We need to actively work to change the atmosphere of this guild, comrades. Therefore, in the spirit of open-mindedness and tolerance, I request you vote for these individuals as well (or in place of me if you deem me an unworthy candidate):

VOTE 1: iRage
VOTE 2: Lady_Merewyn
VOTE 3: Demon_Kagerou
VOTE 4: Stephen Hawkings



Kotka

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Okayyy... I'm going to run.

^^ I'm much newer than a lot of regulars in this guild (and thus a lot of people running) because I have only been here since April. I came to learn more, and learn more I have with the interesting discussion and range of viewpoints within this guild.

So...I thought I might as well run, in the hope of becoming mod.
As some people have said, the NCS is not a political party, it is a guild on an anime site (that I first joined for the cute lil avatars), so cohesive viewpoints are not necessary. What is necessary is fruitful discussion and the opportunity for members to both learn and convince each other. This is why I am leaning towards the proposals that have been going around to either create a broader left community or open NCS a little more. If someone has a workable proposition and much of the membership agrees, I will support it.

So, vote for me because:
1. I am quite active, as people who go into the chat should know. My activity will not drop much tomorrow when I go back to uni because I will only have it two days a week. ^^
2. I'm pretty cool. And nice. And nice to noobs... and if this guild is to become more active, there will be more noobs.

That's it! Given there's been a flurry of activity today, hopefully people will be active and look at this.


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Let me give a speech then give out my positions.

This guild has a long history. A history stretching quite frankly to the beginning of the Gaian guild system and nearly prior to. It begins with two people. Back in the year 2004 the EDP began it's first Presidential election thread. There were many candidates standing for many different positions, but only one candidate stood for the actual left, and the candidate at the time was known as M-Mann, in other words me.

The campaign was run with much dedication but in the end the election came out in favor of a conservative. It was at this time tactics changed from complying with a bourgeois election to revolution. The revolution became simply another Communism thread and only two people were there to manage it. Those people being myself and Comrade Tank. Out of the entire population of EDP there were only two people who argued for Communism.

There was little unity. There was no community. There was nothing much to organize any who advocated, opposed or was simply interested people in Marxism. I endeavored to change this, and Tank agreed. So we laboured to try and create this new Communist guild. This guild is the child of that idea and dream.

So do not think to presume that I don't care about this guild. This guild is seeing less activity but in the time I've been here it's seen many such times. Worse times! There were times where no one posted for weeks in the main forum.

And there was time when it was filled with new people. New posts everyday. New projects ambitiously being taken on and new boards to populate the guild. Under everyone! We had a separate guild, a community. We had friendly correspondences with other fledgling Communist and Socialist guilds. We had contact with other political guilds and our members joining their guilds.

When I came into office I attempted to continue this. I tired to start organized member postings into EDP Communism threads. I tried making a new forum outside of Gaia for ourselves. I tried to promote Theory and Essay writing/development among our members in hopes that it would promote learning. I had more open policy for membership in hopes of getting differing viewpoint but educating those on ours. Some perhaps became more open to Socialism, some maybe stayed the same. Some of those people are part of the core regular NCS members.

Then membership stagnated. Suddenly posts were becoming less frequent. There were some reasons for this but still it hurt activity and it became that weeks passed with no new posts. I thought of ways to re-start it, I endeavored to keep everything I tried going strong and to come with new ideas. Then my account was permabanned from Gaia. I could do nothing more but keep to the sidelines.

As it is, it's been some time. I have a new account now. I feel I've matured and become wiser. I see now how ambitiously I took on a lot, but perhaps too much and will work instead to see now the same projects from before that worked done again in moderation and successfully. To that I propose these few things

-The reopening of the NCS Community
-Promotion of posting once again essays in the essay subforum
-Increased Membership scouting with the addition of a recommended for guild invitation thread.
-The easing of not only guild membership standards, but of tensions and antagonisms between guild members of different ideologies, backgrounds and thought.
-Another EDP and if seen as necessary ED organizational thread in the NCS Main forum
-That at least two threads pertaining to Communism, Socialism and/or Marxism should be on the first page of EDP and if seen fit ED.

With all these ideas I see not only the quality of NCS increasing, but as well activity and membership to see an increase. NCS is not suffering from a tough time. This is not perilous to be sure, there has been worse times than now for this guild in all the years I've seen it. But it will once again get there if left alone, and as long as any manifestation of this guild exists I will not let that happen. For Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.


Edited By: SoViEtTaNkT34 Date: 9/28
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:23 am


Activity has been declining and NCS has become very monotony in its rhetoric, with a heavy Marxist-Leninist and Trotskyist bias. This indicates we must put an end to Marxist-Leninist hegemony, which necessitates a more open approach for allowing new members into the guild. This would be accomplished by adopting a new set of core requirements to be eligible for guild membership, a new constitution and perhaps changing the guild title to "Socialism, Communism and Marxism" (SCM) or MCS.

* I propose allowing anyone who define themselves as a socialist into the guild so long as their definition of socialism includes, "State or cooperative ownership or control of the means of production", with a desire to create a more rationally coordinated or planned economy and a social environment characterized by equality of opportunity or equality of condition.
This would broaden the scope of the guild to include socialists of many different stripes, whether Marxist or not in their aims. This will only help facilitate more debate and discussion in the guild and create a more open, friendly atmosphere for prospective members who might otherwise be disillusioned or overwhelmed by the heavy Leninist tone that currently dominates NCS.

Voting for a non-Marxist socialist such as myself, which is a minority in the NCS active membership, is the first step to revitalizing this guild.

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Gallenger

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:51 am


I will avoid making speeches, and similar to Gracchvs in some way, simply list positions.



What is the NCS about?

The NCS is a forum on an anime site which is increasingly popular amongst the middle and older teens (and those 20 somethings who formed relationships here in the old days) - a good forum for the exposition of progressive views.

The NCS can be that vehicle as it once was when our energy was primarily engaged in posting on the other forums of Gaia (ED, EDP for example) then criticizing each other within this guild and the thread. It was like a home base in a game of tag. However, activity outside declined amongst the older members and newer members didn't take up the cup.

With older members starting to post again, hopefully, newer members and recruits will step in and learn as we did, only with a lot of help from the older members who now are in a position to guide, unlike what all the older members went through.


The NCS community ought to be used to network with other progressive guilds all around Gaia: anti-imperialist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, and other progressive forces could be networked with in this way. Though obviously a better name than "NCS Community" should be thought up since the community will be more of a meeting place for the dissemination and discussion of progressive views - led by the NCS.

What ought to change in the guild?

More emphasis on discussing topics relating to socialism (in other forums) and threads which members post in.

- more emphasis on learning about new members (simple questions should be added to the "NEW MEMBERS" thread such as:

A. How did you find out about the guild?
B. What made you decide to join?

I disagree with all decisions to more carefully review applicants, let them come, if they don't post we look like a big guild, if they do we gain a member. I would however be against allowing racists, fascists, and others into this guild, and we should establish rules regarding the ousting of racists, fascists, et al.

I would also like to note that I would be against making the NCS exclusively Marxist, particularly because in the past we've managed to do a good job at promulgating Marxian views.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:15 pm


SoViEtTaNkT34's Platform

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Proposition 1:

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We need Younger preferably female members in MINI SKIRTS scream .




Proposition 2:
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The NCS is here With OPEN ARMS Comrade!
This leads me to the base which Gallenger presented this is a teen site which most of us joined in our yearly days as youths... now in College we still need to tap into the younger base of gaia and as Gracchvs stated be a source of learning. Thus I agree with a more broader membership and even allowing liberals is fine with me. I have been allowing basically anyone to join on the matter to stir up debate and learn


Proposition 3

I will Follow Comrade Rob on the NCS Community issue.

I will concur with Comrade Rob and re-open NCS community under a Left Wing Alliance.Seeing as this is a guild that also does things outside of gaia I also propose reviving the community to gather more members. I wish to set up some opiates of the masses aka video games with members and eventually get clans to also bring better strength/together ness.. except that me and rob play as healers and we need other people to join AION so that we can actually get a team of non healers ...thats right people us communists like to heal in mmorpgs wink



But mainly Battlefield heroes seeing as its free...


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Proposition 5 Vote for me!


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Vote For ME For I can Steer us to a better NCS TOMORROW!

SoViEtTaNkT34
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Director Mann

PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:11 pm


Let me give a speech then give out my positions.

This guild has a long history. A history stretching quite frankly to the beginning of the Gaian guild system and nearly prior to. It begins with two people. Back in the year 2004 the EDP began it's first Presidential election thread. There were many candidates standing for many different positions, but only one candidate stood for the actual left, and the candidate at the time was known as M-Mann, in other words me.

The campaign was run with much dedication but in the end the election came out in favor of a conservative. It was at this time tactics changed from complying with a bourgeois election to revolution. The revolution became simply another Communism thread and only two people were there to manage it. Those people being myself and Comrade Tank. Out of the entire population of EDP there were only two people who argued for Communism.

There was little unity. There was no community. There was nothing much to organize any who advocated, opposed or was simply interested people in Marxism. I endeavored to change this, and Tank agreed. So we laboured to try and create this new Communist guild. This guild is the child of that idea and dream.

So do not think to presume that I don't care about this guild. This guild is seeing less activity but in the time I've been here it's seen many such times. Worse times! There were times where no one posted for weeks in the main forum.

And there was time when it was filled with new people. New posts everyday. New projects ambitiously being taken on and new boards to populate the guild. Under everyone! We had a separate guild, a community. We had friendly correspondences with other fledgling Communist and Socialist guilds. We had contact with other political guilds and our members joining their guilds.

When I came into office I attempted to continue this. I tired to start organized member postings into EDP Communism threads. I tried making a new forum outside of Gaia for ourselves. I tried to promote Theory and Essay writing/development among our members in hopes that it would promote learning. I had more open policy for membership in hopes of getting differing viewpoint but educating those on ours. Some perhaps became more open to Socialism, some maybe stayed the same. Some of those people are part of the core regular NCS members.

Then membership stagnated. Suddenly posts were becoming less frequent. There were some reasons for this but still it hurt activity and it became that weeks passed with no new posts. I thought of ways to re-start it, I endeavored to keep everything I tried going strong and to come with new ideas. Then my account was permabanned from Gaia. I could do nothing more but keep to the sidelines.

As it is, it's been some time. I have a new account now. I feel I've matured and become wiser. I see now how ambitiously I took on a lot, but perhaps too much and will work instead to see now the same projects from before that worked done again in moderation and successfully. To that I propose these few things

-The reopening of the NCS Community
-Promotion of posting once again essays in the essay subforum
-Increased Membership scouting with the addition of a recommended for guild invitation thread.
-The easing of not only guild membership standards, but of tensions and antagonisms between guild members of different ideologies, backgrounds and thought.
-Another EDP and if seen as necessary ED organizational thread in the NCS Main forum
-That at least two threads pertaining to Communism, Socialism and/or Marxism should be on the first page of EDP and if seen fit ED.

With all these ideas I see not only the quality of NCS increasing, but as well activity and membership to see an increase. NCS is not suffering from a tough time. This is not perilous to be sure, there has been worse times than now for this guild in all the years I've seen it. But it will once again get there if left alone, and as long as any manifestation of this guild exists I will not let that happen. For Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:10 pm


My vote is guaranteed to the candidate who will do the most against the Fascist enemy, and who will be the most revolutionary, invloving themselves in the most pro-revolution activitites both online and in RL.

Herobane


Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:11 pm


UPDATED PLATFORM
FOR AN END TO THE PERSONAL CLIQUES!
FOR A DEMOCRATIC-CENTRALIST GUILD!

The guild is mired in disgusting cliquist attitudes. These must be done away with!

The guild is ridden with fascists and their allies. They must be removed!

The guild needs more activity. We must proselytize!

The guild lacks a clear command structure. We must build one!

We see the depths that "Comrade" Mann will sink to to secure a rightist election. The left must win!

We need true internal democracy. We need to rid ourselves from those who sympathise with the class enemy. We need to be active. We need a guild structure that will accomplish all this.

Without that, nothing will get done. Only with a strong guild leadership dedicated to revolutionary politics can the Gaian left be truly educated about the need for revolution.

This is the Neo-Communist, Communist and Socialist guild. Not the National Socialist, Communist and Socialist guild. There is no room for the right in here!

Even more, there should be little room for other ideologies. Marxism is not one possibly correct way forward competing with other possibly correct ways forward, IT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD!

This guild cannot be exclusively Marxist, however it would be stupid to deny that Marxism has always played the strongest role in this guild. It must be made official:
The guild is Marxist, all others are here at our sufferance!

So far I have taken it upon myself to teach the youth of the guild almost on my own. I will continue this if need be. I will teach the youth of this guild, and of Gaia at large that the only way forward, the only means to achieve women's liberation, an end to gay, racial and national oppression is SOCIALIST REVOLUTION!

Nothing else. There is no other way. I am the only person who has been doing this so far, and I think it is pretty clear that I am the only person able to lead this guild out of the mire it finds itself in.

Remember, it is largely due to the activity of Myself and Comrade Robson that this guild was revived from certain death through reformist ossification.

Only we can lead the guild forward.

On the opposition:
Comrade Mann: A scoundrel. Does nothing but troll and manipulate.
He has a decided lack of revolutionary politics that, at bottom, come from the fact that he has given up hope for a revolutionary working class. As such, he is left to saying 'I am a commie' but actually not doing a ******** thing the express it. What politics are expressed are thos above: The proletariat is no longer a contender for social power, ignore it, and at best retreat into the third world and have a revolution there, Chaves style!

Lady Merewyn: A hippie. While generally liked, her politics bar her from being serious. Having no desire for a revolutionary proletariat she calls on the capitalist state to reform itself to benefit workers. Socialism is merely some far off dream, not a practical political programme for her.

Gallenger: A renegade. The leader of the guild since time immemorial, Gallenger has been cruicial in the development of the guild to date, primarilly, in its collapse. A poltical bandit, he prostitutes marxism in the service of third world nationalists, the Democratic Party and the stalinists ruling the deformed workers states. Like Kautsky before him, he uses the words of Marxism to excuse an alien class agenda.

iRage: Stalin-lite. He advocates a society where each is awarded for 'merit.' What this means to him is that the 'smart' people will be awarded with positions of authority. Denying the need for democracy, he believes that professional bureaucrats will be able to regulate production sufficiently. Stalin-lite: 50% less purges, 100% more thorough bureaucracy!

Demon Kagerou: A liberal. For this one, everything is seen through the eyes of the perennial university student: as a subject to study, not to intervene in. History isn't something that can serve as a practical guide to action, but rather a story of the oppressed and how we should all be nice to them. Subject to anarchoid tendencies, she despises practical organisation, and Marxists in particular who utilise it for revolutionary means. Thoroughly ecclectic, she has no clear understanding of what needs to be done, and would probably be unwilling to do what was needed to do it.


All of these bar the last were involved in the decision to re-admit the fascists into the guild, and if she was active at all, she would have been as well.

This is what voting for the others entails. They would have it so that anyone 'interested' in socialism can come in and talk. This would utterly destroy the socialist nature of the place.

How can we appeal to leftists saying 'we are fighting for real change, not the s**t Obama is promising' if we have fascists and assorted rightists in here?

This guild is a safe-haven for leftists. They can come here and talk without having to worry about constanly being demanded to provide proof that racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., are prevalent in our communities. They can come here and talk about what to actually do about those issues, not prove that they exist to people who would oppose any realistic solution anyway.

This is platform and my understanding of the guild, its politics, its role in Gaiaonline.com, and how we are to enhance that.

Vote for Gracchvs for:
*An end to the fascist and troll incursions that do nothing but disrupt the guild.

*A comprehencive education programme dedicated to teaching all about the many understandings of socialism.

*A place where people can come to talk about how to deal with the world's problems, and not have to deal with people who deny those problems.


VOTE 1: Gracchvs
VOTE 2: Comrade Rob
VOTE 3: Comrade Kotka

ONWARD! WE HAVE A WORLD TO WIN!


Supplementary materials for reading at your leisure:

Gracchvs
Gallenger
I would vote against banning - he generated more discussion than the previous weeks combined. Note furthermore than I am sorely disappointed in this guild. Given, I may be overly criticizing, but last night the "ask Valg" thread went on for quite a while with various well educated members attempting to dissuade Valg from his racist beliefs - but they never did so from the Marxian perspective. They approached it, primarily, from the social and scientific perspective. Affective ways to argue, but in no way as effective, especially in regards to the individual in question who is a poor factory worker! Should we not have instantly pointed out that fact that there is a group of people who desire each and every one of us to be racist? So that the working class remains disunited, self-loathing, and backwards! This was not brought up in the least as I recall - hopefully it was done later, I sincerely hope so.


And yet you didn't involve yourself in the thread? While denouncing me in the chat with everyone else, it was up to other people to argue with him!

You had your chance, so now your high horse is shown to be merely a sick donkey.

The fact is that this person shouldn't be in the guild in the first place, and by being in the guild disrupts its purpose as an educative facility and a safe-haven for those on the left. Rather than try to convince him of the error of his ways, he should have been kicked immediately.

As I have repeatedly said over the last... however many hours, this is a safe-haven for socialists and far-leftists to come to and argue and discuss without the basic assumptions (the existence, pervasiveness and horror of racism, sexism and other forms of oppression), and instead talk about how to deal with them and how to get rid of them.

Precisely because that aspect is disrupted by the fascist presence people have to deal with it (again, which for all your bluster about 'proving them wrong' you didn't even attempt). The task, as distasteful as it is, was taken up with great energy by some of the members of the guild. This energy is better spent in education and self-clarification, i.e., arguing with other rightful members of the guild.

This is energy and time wasted that could be spent on fruitful discussion, and at the same time, it was spent in a stupid defence of the guild where there was a much simpler course of action.

How are we meant to pose as a safe-haven and a guild for the education of socialists when most of our energy is not spent in education and clarifying NCS matters, but in dealing with outsiders, and outsiders, I might add, that are absolutely opposed to accepting or abolishing those things which we take as our basic assumptions?

There is only on way to deal with such people, they must be banned. Only in that way can we maintain the status of the guild as a safe-haven, as well as keep it functioning as an educational facility... as opposed to arguing with people who who oppose us, oppose the guild, and who only come here in order to dissrupt its exercise of those functions.



Gracchvs
Comrade Mann
Gracchvs


Our membership is politically immature at the moment, and such 'trials by fire' can be had in ED and ED-P (in response to Mere's inane comment that we must defend ourselves: we do it there, not here).

Gracchvs up until some months ago you ONLY posted in NCS. What you're asking here is that all members upon joining in order to mature be forced to post in EDP but not every member who joins is a regular of EDP or even clicks on ED itself

Please look over the rest of my post, because the fact that you address nothing but this point implies to me that you generally agree with those points, and that this was all you could object to.

Now, I went out to ED-P because this place is dead. As activity picks up, I will certainly withdraw back in here a bit more, though until we have lots of decent activity in the forums, will not withdraw exclusively.

If you want to prove how awesome you arguments are against the ibeologues of the bourgeoisie on the site are, go agead, prove that to who ever you want to prove it to.

I myself would rather, for the most part, deal with people who alread have some kind of socialist consciousness. I imagine that many who join will be similar, and many would throw themselves into ED-P. That is how things work.

But where you pretend to outrage that I would force everyone into ED-P, you would instead bring ED-P here.

This is very different for two main reasons:
1) people can go to ED and ED-P voluntarily, despite the straw man that I would force them to.

2)Bringing ED here destroys the 'safe-haven' aspect of the guild which makes it redundant (why have the guild when you can make threads in ED-P for education?).

Admit it, you are on the wrong end on this fight. You can side with me on this and still hate the rest of my evil dogmatic politics.
 
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:13 pm


Herobane
My vote is guaranteed to the candidate who will do the most against the Fascist enemy, and who will be the most revolutionary, invloving themselves in the most pro-revolution activitites both online and in RL.

Then vote for Gracchvs, the only one who will promise a purge!

Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet


Herobane

PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:17 pm


Louis-Auguste Robespierre
Herobane
My vote is guaranteed to the candidate who will do the most against the Fascist enemy, and who will be the most revolutionary, invloving themselves in the most pro-revolution activitites both online and in RL.

Then vote for Gracchvs, the only one who will promise a purge!


twisted

Auf, auf mit dem Fascisten! Ihnen Tage kommt zum eine blutlich Ende.

twisted
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:48 pm


Can I run without a platform?

I do menial work without need for credit... or awareness that I do it, apparently. And I'm probably the only one in here with a Master degree.... possibly even a Bachelor degree.

Maryhl

Shy Werewolf

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