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 Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:29 pm
sooooo, do like a purebred horse with paper or could you care less as long as its a good horse?
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:45 pm
I was going to post the same thing about my horse. xD Well my paint/pinto came with no papers and isn't registered with APHA and I just found out I can't register her with PtHA. She has no breeders certificate, that I know of. She's a really awesome horse, sweet, people horse and I show well with her so she may not have papers but she is great no matter what. My mom's Friesian mare has papers and is registed with the FPZV Friesian Registry and has a whole german written passport sort of papers. She's recorded and everything, but she's also a great horse, I admire her pedigree alot but she still is a good horse, but if we were to breed her and the in the status she is now, her foal would only have ID papers so if I'd want to make something off her foal my mare needs to step up in ranking, but that doesn't have much to do with papers. sweatdrop Yet I wish my mare had papers just do I can do things with her within the associations. Oh Well. Still love em' 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:13 pm
I could care less. I have no interest in showing in breed associations, really, or that much interest in breeding, so they pretty much mean nothing to me. I had one horse that had papers, my Thoroughbred. They just made me laugh because they had black permanent marker scrawled across them saying "DO NOT RACE!" Apparently he was a little bit of a klutz his first (and only) start.
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:49 pm
Papers are nice, just because you have some history on the horse. It's not a big deal, though. I think the only time you'd HAVE to have papers is if you show in breed circuits. My TB is registered with the Jockey Club, and my American Cream can't be registered because of his color. It doesn't make any difference to me, though. A horse doesn't have to have papers to be really nice.
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:43 am
My horse doesn't have pappers. Like everyone ells is saying, they are nice, but not everything. Sometimes I wish I could show in breed circuits though.
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:11 am
I say having your horse registered is one of the best things you could do financially (if you don't breed, show or plan on selling your horse, then I guess it doesn't matter as much, and you still love them heart )........they don't have to be a purebred horse in order to be registered, there are so many different registries where you just have to meet little certain things, there's even the Grade Horse Registry for people who don't know the horse's dam and sire. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:11 am
To me, papers don't mean anything unless you're showing in breed shows or breeding. The world is filled with enough grade horses that prices are so low because of their lack of papers, why bring more into the world?
You can't ride papers, though.
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:31 pm
I only wanted papers on my mare so I could know what blood lines she comes from. Though I really agree that a good horse is a good horse, papers or no papers. Some of the best horses I know are complete mutts.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:55 pm
Papers for sure.<3
it tells you quite a bit about the horse. Such as how hot their going too be in a ballpark, based on their breeding.
I have a bars paint mare, thats registered,
and a zippos pine bar, that is as well
their both apha
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:35 pm
I have to disagree with that last statement.
I don't think a horse's pedigree is an accurate predictory of it's abilities and certainly not it's temperment.
My TB Hunter mare has five Hall of Fame race horses and three Triple Crown winners all fairly close up in her pedigree.
So she should be a great race horse right?
Wrong.
They couldn't get her to run. They were so sure that she had it in her that they beat her so badly that she stopped cantering at all.(her previous owners told us that)
She is the LAZIEST horse ever.
Totally laid back and loves to just do a nice easy canter around a course of fences at a relaxed hunter pace.
Meanwhile we have a rescue thoroughbred that was almost dead when he got him.
Looking back we found out that he had won almost $600,000 during his life on the track and had NO great racehorses in his background.
Granted, I will say with absolute truth that if I was going to breed my hunter mare in hopes of a foal that would be a Hunter Derby prospect I would breed to Judgement (Dutch WB, Beezie Madden's old Grand Prix horse) before I bred to some nag in the field.
But I still recognize that the baby might come out and suck completely at jumping(though maybe make a super dressage horse for someone).
But I don't care about papers. I just show at hunter/jumper shows (local and rated)..(when I used to show). I have a few unregistered horses around here and I see no difference. Just like a person I don't think it matters where you come from, it is what you are made of. And once I ride my horses a time or two I know their dispositions fine enough.
What is it that you do with your horses?
Because Three Bars was a TB that was a major influence in the QH breed. And a race horse at that. And he died in the 60's so he is way back on the pedigree.
And Zippo Pine Bar was a QH western pleasure champ. (And Three Bars is his grand sire, so it goes without saying that they are Bar-bred if they hav ZPB).
So how do you think these horses effect your paints?(Or Apps, without capitalization that could be either. APHC or ApHC)
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:40 am
I believe papers are important for breeding. It gives you a history of the horse which can give you an insight into where the horses abilities may lie and possibly a better understanding of what the horses genotype may be for things like color medical conditions that should be taken into consideration when considering breeding (like LWO and HYPP). If the horse is papered these things are tested once and documented to prevent any confusing with what's going on with the horse later. Though of course the actual horse is much more important than what's said on paper, it's just and easy way to keep track of some of the attributes of the actual horse.
@Kaitlyn- Though looking at a pedigree doesn't automatically predict what a young horse will be like when it's mature, it's the closest thing you can use to determine where a horses strengths may lie. Your mare may not have had the desire to run, but I'll put money on it that she has the conformation for stamina and speed. That the way she is physically put together is as suited as possible for the job she was bred to do. Which is why breeding is such a tricky thing in general! But if you have 2 parents good at one thing, that's your best bet to get a foal that is good at it too. Of course you can't really take anything further than 3 generations too seriously in a pedigree. If the grand parents and parents don't have a trait you're looking for, chances are your foal won't either.
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:23 am
princess_kaitlyn I have to disagree with that last statement.
I don't think a horse's pedigree is an accurate predictory of it's abilities and certainly not it's temperment.
My TB Hunter mare has five Hall of Fame race horses and three Triple Crown winners all fairly close up in her pedigree.
So she should be a great race horse right?
Wrong.
They couldn't get her to run. They were so sure that she had it in her that they beat her so badly that she stopped cantering at all.(her previous owners told us that)
She is the LAZIEST horse ever.
Totally laid back and loves to just do a nice easy canter around a course of fences at a relaxed hunter pace.
Meanwhile we have a rescue thoroughbred that was almost dead when he got him.
Looking back we found out that he had won almost $600,000 during his life on the track and had NO great racehorses in his background.
Granted, I will say with absolute truth that if I was going to breed my hunter mare in hopes of a foal that would be a Hunter Derby prospect I would breed to Judgement (Dutch WB, Beezie Madden's old Grand Prix horse) before I bred to some nag in the field.
But I still recognize that the baby might come out and suck completely at jumping(though maybe make a super dressage horse for someone).
But I don't care about papers. I just show at hunter/jumper shows (local and rated)..(when I used to show). I have a few unregistered horses around here and I see no difference. Just like a person I don't think it matters where you come from, it is what you are made of. And once I ride my horses a time or two I know their dispositions fine enough.
What is it that you do with your horses?
Because Three Bars was a TB that was a major influence in the QH breed. And a race horse at that. And he died in the 60's so he is way back on the pedigree.
And Zippo Pine Bar was a QH western pleasure champ. (And Three Bars is his grand sire, so it goes without saying that they are Bar-bred if they hav ZPB).
So how do you think these horses effect your paints?(Or Apps, without capitalization that could be either. APHC or ApHC) I ride western pleasure and general things no english at all. Breeding does make a big difference though, because your not going to take two godaweful horses, breed them and get a fabulous animal. It just doesen't work like that. I'm not saying that all unregistered horses are bad ones. Thats where papers are important they tell you all about the horses blood. I PREFER to have papers because it makes for a more complete valuable animal. My Zippo mare has some common characteristics from the line though, and i would happily own another pine bar horse. Now my bars, shes more of a speed stock and she has alot more get up and go because of her breeding, she is built taller than zippo, who is a little stocky girl. with or without papers they would be good horses i just prefer to be informed of their lines in case i ever wanted to sell or breed them. As far as good papers making a difference, i believe all though you can't ride the papers they are a foundation. OH, and my horses are APHA
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2010 10:41 pm
I'd rather have papers, but if it's a really good horse, I will overlook its being unregistered.
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