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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:40 pm
Can someone tell me how fairies come about in paganism. Wicca particularly. Any info on fairies would be appreciated. Thank you!
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:47 am
Well, I'm a newbie, so... I don't know much, but here's what I've gathered.
Some people choose to work with fairies in a manner similar to working with a deity. I've heard of people saying their spell and leaving some kind of trinket or other offering for the fairies, such as a coin or a saucer of milk.
I'm not sure how most pagans view fairies; I personally suppose that if they are real, they are probably another non-corporeal entity. I suppose would mean they wouldn't have any need for a shiny object or milk, but perhaps they appreciate the thoughtfulness anyhow.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:59 am
thank you for the info :3
When i think deity it makes me think that people worship fairies lol....do they?
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:02 am
Worship? Nah, I don't think so. Most of the rituals I heard about just involved doing some kind of ritual to get the fairies to help you.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:45 am
That so cool ^-^
I've been wanting to study magic that deals with dragons and fairies.
Do you know the difference between pixies and fairies?
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:42 am
Technically, "fairy" is a catch-all term for most supernatural creatures of European origin. Leprechauns, selkies, kelpies, sprites, trolls, banshees, gnomes, and elves are all fairies. I don't know if you're familiar with the Japanese term "youkai," but the original meaning of "fairy" is closer to the concept of youkai.
A pixie is a specific type of fairy, although what type it is depends on who and where you ask. Old-school pixies were said to be invisible, and either tiny or near-human-sized depending on who you asked. They were sometimes said to be helpful, though other people believed they would steal children away. They might punish or reward humans, or take their horses out for rides and tangle their manes for the lulz.
Today, both the words "fairy" and "pixie" are often associated with tiny wingaling humanoids. Exactly how this creature came to be is a long story - hang in there!
In the old days, fairies could be good, bad, or neutral, and very often fickle. Families were careful never to speak ill of them, lest they incur their wrath upon the household. Stories were told of fairies, of course, many of whom wanted to devour little children or did nasty things to unsuspecting people. (Some of whom did deserve it.)
But as time went on and the world became more civilized, old folklore was often cleaned up and sanitized for the increasingly delicate sensibilities of the people. You might hear people talk about how the "original Grimms' Brothers versions were sooooooo much better than those stupid Disney versions!" but even those weren't the original - they are sanitized versions of even bloodier stories that came before, so even then people were already engaging in what you might call "Disneyfication."
By the Victorian era, most nasty elements of old folklore had been cleaned up. Fairies, which by this point were often thought of as malignant, were re-imagined as small, delicate humanoids with wings. These creatures became what most people would think of when hearing the words "fairy" or "pixie."
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:33 pm
oh...wow...lots of info I didn't know.
there are a lot of things i haven't hear of in your list of fairies 0.o
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:39 pm
NOWAI. D: I thought just about everybody was familiar with the fairies I listed. I guess you'd better get researching, then. Here are a couple of sites that might give you a taste of old-fashioned fairies. http://www.irelandseye.com/animation/intro.htmlhttp://www.pitt.edu/~dash/folktexts.html Now, I will warn you - you might want to be careful about Wiccan pages on fairies. One page, rather than providing authentic folklore, seemed more interested in shoehorning different fairies into a Wiccan worldview. Apparently, Faery Wicca is full of this kind of thing. The Wikipedia article on Faery Wicca has some links that call these people out on their shenanigans.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:16 pm
Sorry to necro this, but I couldn't resist. You're absolutely right. I actually looked at Faerie Wicca for a while, but the trouble is, I actually know quite a few of those old legends. While Tolkien did wonders for faeries, he really did open the door for the whole "elves are happy, singing fantasy hippie" thing. If you want to see a more accurate depiction, albeit in an extremely fantasy setting, I recommend Terry Pratchett's Lords and Ladies. Particularly the "Elves are..." paragraph. You'll never look at the words terrific and glamourous the same way again.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:09 am
None of our threads ever quite die......hehehe
Anyone see the movie "Labyrinth"? The fairies in that, while being the Victorian Tinkerbell type, are actually nasty biting things - when the character Hoggle is introduced he is running around gleefully using an insect fogger to get rid of the fairies.
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:58 am
I saw that. whee
It should also be noted, however, that the "nasty" fairies may not have necessarily been the "original" fairies. When Catholicism came to Europe, they were faced with trying to sort out how many of the Europeans' beliefs fit into their theology. Their explanations were that fairies were unbaptized souls, fallen angels or demigods, or demons. As a result, many of them were seen more negatively and were feared more. Certainly some were always malevolent, but exactly how many of them were seen as malevolent and to what extent is a bit foggy.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:33 am
Hmmmm, at this rate I'm going to go get out the folklore books. I know that a non-posting member of this guild has an original-text (not for children) Brothers Grimm that might have a fairy story or two to pass along.
I wonder how much we have lost, glossed over and renamed by, as Yanueh brought up, successive waves of people who were seeking to impose a new religious order. I would think that it is worse than most of your lore coming from books stored in someone's basement in Iceland (and written out by a non-believer to boot).
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:14 pm
havenne17 Hmmmm, at this rate I'm going to go get out the folklore books. I know that a non-posting member of this guild has an original-text (not for children) Brothers Grimm that might have a fairy story or two to pass along. The Brothers Grimm versions of the stories are actually heavily edited and sanitized. You want to go farther back. Try this site.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:49 am
Yanueh, has anyone written a good essay on the rationale for the shift of folktales from their original/earliest state to the modern conception of fairytale, and the accompanying 'sanitizing', as you put it? How/Why did they go from adult content to children's bedtime story?
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:45 pm
Yanueh I saw that. whee It should also be noted, however, that the "nasty" fairies may not have necessarily been the "original" fairies. When Catholicism came to Europe, they were faced with trying to sort out how many of the Europeans' beliefs fit into their theology. Their explanations were that fairies were unbaptized souls, fallen angels or demigods, or demons. As a result, many of them were seen more negatively and were feared more. Certainly some were always malevolent, but exactly how many of them were seen as malevolent and to what extent is a bit foggy. I've seen some pretty nasty things out there, and heard stories from others that agree that there are some things whether you call them faeries or spirits or what have you that are not particularly pleasant. I once had something that looked rather like a crimson semi transparent ferret try to follow my dogs into the house. I had an immediate feeling of discomfort and slammed the sliding door shut before it could cross the threshold and it vanished against the glass. Later that night I heard a crashing/crunching sound from the basement and I'm fairly sure the benevolent creature that lives there in the winter... ate it. I'm of the opinion that our morality vs. the morality of the fae is sometimes just completely at odds.
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