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 Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:12 am
What are your views in regards to chops to the neck (side or back) or throat in a self-defense situation? As deadly as those shots can be, do you feel they should be taught?
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:43 am
Martial arts were made to survive, and to a greater extent, to be a better, more disciplined person. Killing in self-defense is to survive so if you need to learn techniques that can kill in order to survive, then so be it. I mean, I'm not saying to just go around and shuto uchi someone in the neck, that's murder, I'm saying that if you had to kill someone in self defense just by using a shuto uchi, then be glad that you were taught it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:28 pm
Nikku Momochi Martial arts were made to survive, and to a greater extent, to be a better, more disciplined person. Killing in self-defense is to survive so if you need to learn techniques that can kill in order to survive, then so be it. I mean, I'm not saying to just go around and shuto uchi someone in the neck, that's murder, I'm saying that if you had to kill someone in self defense just by using a shuto uchi, then be glad that you were taught it. I basically agree with this. I just think that systems need to be careful nowadays to not teach these moves to newbies. Like we should be talking about people at least in the intermediate range who are in it for the art not the moves
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:24 am
of course, what ever it takes for you to protect yourself and your loved ones. you do not know the other person's intentions beyond hurting you at a minimum, so you should do everything in your power to stop them.
now, if their already on the ground in a fetal position, and then you do it, that would be inappropriate.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:07 pm
For me thats a big no no, you don't need to be a medic to know that area of the body is purdy delicute, anyway people in martial arts shuld know how to put em down using pretty basic moves, at least thats wat my sensei said
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:30 pm
XCLuke For me thats a big no no, you don't need to be a medic to know that area of the body is purdy delicute, anyway people in martial arts shuld know how to put em down using pretty basic moves, at least thats wat my sensei said But what if you can't? Then you'll must likely end up dead.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:43 am
XCLuke For me thats a big no no, you don't need to be a medic to know that area of the body is purdy delicute, anyway people in martial arts shuld know how to put em down using pretty basic moves, at least thats wat my sensei said Sure, in a straight-up fist fight I would never chop someone in the throat or neck. BUT, if in a life or death self-defense situation, I wouldn't hesitate. A good martial artist knows the appropriate amount of force to use in any given situation.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:42 am
in my dojo, we train to think of the other person's well being as soon as our own is secured, and that whatever force we deem necessary to win is fine. if some one attacks you, you don't know if their goal is just to rough you up, or put you in the hospital, or to kill you. in such a situation, it's in your own best interest to assume the worst.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:05 am
sekchi-toguchi in my dojo, we train to think of the other person's well being as soon as our own is secured, and that whatever force we deem necessary to win is fine. if some one attacks you, you don't know if their goal is just to rough you up, or put you in the hospital, or to kill you. in such a situation, it's in your own best interest to assume the worst. That's why a good martial artist will use the appropriate amount of force for the given situation, using deadly force if the situation escalates to that point. The more skilled we get, the more we should be able to gauge the level of force required to end it. In the end, we will do what is necessary to end the confrontation. What is the true purpose of self-defense? To create an opportunity to escape. Sounds like a new thread!
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:03 pm
"I shall excercise restraint in the use of my karate knowledge only employing it in fair competition or in defence of my life my family or my country."
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:36 am
WhirlingWarrior sekchi-toguchi in my dojo, we train to think of the other person's well being as soon as our own is secured, and that whatever force we deem necessary to win is fine. if some one attacks you, you don't know if their goal is just to rough you up, or put you in the hospital, or to kill you. in such a situation, it's in your own best interest to assume the worst. That's why a good martial artist will use the appropriate amount of force for the given situation, using deadly force if the situation escalates to that point. The more skilled we get, the more we should be able to gauge the level of force required to end it. In the end, we will do what is necessary to end the confrontation. What is the true purpose of self-defense? To create an opportunity to escape. Sounds like a new thread! why give the situation the chance to escalate? no matter your martial arts skill, you cannot judge a persons' intent. and if you match their force, it will become a fight of attrition, and it will come down to who ever tires first. maybe it's just me and my ego, but if you think you have the right to attempt to harm me at all, you deserve what ever consequence i can think up. if you push me me, i don't know if your intent is to attack, or just intimidate, and as far as the law is concerned a push is assault, and i can there fore defend myself, so i will happily punch you in the face. again that shove/push didn't specifically endanger me, but why allow the person to get the confidence to endanger me? put an end to a situation before it escalates. if they're talking crap, ignore them and walk away, if they touch in an aggressive and unwanted manner, then stop it there, but don't let a situation have the chance to escalate beyond you receiving mild injury, if it does, then you have failed in defending yourself.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:54 pm
I think the chop to the neck is a wonderful thing.
I have actually used this on somebody before. It stunned them enough that I could get away, but it did not injure them. I was proud of myself that I had used that to get out of the situation. So I would definitely say, use it if you have to.
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