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 Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:09 pm
i created this same topic in my own guild, but i'm looking for all different sorts of ideas here.
I'm looking to see if i can find the root of the myth that martial artists at some point have to register their hands as deadly weapons, and try to come to a logical conclusion of why people seem to be stupid enough to believe it.
Reasons the Myth is complete BS-
1. If your hands were registered as deadly weapons, or any sort of weapon (like theres any other) then you wouldn't be allowed to enter any government building(court house, town hall, police station, etc.) or any air port, or any other establishment that doesn't allow weapons on their premises.
2. Last time i checked, a weapon was an object, and body parts that are currently functional and attached to your body limbs, not counted as independent objects.
3. It's not the hands that are dangerous, it's the knowledge, therefore it's not your hands you would have to register, it's your mind. (your hands will be more or less the exact same as everyone else's, maybe bigger, smaller, rougher, smoother...less fingers? But in the end they'll still look the same)
ok, now then any one have any ideas why people can't come up with these same simply logical points when they hear that BS? Or how this whole thing got started?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:07 pm
Ok, this is actually the first time ive heard this but I allready knew as I started reading that it could not be true. A weapon is 'an instrument used in fighting' and the instruments definition is 'a mechanical device or tool'. I dont give a s**t what anybody says a hand is not a mechanical tool. So in this stupid technical stuff that the law just loves to use, it cannot be a registered weapon.
It was probably started by someone trying to be badass to a bunch of stupid wanker anyway.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:14 pm
DibluSTR Ok, this is actually the first time ive heard this but I allready knew as I started reading that it could not be true. A weapon is 'an instrument used in fighting' and the instruments definition is 'a mechanical device or tool'. I dont give a s**t what anybody says a hand is not a mechanical tool. So in this stupid technical stuff that the law just loves to use, it cannot be a registered weapon.
It was probably started by someone trying to be badass to a bunch of stupid wanker anyway. i used to work retail, (first time heard this irl, not in a movie or anything) and i was talking to a lady that said her grandson trained karate, and that after you get your nidan(2nd degree black belt) there you have to register your hands AND feet as deadly weapons, since i was working on the clock, i let it go, and i was talking to some coworkers later, and one of them tried to tell me the stores maintenance guy was registered....guess what, he walked by, so i asked him he laughed and said no. i actually think it was a movie or TV show that started it, since up until about a year and a half ago i never heard it IRL, and only on TV. but like u said, the second you started reading you knew it was BS so why can't others?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:46 pm
Because they like to feel cool.
Stupid wankers.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:35 pm
sekchi-toguchi i created this same topic in my own guild, but i'm looking for all different sorts of ideas here. I'm looking to see if i can find the root of the myth that martial artists at some point have to register their hands as deadly weapons, and try to come to a logical conclusion of why people seem to be stupid enough to believe it. Reasons the Myth is complete BS- 1. If your hands were registered as deadly weapons, or any sort of weapon (like theres any other) then you wouldn't be allowed to enter any government building(court house, town hall, police station, etc.) or any air port, or any other establishment that doesn't allow weapons on their premises. 2. Last time i checked, a weapon was an object, and body parts that are currently functional and attached to your body limbs, not counted as independent objects. 3. It's not the hands that are dangerous, it's the knowledge, therefore it's not your hands you would have to register, it's your mind. (your hands will be more or less the exact same as everyone else's, maybe bigger, smaller, rougher, smoother...less fingers? But in the end they'll still look the same) ok, now then any one have any ideas why people can't come up with these same simply logical points when they hear that BS? Or how this whole thing got started? Well, you don't necessarily need to register your hands. But, once you've reached 10th degree black belt, you have to register yourself as such. Because by that time, you can literally kill a man with your bare hands with very little effort.
On a related note, I become a third degree black belt in a month! biggrin
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:00 am
Sayge Kitsune sekchi-toguchi i created this same topic in my own guild, but i'm looking for all different sorts of ideas here. I'm looking to see if i can find the root of the myth that martial artists at some point have to register their hands as deadly weapons, and try to come to a logical conclusion of why people seem to be stupid enough to believe it. Reasons the Myth is complete BS- 1. If your hands were registered as deadly weapons, or any sort of weapon (like theres any other) then you wouldn't be allowed to enter any government building(court house, town hall, police station, etc.) or any air port, or any other establishment that doesn't allow weapons on their premises. 2. Last time i checked, a weapon was an object, and body parts that are currently functional and attached to your body limbs, not counted as independent objects. 3. It's not the hands that are dangerous, it's the knowledge, therefore it's not your hands you would have to register, it's your mind. (your hands will be more or less the exact same as everyone else's, maybe bigger, smaller, rougher, smoother...less fingers? But in the end they'll still look the same) ok, now then any one have any ideas why people can't come up with these same simply logical points when they hear that BS? Or how this whole thing got started? Well, you don't necessarily need to register your hands. But, once you've reached 10th degree black belt, you have to register yourself as such. Because by that time, you can literally kill a man with your bare hands with very little effort.
On a related note, I become a third degree black belt in a month! biggrin If what you're saying is true then why aren't military personel registerd, they can kill with their bare hands, heck I can do that, just gotta hit right, . Plus how did you get a third degree blackbelt in a month, at some kind of McDojo?
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:53 am
Holy rasheed13 Sayge Kitsune sekchi-toguchi i created this same topic in my own guild, but i'm looking for all different sorts of ideas here. I'm looking to see if i can find the root of the myth that martial artists at some point have to register their hands as deadly weapons, and try to come to a logical conclusion of why people seem to be stupid enough to believe it. Reasons the Myth is complete BS- 1. If your hands were registered as deadly weapons, or any sort of weapon (like theres any other) then you wouldn't be allowed to enter any government building(court house, town hall, police station, etc.) or any air port, or any other establishment that doesn't allow weapons on their premises. 2. Last time i checked, a weapon was an object, and body parts that are currently functional and attached to your body limbs, not counted as independent objects. 3. It's not the hands that are dangerous, it's the knowledge, therefore it's not your hands you would have to register, it's your mind. (your hands will be more or less the exact same as everyone else's, maybe bigger, smaller, rougher, smoother...less fingers? But in the end they'll still look the same) ok, now then any one have any ideas why people can't come up with these same simply logical points when they hear that BS? Or how this whole thing got started? Well, you don't necessarily need to register your hands. But, once you've reached 10th degree black belt, you have to register yourself as such. Because by that time, you can literally kill a man with your bare hands with very little effort.
On a related note, I become a third degree black belt in a month! biggrin If what you're saying is true then why aren't military personel registerd, they can kill with their bare hands, heck I can do that, just gotta hit right, and I'm 15. Plus how did you get a third degree blackbelt in a month, at some kind of McDojo? Military personel do have to register. If they kill someone as a civilian not on duty, they will be sent to prison, even if in self defense. You want to know why? Because they have the caability to kill most people with ease.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:39 pm
Sayge Kitsune sekchi-toguchi i created this same topic in my own guild, but i'm looking for all different sorts of ideas here. I'm looking to see if i can find the root of the myth that martial artists at some point have to register their hands as deadly weapons, and try to come to a logical conclusion of why people seem to be stupid enough to believe it. Reasons the Myth is complete BS- 1. If your hands were registered as deadly weapons, or any sort of weapon (like theres any other) then you wouldn't be allowed to enter any government building(court house, town hall, police station, etc.) or any air port, or any other establishment that doesn't allow weapons on their premises. 2. Last time i checked, a weapon was an object, and body parts that are currently functional and attached to your body limbs, not counted as independent objects. 3. It's not the hands that are dangerous, it's the knowledge, therefore it's not your hands you would have to register, it's your mind. (your hands will be more or less the exact same as everyone else's, maybe bigger, smaller, rougher, smoother...less fingers? But in the end they'll still look the same) ok, now then any one have any ideas why people can't come up with these same simply logical points when they hear that BS? Or how this whole thing got started? Well, you don't necessarily need to register your hands. But, once you've reached 10th degree black belt, you have to register yourself as such. Because by that time, you can literally kill a man with your bare hands with very little effort.
On a related note, I become a third degree black belt in a month! biggrin no u don't have to register yourself. go into your local police station, and tell the police you would like to register yourself as a deadly weapon. and you don't for the same reasons above. if u are a registered weapon, you won't be allowed in schools, public libraries, air ports or any other building that has it posted that weapons aren't allowed.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:41 pm
Sayge Kitsune Holy rasheed13 Sayge Kitsune sekchi-toguchi i created this same topic in my own guild, but i'm looking for all different sorts of ideas here. I'm looking to see if i can find the root of the myth that martial artists at some point have to register their hands as deadly weapons, and try to come to a logical conclusion of why people seem to be stupid enough to believe it. Reasons the Myth is complete BS- 1. If your hands were registered as deadly weapons, or any sort of weapon (like theres any other) then you wouldn't be allowed to enter any government building(court house, town hall, police station, etc.) or any air port, or any other establishment that doesn't allow weapons on their premises. 2. Last time i checked, a weapon was an object, and body parts that are currently functional and attached to your body limbs, not counted as independent objects. 3. It's not the hands that are dangerous, it's the knowledge, therefore it's not your hands you would have to register, it's your mind. (your hands will be more or less the exact same as everyone else's, maybe bigger, smaller, rougher, smoother...less fingers? But in the end they'll still look the same) ok, now then any one have any ideas why people can't come up with these same simply logical points when they hear that BS? Or how this whole thing got started? Well, you don't necessarily need to register your hands. But, once you've reached 10th degree black belt, you have to register yourself as such. Because by that time, you can literally kill a man with your bare hands with very little effort.
On a related note, I become a third degree black belt in a month! biggrin If what you're saying is true then why aren't military personel registerd, they can kill with their bare hands, heck I can do that, just gotta hit right, and I'm 15. Plus how did you get a third degree blackbelt in a month, at some kind of McDojo? Military personel do have to register. If they kill someone as a civilian not on duty, they will be sent to prison, even if in self defense. You want to know why? Because they have the caability to kill most people with ease. the laws are no stricter for military personnel off duty than for a regular civilian, with a few minor exceptions, and what you are suggesting is that a trail would get totally bypassed. oh and by the by, regular air force and navy personnel receive almost no H2H training, army personnel receives a little, and marines receive the most basic, the only time military personnel receive extensive H2H combat training is in some sort of special forces, when you need to learn to kill quietly, and even they are allowed to have a fair trail by their peers as guaranteed by US law. i know, shihan roseberry of my organization was a marine 9th dan, i have trained w/ 2 or 3 other marines, a friend just came back from army basic, and my ex's parents are both ex-navy, so i know what kind of training was given.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:51 pm
word for word from my copy of webster's dictionary (admittly a few years old)
weapon- a thing used for fighting, such as a club, sword, gun, or bomb.
a rather crappy definition, but what that is saying an inanimate object, used for violence, our bodies our animate objects, thus by definition eliminating us from being weapons, and believe me the law loves definitions.
now if you picked up a severed arm or leg, then that would be a weapon, possibly a deadly one, but you as a martial artist, have no legal, or moral obligation to mark yourself as anything special.
and there are a ton of self proclaimed grand-masters, and people who are 10th dans in their own made up style of martial arts, who are worse fighters than your average bar room brawlers.
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:50 am
DibluSTR Ok, this is actually the first time ive heard this but I allready knew as I started reading that it could not be true. A weapon is 'an instrument used in fighting' and the instruments definition is 'a mechanical device or tool'. I dont give a s**t what anybody says a hand is not a mechanical tool. So in this stupid technical stuff that the law just loves to use, it cannot be a registered weapon.
It was probably started by someone trying to be badass to a bunch of stupid wanker anyway. Yes. but when you follow classical martial art with a tight a** you are mechanical. so technically.... cool some people are weapons...
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