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 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:40 pm
yes, the title is a parody of “The People vs Larry Flint”
Everyone was against him and everyone is against Shiho apparently.
As I watched and re-watched the series, I've come to like every single character to some extent... But Shiho has always been one of my favorites.
I find very unfair the treatment she receives because she's not the one who's done the worst..
Let's compare her to *picks two random characters out of a hat (not a joke, I cut the papers and all)*
Yukariko and Nao.
Quick overview of Yukariko Sananda's character and deeds.
Prior to the carnival: 1-16
character:
She's portrayed as a very loving character at first, she seems absolutely sure of the good path ("pray and you'll stop seeing things you can't control with your overwhelming youth~ ^_^" ep3). She does not blame and forgives all. Your typical nun. She starts being unstable when Watari Ishigami seduces her and probably thought -at first, at least- that the power of HiMEs were a curse from God for having looked away from him. She's very lost.
actions:
Yukariko is innocent until here. She accidentally hurt Aoi when attacking the vampire orphan, but that's pretty much it. She didn't even take part in fighting back the Searrs army.
During the carnival:17-24 (her death)
character:
She's shown to us as someone sad, unsure and seeking the (her) truth. It's easy to sympathize with her, have pity of such a kind and innocent character. We somehow overlooked all the responsibility she has....
actions:
- She obeyed Ishigami's orders, knowing very well that it was wrong.
- She's the one who *really* started the carnival.
- She framed Nao and turned everyone against her.
- She trapped Akira and Takumi in the forest... if not for that, they could have survived longer.
- Unexpectedly and unwillingly, as a result of the illusion in the forest, she turned Mai against Mikoto.
- She attacked Ishigami, declaring that her form of love was hurting the others
- She would have killed Mai in the church, not Kagutsuchi but Mai herself, if Tate didn't save her in time from Vlas.
- She burnt down the church and killed both Ishigami and herself
After the carnival:26
character:
She reverts back to what she originally was: "God will forgive you." She gained confidence in herself again to finally choose what she wants.
actions:
Besides scolding Nao, Miyu and Alyssa for scaring people out of the church... none.
Next.
Quick overview of Nao Yuuki's character and deeds.
Prior to the carnival: 1-16
character:
First thing, she's shown faking innocence and tricking most everyone. It's quickly established that she's a very strong, independent and wild character. Though if one pays attention, it's obvious she's hiding something. (ep7. about love: *gets angry* "what would you know [about me (implied)]??" *makes her exit*)
actions: (I know some of them aren't so bad but I still need to list them. I can't over look little things like skipping school for Nao if I take note of Shiho being jealous of Mai's chest.)
- Attacks and robs who she believes deserves it. Keep in mind though that she was the one who approached them and lured them by making them believe she was willing. Are those guys really that bad?
We disregard that aspect and immediately take Nao’s side because we don’t know those guys and Nao is cool anyways. But what if it was a HiME or a character we know she lured like that? What if it had been (for the sake of making my point) Chie she made believe she wanted sex just to have a reason to assault and rob her? I don’t think people would have liked Nao as much. It’s simply that we don’t care about who she attacks.
- Why everyone overlooks she would have killed Mikoto in ep7 if Reito didn't save the poor girl is beyond me. Nao knew the risks when she decided to make the building collapse.
- She manages to completely traumatize Yukariko with her stories.
- She skips school and disobeys the rules established by the student council (she still went out when the vampire was around)
During the carnival:17-24 (her loss)
character:
Nao declares that if she is attacked she will fight, making herself the perfect target to be framed. Especially since she's known to be a bad girl. Myself, I believe Nao wouldn't have fought if she weren’t framed in the first place. We see and very much understand why she's angry with the others. We see and understand why she moved on from attacking Natsuki to targeting Shizuru. We learn exactly why she became the way she is, sympathize because she went through a lot and suffered. It’s heartbreaking when she cries ‘Mama’ in ep24.
actions:
- She went to the hospital to kidnap a sick Takumi in order to hurt Mai. (what was that about Shiho being a child prostitute because she would kill your brother if she considered you a threat?) It’s not even about defending oneself here, it’s purely for the sake of hurting Mai.
- She tracked down Akira for what purpose you think? At the point she was as, I don’t think she just wanted to scare them anymore. If it hadn’t been for Midori, Nao would have been the one responsible for Takumi’s death.
- She directly attacked Natsuki for revenge, making her crash and threatening to take out her eye. Who knows what would have happened if not for Shizuru?
- She trashed Natsuki’s apartment and captured her again. As a bait this time.
- She was angry with Shizuru too now and wanted to hurt her. What better way of doing that was there than talking out her child? Especially since she now knew that it was Natsuki who would die. Two stones in one.
After the carnival:26
character:
In appearance she is the same (detached air and calling just about everything ‘stupid’), but some hints points that the carnival helped her grow. Repenting by becoming a sister or showing herself to the group gathering without having been dragged there for example.
actions:
- Traumatsing students?
Don’t get me wrong; I like Nao a lot. I just think she overrated because she was a show off bad girl.
Point is... is Shiho really that bad, considering what's written up there?
Anyways... Next. I will elaborate more for her since she’s the point of the topic.
Overview of Shiho Munakata's character and deeds.
Prior to the carnival: 1-16
actions: it’s needed first >.o (about everything she did is emotional…)
- Kept pointing out she was jealous of Mai’s chest. (do we really care? She’s obsessed with that in Otome too)
- Asked Mai to cheer for her and Tate. Was it really selfish, since Mai assured her she wasn’t interested?
- Gave out many hints to Tate that she was interested in more
- Deliberately said in front of Tate that Mai said she would cheer for them
- Tells Mai she should be giving herself to Searrs army so that the whole school doesn’t have to suffer. It’s an understandable thought, especially if we consider she’s just been attacked by an orphan, learned that there would be no orphans if there were no HiME and that the school is occupied because of them. To top it all, she’s angry with Mai.
- She was attacked and took advantage of it to get Tate’s attention.
character:
Shiho is very, very childish and very, very in love with Tate. First episodes she’s pretty much always smiling and laughing. When she does gets angry or reacts to something it’s very much in a comic way (ep.1- 10:11). Slowly, we start to see how would like Tate to see her as an adult (pointing out how she’s ‘growing’) and, though she does have a childish ‘iiiiaaaaa~’ after having thought of that, she thinks she’s ready to give herself to him. As time passes, we see her worried about Mai and Tate’s relation… it’s really for no reason at first.
She seems to like Mai up to ep13, she’s genuinely happy to see her in the beginning of the episode.
Same episode, she’s really hurt by Tate still calling her a kid and reacts. Unfortunately, they’re interrupted by Mai’s voice; she was talking to Reito. Shiho sees there that Tate is in love with Mai and Mai with Tate. She feels betrayed and hurt that they both lied to her about their feelings, fooling her in believing that she still had a chance.
She was too in love with Tate to blame him, so she obviously rejected it on Mai. She came along and stole Tate from her, she lied to her about everything. It’s not rational, but that’s what love does. It blinds you.
She’s unaware of her status as a HiME
During the carnival:17-24 (her loss)
actions:
- Made Tate kiss her in front of Mai
- Attacks Mai repeatedly
- Defeats Akira to hurt Mai
- Decides, once she learns she’s a HiME, to directly confront Mai and kill her if needed be.
character:
In hospital, Shiho decided to take advantage of the opportunity to spend time with Tate, try and win him over. Granted it was sneaky… but what would you do? She’s childish; of course she likes to get spoiled by the one she loves.
The scene like the one when she made Tate kiss her in front of Mai… what was the point exactly? She asked it as a proof that he wasn’t taking her of her out of pity. She said she wanted to see his true heart. So… was it to force Tate to choose between her and Mai because she had had enough? Or to make Mai give up on Tate by making her believe he chose Shiho? Or simply hurt Mai? Mai had hurt her too after all… and isn’t all is fair in love and war?
Shiho has been in love with him for years and supported him through everything. She stood by Tate when no one would approach him. She saw Mai come out of thin air and steal Tate’s heart in a few weeks. Shiho had Tate blatantly lie to her about seeing Mai in ep17. He came to see her and yet all he thought about was Mai. She had him promise to meet her where they met, she went out when she was still weak, under the rain and he never showed up. And what does she learn? He’s with Mai. Once again, what would you do? Give up like that on your most precious or fight?
When Tate saw Mai and Shiho asked what was wrong, he said “nothing”. She was disappointed and then angry. I think that at that point, what she really wanted was the truth.
That’s why I don’t think she really understood the extent of her actions. I don’t think she truly realized the impact it would have on both Tate and Mai… Her moments of childishness (see ep15) weren’t a façade she put on. Somewhere, she wasn’t mature enough to deal with her jealousy and I think that though she knew she was jealous, she didn’t realize what she did. In ep20, she GLARES and Tate asks her what’s wrong… and she wakes up, not even knowing she was glaring. As a reflection of that, all her attacks were subconscious. Shiho was never there in person; she attacked as a ghost during her sleep. Her child must have understood her jealousy and acted on impulse of that. She always woke up not remembering anything.
Lastly, in episode 24, she learns and somehow remembers what she did. She goes and confront them, angry. She asks if everything was a lie. She blames Mai. And then the carnival apparently gets to her. She goes crazy just like Shizuru did. She had a moment of lucidity when she put the scarf around Tate’s neck and she loses.
After the carnival:26
actions:
- Still tries to win Tate
character:
Though she still didn’t give up, she kinda matured. She understands that what she did was wrong (as they fly to the HiME star, she asks if she’s allowed here) and fights openly for Tate. She goes back to her status of comic relief to me though, with her snake-hair and kungfu. She somewhat resembles what she became in Mai Otome.
Most people don’t realize it, but they didn’t like Shiho because it was Mai she targeted.
If Shiho had, like Nao, decided to hurt figurants of the show, no one would have cared. I could even go as far as to say that if it was a character that was no more than a name and only a few appearances that would have stolen Tate from her, people would have cheered for her. Gone something like ‘who does that character think she is? Shiho was there first!’. Because we don’t care about that character, Shiho would have been likable by not attacking someone we liked.
Thing is, the authors portrayed her in a way that was not flattering at all. Everything was against her:
- To begin with, jealousy is an emotion that though we can’t stop ourselves from feeling, is very looked down upon. People didn’t want to sympathize with her.
- Little scenes like her sneaky glares and frowns weren’t necessary, but they chose to put it there so you’d dislike her and take up for Mai.
- Lots of people found her physique (mostly her hair) weird.
- She was never as selfless as Mai
- She was never as kind as Yukino and Fumi
- She was never as cool as Natsuki, Shizuru or Nao
- She was never as cute as Mikoto or Alyssa
- She was never portrayed in a way you could sympathize, like Yukariko or Nao
I could go on like that for quite long… Shiho never had anything for her. She went unnoticed and misunderstood.
And so I chose to like the character. Maybe also because I’m a jealous person and went through similar stuff. Feeling left out and all.
I’ll post in the parental issues later, I’m exhausted after this >.o
I'm also too tiered to re-read if that makes sense -_-
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:41 pm
Well, I found that really interesting, and I do agree that Shiho isn't the slimiest character in the show, not by far.
*coffFatherGlearcoff*
I don't particularly like her, but I can sympathize.
Why I really posted, though, is to see if you could do writeups like these for the other HiME's as well, and maybe include admirable traits as well.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:24 pm
wow, I'm glad someone read through all that ^^
I believe Shiho is one of the most innocent characters. In a topic on shoujoai.com, someone came up with a small list of all the character's infractions... I tried to complete it once but I stopped. I think I may finish it and post it up here, just for the sake of it. Shiho was just very much designed as the character everyone should hate.
I mean, what's picking Mai when one has this kind of file:
Fujino Shizuru:
- Multiple counts of first degree murder (First District)
- Accused of rape/sexual assault and battery (Natsuki)
- Volontary Manslaughter (Haruka, Nao's Mother)
- Attempted Extortion (Blackmailing) (Yukino)
- Malicious Mischief (Fuka Academy)
- Arson (First district)
- Aiding suicide (Natsuki)
- Multiple counts of assault (First District, Nao, Natsuki, Yukino)
Again, I'm not done with the compilation of Shizuru's bad deeds. I have to rewatch the series and take notes.
Anyways... to answer your question, yes, I think I could do just about anyone else. Though some characters could be pretty long.... See, I shortened Nao's and Yukariko's here because the topic was about Shiho... and I think at some point my brain got tiered so I may even have skipped things even for Shiho. (If someone thinks of something I forgot, let me know.)
If I were to do all the characters though, it could be pretty long... is there someone you'd like me to write about first? :/
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:02 pm
Very nice thread. (: Those reasons do make her a easily hateable character.
Maybe not so relevant, but I also hated the nun, shizuru, and nao while watching the series. I actually remember wanting Shizuru's head on a stick. >_>; Shiho was one of the characters I felt bad for for quite a while, I felt bad for her right up until she went to confront Mai actually. She was highly annoying before then, but I didn't hate her. Part of my dislike for her I know comes from my fangirlism of Mikoto, and when we found out that Shiho was the thing that actually killed Takumi, and then was the target for Mikoto's attack to piss Mai off AGAIN, well that was irrational dislike xP A good reason? No. But I know that was a major factor.
Like you said the reason Nao is liked is because of her cool factor, and because her tale is heartbreaking. Shiho on the other hand is very hateable because she acts just as selfishly (maybe without realizing it, but it's still distasteful, she is actually old enough where she should be well past such things, she's old enough and shows she has developed the highest level of moral reasoningSays kohlberg. XD ) but has had someone there to care for her. Tate, even though has not cared for her in the light she has wanted, does indeed care. She is unnappreciative of his feelings, and as much as I didn't like Tate, that made me want to tie her hair in knots. Nao didn't have such a person in her life. She honestly had no one, and the few friends she had shakey relationships with as far as she knew had tried to kill her. (thanks to that stupid nun ):<) Soo that's a big reason I didn't like her.
As for comparing her to Shizuru, I have a hard time with that, because I DID hate Shizuru thru the whole last half of the show. It wasn't till around episode 24 and mucho discussion that it crossed my mind the crap she was dealing with Not to mention I realized she's the character I resemble most ahahah >_>; that I came to not hate her but be intrigued and sympathized. Shiho never had this connection for me, she always seemed like a spoiled brat that had things and ordered it away because it wasn't good enough. She didn't have the kindness, the cute, the selflessness, but she had things in the sense of people who cared for her which was a big thing in this series.
Of course, the biggest part for any character's likeability is personal preference. (: Er, and on that note sorry for insulting the character with meany words. I couldn't think of other descriptions gonk ;
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:29 pm
yukino might be interesting...she's undeniably kind, but at the same time she's very weak, and she resorts to really cowardly, sneaky ways of dealing with people.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:46 am
By the end of My-Hime I stopped hating her.
In My Otome, I hate her again.
It's not because she does bad things. It's because she is hopelessly annoying and irritating. At first, it looks as if she has no real motivation to speak of, and it's very hard to relate to her character.
I think she had a lot more character depth near the end of the first series though.
I personally never liked Nao that much in the first series. I care that she was setting guys up, even if they're not characters I care for, per se.
I believe a little bit of perversion is natural, and well... if the young school girl is going to be that much of a prostitue, it's much more her fault than the guys she's luring in, who's pretty much just giving in to natural urges.
I don't really care what the intentions of the men she lured were, because it's obvious that they didn't lure her in to a back alley to rape her. She lured them.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:03 pm
Korrin By the end of My-Hime I stopped hating her. In My Otome, I hate her again. It's not because she does bad things. It's because she is hopelessly annoying and irritating. At first, it looks as if she has no real motivation to speak of, and it's very hard to relate to her character. I think she had a lot more character depth near the end of the first series though. I personally never liked Nao that much in the first series. I care that she was setting guys up, even if they're not characters I care for, per se. I believe a little bit of perversion is natural, and well... if the young school girl is going to be that much of a prostitue, it's much more her fault than the guys she's luring in, who's pretty much just giving in to natural urges. I don't really care what the intentions of the men she lured were, because it's obvious that they didn't lure her in to a back alley to rape her. She lured them. Well it's not really like waving steak in front of a dog and then beating him when he tries to eat it. Yes we all have urges but as humans we should control them, especially THOSE kinds of urges. She shouldn't have lured them but they shouldn't have bitten either.
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:06 pm
eggy_yockio Korrin By the end of My-Hime I stopped hating her. In My Otome, I hate her again. It's not because she does bad things. It's because she is hopelessly annoying and irritating. At first, it looks as if she has no real motivation to speak of, and it's very hard to relate to her character. I think she had a lot more character depth near the end of the first series though. I personally never liked Nao that much in the first series. I care that she was setting guys up, even if they're not characters I care for, per se. I believe a little bit of perversion is natural, and well... if the young school girl is going to be that much of a prostitue, it's much more her fault than the guys she's luring in, who's pretty much just giving in to natural urges. I don't really care what the intentions of the men she lured were, because it's obvious that they didn't lure her in to a back alley to rape her. She lured them. Well it's not really like waving steak in front of a dog and then beating him when he tries to eat it. Yes we all have urges but as humans we should control them, especially THOSE kinds of urges. She shouldn't have lured them but they should have bitten either. Concur'd. And it's not like she's sexing them up and THEN robbing them. Her entire act is to test their humanity. Not that she's right in doing so, but those guys are still pretty scumy too.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:58 am
oh god, crazy sausage?! she's a nut. especially for being interested in TATERS. gonk However...
norah: you know what though
norah: shiho
norah: was pretty cool
norah: when she was a hime
norah: she was like
me: yeah she was
me: all blanketed
norah: !_____________________! SOMEONES GUNNA DIE
me: and she said disappear
norah: LOL
me: that was hella tight
norah: esp. because it was
norah: directed
norah: at
norah: mai
me: LOL
me: LOLOLAOWLREA
me: YES
norah: LOL
me: HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH
norah: shiho fanclub:
me: +2 members
norah: because we all need to hate mai together
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:02 am
a snorlaxx oh god, crazy sausage?! she's a nut. especially for being interested in TATERS. gonk However...
norah: you know what though
norah: shiho
norah: was pretty cool
norah: when she was a hime
norah: she was like
me: yeah she was
me: all blanketed
norah: !_____________________! SOMEONES GUNNA DIE
me: and she said disappear
norah: LOL
me: that was hella tight
norah: esp. because it was
norah: directed
norah: at
norah: mai
me: LOL
me: LOLOLAOWLREA
me: YES
norah: LOL
me: HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH
norah: shiho fanclub:
me: +2 members
norah: because we all need to hate mai together Andd now I see Shiho in a different light. If Shiho looked badass, she would have had more fans. Let's give her a makeover. twisted twisted twisted twisted
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:23 am
die! die! die! a snorlaxx oh god, crazy sausage?! she's a nut. especially for being interested in TATERS. gonk However...
norah: you know what though
norah: shiho
norah: was pretty cool
norah: when she was a hime
norah: she was like
me: yeah she was
me: all blanketed
norah: !_____________________! SOMEONES GUNNA DIE
me: and she said disappear
norah: LOL
me: that was hella tight
norah: esp. because it was
norah: directed
norah: at
norah: mai
me: LOL
me: LOLOLAOWLREA
me: YES
norah: LOL
me: HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH
norah: shiho fanclub:
me: +2 members
norah: because we all need to hate mai together Andd now I see Shiho in a different light. If Shiho looked badass, she would have had more fans. Let's give her a makeover. twisted twisted twisted twisted
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:30 am
a snorlaxx die! die! die! a snorlaxx oh god, crazy sausage?! she's a nut. especially for being interested in TATERS. gonk However...
norah: you know what though
norah: shiho
norah: was pretty cool
norah: when she was a hime
norah: she was like
me: yeah she was
me: all blanketed
norah: !_____________________! SOMEONES GUNNA DIE
me: and she said disappear
norah: LOL
me: that was hella tight
norah: esp. because it was
norah: directed
norah: at
norah: mai
me: LOL
me: LOLOLAOWLREA
me: YES
norah: LOL
me: HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH
norah: shiho fanclub:
me: +2 members
norah: because we all need to hate mai together Andd now I see Shiho in a different light. If Shiho looked badass, she would have had more fans. Let's give her a makeover. twisted twisted twisted twisted AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA i agree
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:35 am
die! die! die! a snorlaxx die! die! die! a snorlaxx oh god, crazy sausage?! she's a nut. especially for being interested in TATERS. gonk However...
norah: you know what though
norah: shiho
norah: was pretty cool
norah: when she was a hime
norah: she was like
me: yeah she was
me: all blanketed
norah: !_____________________! SOMEONES GUNNA DIE
me: and she said disappear
norah: LOL
me: that was hella tight
norah: esp. because it was
norah: directed
norah: at
norah: mai
me: LOL
me: LOLOLAOWLREA
me: YES
norah: LOL
me: HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH
norah: shiho fanclub:
me: +2 members
norah: because we all need to hate mai together Andd now I see Shiho in a different light. If Shiho looked badass, she would have had more fans. Let's give her a makeover. twisted twisted twisted twisted AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA i agree
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:44 am
Yuri_shoujo eggy_yockio Korrin By the end of My-Hime I stopped hating her. In My Otome, I hate her again. It's not because she does bad things. It's because she is hopelessly annoying and irritating. At first, it looks as if she has no real motivation to speak of, and it's very hard to relate to her character. I think she had a lot more character depth near the end of the first series though. I personally never liked Nao that much in the first series. I care that she was setting guys up, even if they're not characters I care for, per se. I believe a little bit of perversion is natural, and well... if the young school girl is going to be that much of a prostitue, it's much more her fault than the guys she's luring in, who's pretty much just giving in to natural urges. I don't really care what the intentions of the men she lured were, because it's obvious that they didn't lure her in to a back alley to rape her. She lured them. Well it's not really like waving steak in front of a dog and then beating him when he tries to eat it. Yes we all have urges but as humans we should control them, especially THOSE kinds of urges. She shouldn't have lured them but they should have bitten either. Concur'd. And it's not like she's sexing them up and THEN robbing them. Her entire act is to test their humanity. Not that she's right in doing so, but those guys are still pretty scumy too.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:54 am
Korrin By the end of My-Hime I stopped hating her. In My Otome, I hate her again. It's not because she does bad things. It's because she is hopelessly annoying and irritating. At first, it looks as if she has no real motivation to speak of, and it's very hard to relate to her character. I think she had a lot more character depth near the end of the first series though. I personally never liked Nao that much in the first series. I care that she was setting guys up, even if they're not characters I care for, per se. I believe a little bit of perversion is natural, and well... if the young school girl is going to be that much of a prostitue, it's much more her fault than the guys she's luring in, who's pretty much just giving in to natural urges. I don't really care what the intentions of the men she lured were, because it's obvious that they didn't lure her in to a back alley to rape her. She lured them. She didn't lure them for money or with sexual desires. Nao was proving how disgusting men can get in her warped mind. She never gave them what they wanted, just what they deserved. And I think any man willing to pay for sexual acts from a fourteen year old deserves to be tied up and abandoned in an alley. No matter if they were lured or seeked it out, because they're still wrong for their intentions.
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