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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:56 pm

And here's why (or part of it. Can't find what I need for the rest):

Why I believe Snape loved Lily, Part 1:

Snape's Worst Memory was *not* all that bad, particularly if you believe Lupin and that same thing happened to a lot of people. It just wasn't that bad, unless something much worse happened after that Harry didn't see.

The author cannot, however, rely on things that aren't shown, so something about that whole scene must be Snape's Worst Memory because JKR hasn't ever lied to us in chapter headings before.

Now, because of the Harry-filter who do we focus on? James. Everything I've ever heard concerning that scene is about James and the other Marauders. This leads me to the conclusion that JKR is deliberatly making us see something else to distract us from what's really important.

What does our constant focus on James and how bad he was lead us away from? Lily. That is the only possible conclusion.

I don't think that Sev really wanted to call her a mudblood, but felt he had to. I do think her telling him to wash his underwear and calling him Snivellus hurt him deeply.

Also, in HBP (which has finally been returned to me while my copy of OotP has gone missing stare ) Dumbledore says:

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"But he did not know-- he had no possible way of knowing-- which boy Voldemort would hunt from then onward, or that the parents he would destroy in his murderous quest were people that Professor Snape knew, that they were your mother and father--"

Harry let out a yell of mirthless laughter.

"He hated my dad like he hated Sirius! Haven't you noticed, Professor, how the people Snape hates tend to end up dead?"

"You have no idea of the remorse Professor Snape felt when he realized how Lord Voldemort had interpreted the prophecy, Harry. I believe it to be the greatest regret of his life and the reason that he returned--"

HBP, US Edition, Page 549

Notice that Dumbledore does not say that Snape didn't hate James. He never once denyed that. He didn't even mention James after Harry did. Also note that he didn't say your parents, as is typical, or your father and mother as he tends to. No, he said your mother and father, and then Harry launches us into a rant about James. Why?

To draw us away from Lily.

Hm...makes you think doesn't it?

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:15 pm

Well, here's the problem with "Snape's Worst Memory." A little thing I like to call re-interpreting the chapter title.

Because I tend to go with the notion that what Harry saw is not necesssarily Snape's worst memory. I think it was probably one of the memories belonging to Snape that would be the worst for Harry to see. (I take a very firm pro-Red Hen line on this, and I so rarely agree totally with him).

Snape was in a tough position. Voldemort needs to access Harry. Dumbledore need to protect Harry from Voldemort's intrusion. Whether or not Snape informed Voldemort that he had been assigned to give Harry lessons, Voldemort would know this straight from Harry, as the lessons pain Harry's scar. So Snape is in a tough spot. He has two sets of orders, each of which specifically countermands the other. He's on thin ice with Voldemort, we can assume, for his tardiness on resurrection night. He needs to stop the lessons to please one master, but cannot discontinue providing them without displeasing the other.

So, I would argue that the memories that he so theatrically stows away with that showman's flourish, are bait. How many times have we heard Snape bitterly complain about Harry's curiousity, his tendency to stick his nose where it doesn't belong? And note also, that Harry's transgression during the second lesson also occurs the second time he is left alone with the Pensieve in Snape's office. It's all kinds of tricky.

The alternative, of course, is that the stashed memories were not ones he wanted Harry to see, but ones he wanted to keep from Voldemort-in Harry....

oops. Have I drawn us away from Lily? is that what you think?

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(or part of it. Can't find what I need for the rest)

what do you need for the rest? you can send us on seek-and-finds. Or am I the only sucker who gets excited by stupid assignments?

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:24 pm

I wanted to look closer at Snape's reaction, and the Mugglenet interview (which for some reason my computer won't load stare ).

I actually like that idea of it being the worst one for Harry to see because I have a different idea of what Snape's worst memory could be and I like it better.

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:04 pm

I think part of the conspiracy is that even the flashes that Harry got from his brief incursion into Snape's head were "worse" memories, nevermind whatever he did as a Death Eater...

The post HBP interview? Isn't it up on Leaky as well?

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:19 pm

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I think part of the conspiracy is that even the flashes that Harry got from his brief incursion into Snape's head were "worse" memories, nevermind whatever he did as a Death Eater...

The post HBP interview? Isn't it up on Leaky as well?

Agreed to part one. Either Snape has his priorities all screwed up or we're missing something.

Part 2: Yes, but don't ask me to navigate Leaky. I get so lost.

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:44 am

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:54 pm

Basil_Hallward, i heart you.

Jo's not being coy, she means what she says!! Ok i've agreed with the "Snape heart 's Lilly" theory for a long time but i also think that "Snape heart 's Narcissa Malfoy"

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:01 pm

I definately think Snape had feeling for Lily. I also don't think it's a coincidence that Snape and Lily were both good at potions.

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