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Viscerim

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:53 pm


Oftentimes, people examine the perceptions of children as non-sense. Adults are quick to tell children their imaginations have run away with them and there's really nothing there. The spiritual, based on recent observations, seem quick to judge children as having a poor grasp on reality. I've always thought the opposite, that adults have tunnel vision on this plane based on criticism while growing up, and that children are the ones who can look into the astral with ease. What do you think? Can a force (imagination) believed to be under complete control of our will and brains actually "run away" with us?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:44 am


I think that yes our imaginations can run away with us. When our minds create something so vivid and interesting that our reality pales in comparison it can become very seductive to spend more and more time there.
From child psychology I remember that children often have trouble controlling emotions and reining themselves back in. When you combine that with their very creative minds it can also carry them away. If, for instance, they see a chair with a large stuffed animal on it in the dark, their imagination thinks it looks like a monster, the become afraid and their imagination takes over and spins it more and feeds into the fear.
Now as the mother of a 4 year old I have had experience with this first hand. It is fairly easy to differentiate between her imagination and her actually seeing something. When she imagines things they are created by the mind therefore generated by things she has a frame of reference for. Such as the cartoons we watch, the stories we read and games we play. So it usually comes out something like talking tools because we watched Handy Manny that day. I am aware of what she has and has not been exposed to, so I know if it is something that she might be spinning. When she sees things they are usually out of that frame. Just last night she was dosing off when she woke for a moment and asked me who that black thing with the face that was standing in Aunt Kit's yard the other day. We haven't read or seen any ghost stories regarding shadows lately. (Additionally both my friend Kit and I have long been aware of the shadow guardian that roams her family's farm. However my daughter was previously unaware, and we have never spoken about him in her presence, in fact I think the last time he came up was before she was even born.) Or the monster in the middle bedroom, who according to my child is tall with dark eyes and has feather horns. (this is a Native American spirit in full regalia that is a guardian of our property, again something my brother, mom and myself have long been aware of, but haven't mentioned in years.)
Yes I think imagination can run away with us, especially young children because they have a harder time controlling their emotions, however it is rather simple to detect whether it is imagination or something else as long as the parent is open to the possible existence of something other.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:24 pm


Thank you MercyWild, you have just conjured another question or ten. xp

When your daughter sees a chair with a stuffed animal, it's easy to see how the shape could be mistaken as a monster in a child's mind. However, if she believes the monster is moving and has great detail, do you feel that is a lost level of imagination children have, or do you think the emotion actually begins to manifest?

If she were to look at a mailbox quickly and think she saw a person standing, that is usually easily identifiable as imagination. However; if she looks at a very short garbage can and thinks she sees a person standing there, do you feel that's a terrible miscommunication of information to the brain, or do you think there's anything to such an event?

And while I'm on mistaking objects for different objects, isn't it strange how the brain replaces images entirely? If I take my glasses off and look out my window, I can't perceive much detail, and the unidentified colors are simply colors to me. With glasses on and great detail, if I look out my window and see (keeping consistent) my mailbox appearing to be a person, why wouldn't the brain communicate a blur of color if it was unsure?

I know it may seem that I'm demoting the concept of imagination, but what I'm really interested in is seeing where people draw the line and why.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:26 pm


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When your daughter sees a chair with a stuffed animal, it's easy to see how the shape could be mistaken as a monster in a child's mind. However, if she believes the monster is moving and has great detail, do you feel that is a lost level of imagination children have, or do you think the emotion actually begins to manifest?


I think that the energy generated by the emotion is what is giving life and movement to the ‘monster’. So if you change her emotion or attention its animation ceases.


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If she were to look at a mailbox quickly and think she saw a person standing, that is usually easily identifiable as imagination. However; if she looks at a very short garbage can and thinks she sees a person standing there, do you feel that's a terrible miscommunication of information to the brain, or do you think there's anything to such an event?


In this type of situation I will look to see if I can see what she is seeing, adjust my way of seeing to look at all the possible, as you would when staring at an optical illusion. If I can’t by any stretch of my sight see the short garbage can as a person, I then wonder what she did see. I will ask her something to describe the person she saw. Boy or girl? Grown up or child? Young or old? I will ask if they looked like they were in a costume. Just to try to find out what she did see, whether it may have been a spirit, ghost, guardian, gnome, pixie, fairy, troll etc. With those details I look to see again, to make sure that what she saw couldn’t be a miscommunication within her mind. Then I make a mental or written note of it. In case one of her cousins, one of our psychically gifted friends or myself see or experience the same in the future.

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And while I'm on mistaking objects for different objects, isn't it strange how the brain replaces images entirely? If I take my glasses off and look out my window, I can't perceive much detail, and the unidentified colors are simply colors to me. With glasses on and great detail, if I look out my window and see (keeping consistent) my mailbox appearing to be a person, why wouldn't the brain communicate a blur of color if it was unsure?


Perhaps because of the way our minds process shapes and color. When you or I take off our glasses and can’t see the detail of shape or their defining lines our minds perceive no recognizable shapes for the to work with or structure, leaving us with the colors. However when we are able to see shape and color our minds try to organize them into understandable configurations so it takes the visual information it gathers in a glance and tries to piece it together to give us a picture of something that would make sense.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:42 pm


MercyWild
In this type of situation I will look to see if I can see what she is seeing[...]


I think perhaps that is what it all comes down to, eh? See if we can detect anything or distort the image in any way.

Out of curiosity, have you ever detected anything in the room after your child awoke in fear? In such a scenario, would you tell her it's nothing? I know you wouldn't want to frighten the child, but I would experience conflict with keeping it from her and confusing her natural perception.

I've been using the mailbox-->person example because while driving, I sometimes see a person walking with detailed hair, clothing of different color, and even additional detail like headphones. Then when I look again, I see only a plastic, green mailbox. I imagine it might be no more revealing than an ink blot test at times, but still, you've got to wonder about the details. Though to check, I always try to feel it out. I suspect the brain detects something vaguely but has no idea what it is, where it is, or how to tell us. Personal theory.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:07 pm


Once after she woke up and said she saw monsters I did sense something there. I told her it would be okay and that I would get Neptune to come in and scare it away. Neptune is our cat who joins us every night at bedtime to put her to sleep. I told her that he will scare away monsters. That night I got Neptune brought him in, set him at the foot of her bed. I sat down on the floor while she went back to sleep then I sent out an energy shield around the room casting out anything that I didn't recognize and know to be a family member or guardian (these generally stay out of sight around her, or will if asked to). The next day I cleansed the room with sage and sweet grass. I usually cleanse our bedrooms once a month anyway just to keep a level of sanity in the household.

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