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 Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:15 pm
Why do you (Kroo) seem to have a want/need to merge forums?
I think that the guild is perfectly fine.
Argue that it's 'dead', 'inactive', etc all you want. Please, prove to me that our guild is not functioning anymore, and I'll gladly accept whatever you throw my way.
The guild is not 'dead', nor does it need saving.
By all means, promote programs to get new members, advertise, hold events, anything if you feel we need activity, but quit harassing old users about it.
If you haven't noticed, our guild isn't confined to Gaia anymore. Many guildmates are on Twitter and Skype, constantly sending messages between the group of us. We can all hop on iSketch as a group, and hang out together. If the guild was dead, the turnout would be 4 people, or less, or no response for 3 days.
Honestly, if you want a dead guild, go visit The Specters. From my observations, their chat thread gets a post once every 2 days, and not always is it something of substance. Beyond that, it's quiet in there. Until we turn into a guild where nobody is heard of for that long, I'm not going to say anything towards our guild being inactive.
Back to the main focus, why do you feel the need to merge forums?
It doesn't solve anything. It doesn't "increase activity". It just piles a bunch of previously organized threads into one forum and makes it a mess. That's like saying if I dumped all the folders of papers from a file cabinet onto the floor and put them in a binder, that my Binder would be "highly used".
All you did was cause chaos for 3 hours.
So yes, I'm slightly pissed about that.
Even moreso that you all did that with little notice or room for discussion. The best part was the "get over it we're doing it anyways" attitude.
Now that I'm done bitching, please feel free to explain yourselves.
If you don't feel like explaining past events, (some legitimate reasoning other than the activity farce please), then go forth and find something useful to do with your time. Pile your work into the Masquerade, and less into moving threads and arguing with disgruntled users.
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:06 pm
Dear Shoy Shoy,
I'm going to try to keep things short. Things got chaotic and yes mistakes were made. Kroo was not united in their decision on the matter of forum merging and hasty actions were taken. Things were put back in their proper places so that we can get a little more organized and see if merging does indeed need to take place.
My personal opinion on the matter: My church had been in financial trouble when I was still in grade school. After my 7th grade year, the church shut my grade school down in order to save money. Unfortunately, this drove away the kids going to school there and a bunch of members left and are continuing to leave. To apply this to the guild, Things may be a little under stress, but I really don't think that trying to fix something that isn't exactly broken is going to help at all.
Anyways, we're going to assess the damage and present other options when we are ready to. :]
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:58 pm
I disagree with you Shoy on the twitter/skype comment. While certain members of this guild are on Twitter and Skype and talk constantly quite a few members are not. Saying that we are alive because some members are active off of gaia I think is completely irrelevant to this guild. Its not fair to say things are ok because for SOME members it is. What about those who do not have twitter or Skype? Shouldnt we care about them as well?
I went through the memberlist for this game. I have only had contact with 16 out of those 44 people on the list within the past month. Thats not even half. All those members I have not spoken with are not part of our twitter and skype family. They rely on the guild. If no one is talking in the guild I'm afraid we're going to lose those members because they will get bored and leave.
I personally want the merge. I pay 0 attention to the main forum. I get bored of games in an instant and never even look at the main. I honestly feel that if all the threads were in the main I would pay attention to the game. I couldnt just skip that entire forum. I would see all those threads with their annoying little orange new post things and I would HAVE to click on them to see whats going on. And once I did that I would most likely feel the need to post. I would probably even play the games again and actually be active.
The same goes with the D. I dont go in there all that often either. I tend to stay in the Me. I sit there and refresh and wait for something to happen. Then once a week or so I'll go into the D and see an interesting thread, but it'll be a week old and I wont want to post in some old thread. Thats just the way I am.
I dont know if anyone else is like me. But if they are then merging the forums would make this guild much more active.
I dont see the point in not even giving it a chance. What is wrong with trying it for 2 weeks? Thats all that kroo was trying to do. Or half of crew at least. 2 weeks of possible chaos will hurt you how? How in the world will two weeks of chaos hurt the guild? Name one way please because I am extremely frustrated right now because I have absolutely no clue where the people against trying this are coming from. I can understand why you dont think it will work, but I can not for the life of me understand why you are so unwilling to try it for a short trial period.
To stand up for crew telling you to stfu and get over it because they are doing it I understand completely where they are coming from. They had the thread up since Sunday asking for your opinions. Most people were silent which is taken as agreement. Only 4 or 5 people were against it. This wasnt a random plan, they did talk about it in kroo for a while before bringing it up before the guild. And then you dont say a single thing about it, and then when it happens freak out. You had your chance to speak. You didnt. Thats not kroo's fault that you didnt notice the thread and/or didnt speak your mind. Its frustrating when you think you have the guild's approval to do something, then when you do it out of nowhere they freak out and threaten to leave the guild until kroo changes things back to normal. Maybe they didnt say it so nice, maybe they could have said it more diplomatically sure, and I think they did they didnt actually tell you to stfu. But still when you're yelling at themof course they are not going to react the best way possible. They're humans y'know.
Also Toastie is head of this guild. I'm pretty damn sure we're not a democracy. I stand by her 100% in her decision making to run this guild how she sees fit. If I dont agree with what she wants to do I will tell her my opinion, but in the end whatever she decides to do she has every right to do it and I will not scream and b***h at her for doing what she thinks is right. Why would she have been elected our leader if we dont think she can handle it and trust her?
EDIT: Also, with Kroos behavior, obviously they were not on the same page with each other. I think to help prevent kroo fighting with each other over issues in public guild places Toastie should really be more recognized as our #1. Kroo should be there to help her make decisions, but in the end Toastie should have final say and they should respect that. If Toastie says she is doing this they should do what she says even if they disagree. At least in front of the guild. They can argue however they want in Kroo chat and Kroo forum. I also think Toastie should be the one starting these things. To me it seems like Insom was running it and as awesome as Insom is, that isnt her job. She shouldnt be taking all the blame for what happened and she shouldnt be telling the guild that that is what is happening. Toastie signed up to do that, nd only Toastie.
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:34 pm
Im giddy that I get to b***h at something "authority" does as a "normal user"! This is my favorite part: [Moseley] Kroo was not united in their decision on the matter of forum merging and hasty actions were taken. Not even KROO was all in this together (/HSM) yet it was pushed anyways. Are you guys bored? Is this why you keep doing stuff? I'm also LOVING the whole "We are doing it for you and the good of the guild but the guild isn't liking it so lets tell them to just deal with it" attitude. Honestly that would totally work if 1. All of your Kroo was behind it and 2. If you didn't back down just because a couple people were unhappy. You don't have to listen to any of us but I do appreciate that you do, even if most of the time it is after the fact. So yay for being listened to! heart I'm confused though. So you are merging the forums together because we aren't as active as we use to be right? At the same time you keep rallying to get more members. What's going to happen if we get an influx of members and everyone starts bitching and asking for thread organization because it's too cluttered? THAT will be fun to watch. "We should have a forum for rants and raves!" rofl
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:51 am
Not all of us were there to push stuff through or decide how to, I guess?
we didn't discuss enough. even those of us who were pro-something-or-other were anti-do-it-this-way blah blah blah.
iunno it just sucked.
anyway I agree with EVERYTHING nymphie says. if D stuff was in main, I would pay attention to game stuff! And play the game! And talk to people making threads there. I honestly would and I don't see the reason that's a BAD idea. Just 1 forum merge wouldn't make it horrible I don't think.
@meru we backed down because it was horribly done and we didn't like it either. It WOULD have worked if we'd done it right, and we'd been discussing doin' it right, but we didn't.
I'd be cool with revising subforum guidelines to put different threads in different places.
but honestly a D to Main move would be awesome, and I don't think it's something we can't at least give a shot.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:53 am
I WILL say that as kroo we're doing a DAMN good job of showing how each member of kroo works together and communicates with other kroo and also the guild. will be hella easy for you guys next kroo 'lections.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:37 am
Nymphiedora Also Toastie is head of this guild. I'm pretty damn sure we're not a democracy. I stand by her 100% in her decision making to run this guild how she sees fit. If I dont agree with what she wants to do I will tell her my opinion, but in the end whatever she decides to do she has every right to do it and I will not scream and b***h at her for doing what she thinks is right. Why would she have been elected our leader if we dont think she can handle it and trust her?
EDIT: Also, with Kroos behavior, obviously they were not on the same page with each other. I think to help prevent kroo fighting with each other over issues in public guild places Toastie should really be more recognized as our #1. Kroo should be there to help her make decisions, but in the end Toastie should have final say and they should respect that. If Toastie says she is doing this they should do what she says even if they disagree. At least in front of the guild. They can argue however they want in Kroo chat and Kroo forum. I also think Toastie should be the one starting these things. To me it seems like Insom was running it and as awesome as Insom is, that isnt her job. She shouldnt be taking all the blame for what happened and she shouldnt be telling the guild that that is what is happening. Toastie signed up to do that, nd only Toastie. I am going to make it plainly obvious here. I didn't want Toastie as Captain, big deal. But I agree with this ******** completely, Toastie was elected in to lead, and that is her job. The rest of the crew were elected in to HELP HER, not do s**t for her, not start s**t themselves, to help her, and as far as things that are going on, I don't see that happening. PS - I will still scream and b***h when I don't think she's doing things right. <3
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:25 am
To Nymphie:
What I mean by bringing up Skype and Twitter is that the guild is less of a "Bound to Gaia" thing these days. We have evolved from a game, to a Game/Community. You don't necessarily have to be part of the game or post constantly in the guild to still feel like a member. Yes, I understand that there are users who exist, who do not use the same services as some of the members and are thus relying on the guild.
The fact that you only have contact with 14/44 people isn't the fault of not having all our threads lumped in one forum. It's also not my fault you don't visit those subforums often. I have each subforum bookmarked and I visit them each about 5 times a day, whether or not I post.
OH GOD, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO CLICK ON A THREAD. You might break a finger! D:
Honestly, I don't see how making the forums a ******** would help anything. We'll have everything that was separated for a reason in one forum, you'll end up doing the same weeding out of threads you would normally do except it's all in one place.
And to begin with, the kroo made a decision without full disclosure. I was told several times by Kroo "shut up, we're doing it anyways". I understand it was in the main forum since Sunday, but 1. The Guild name had no indication of this thread, 2. It was not in the Guild Buisness subforum, 3. If it was, the guild subforum did not change the name to signify something of importance going on, 4. This was a big decision for how little attention it SHOULD have had.
Toastie's great, I just don't want her leading this guild if she's going to stand by while her kroo members run rampant on the forum. If anything, the leader should be making sure her Kroo is doing things RIGHT and guide them.
I never blamed Insom. I yelled at Kroo all together.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:42 am
shoy, I think there's a space in between ******** and ********, and I think that space is easy to find and an improvement.
also none of your points made me agree with nymphie any less than i was before, so no point in rebutting anything you said because I can just blanket disagree.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:39 am
Pixie Saylor shoy, I think there's a space in between ******** and ********, and I think that space is easy to find and an improvement. also none of your points made me agree with nymphie any less than i was before, so no point in rebutting anything you said because I can just blanket disagree. You're not the only crew member, honey. I just don't want another ******** merge. I could possibly live with some merging as long as there's a legitimate reason. Merging all is dumb and pointless and a waste of time. Ok?
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:56 am
S H O Y K I N G Pixie Saylor shoy, I think there's a space in between ******** and ********, and I think that space is easy to find and an improvement. also none of your points made me agree with nymphie any less than i was before, so no point in rebutting anything you said because I can just blanket disagree. You're not the only crew member, honey. I just don't want another ******** merge. I could possibly live with some merging as long as there's a legitimate reason. Merging all is dumb and pointless and a waste of time. Ok? I am confused. what do you mean by me not being the only crew member?
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:05 am
Its true. It is very easy for everyone to look at all the threads and post in all of them. I could definately make that effort. I doubt it will last long though. I just never feel the need to look in the main forum. If I was forced to see everything in there though I know I would become active in the game.
It would be great if we knew how many guild members work this way. I know I do, and Pixie does. Others probably feel the same way as well but will never speak up bc they also dont look at this forum. Or bc they dont want to bring bad attention to themselves. Or because they are just insecure. So lame rolleyes
Anyways Shoy just because they way you work is to check every forum every day doesnt mean thats the way everyone else works. There are many different types of people in this guild and I want whats best for everyone.
You still havent told me what is so horrible about trying it for two weeks. You told me the long term problems, but what does that have to do with a trial run? Why cant you live with a little chaos for 2 weeks? And if it turns out not to work then we change right back.
Also as for not talking to more than half the guild, it WOULD help if we were all clustered together. I dont see them because they stay in Main and they dont see me because I stay in Me and sometimes D. If we were all in the same place we would all see each other all the time and that would be nice : )
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:35 pm
My Opinion: Merging is Pointless
Facts: You can't delete subforums. So, after merging, we will have empty subforums.
My Question: Won't having empty subforums make us look more empty?
Another Opinion: Why don't we just stop arguing about it? It's getting annoying. Nymphie's going about it the right way by putting up a Petition for it, so other than that, why do we need anything else?
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:46 pm
The problem with not wanting to try it for 2 weeks is that people don't WANT to try it.
And I honestly believe that if they don't want to try it, that we shouldn't make them.
The petition's made and we'll see how that goes.
On the idea that kroo's "doing a DAMN good job of showing how each member of kroo works together and communicates." What that means to me, as a kroo member, is that none of us are communicating. So much so we needed to make an entire thread about it in the kroo subforum.
I was ignored on this issue, and after having my views completely dismissed time after time- I ignored the situation and let the people who made the decision clean up their own mess.
Basically, as much of a hassle it is to put everything to an official vote- it's starting to look like a necessity.
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