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I was going to write some big thing about abuse of power and the reason why government officials don't sign petitions, but I won't. Instead, I'm just going to say things I don't like about the rules because there's no point in writing a speech on the internet. (oh Ignatieff, your facebook spam is amusing. lololol)

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*NEW* Petitions are welcome for any ideas you have for the guild or things you feel need to be changed. Petitions must be labeled with [Petition] as well as be fully outlined plans of how to execute their suggestions. Each petition must reach 10 signatures before being considered by the crew. If it achieves a majority vote from the crew, the petition will then go to a vote for the entire guild run by GCDSG-Kroo which will last for an entire week and be fully publicized. Any petition which receives the majority vote of the guild members will be announced and implemented. *NEW*

This is the rules post. Look at how magical and thought out and wall of text like it looks. It's written like a list, but isn't a list at all. Anyway.


WHAT IS THIS. Seriously. If the majority likes it, but Kroo doesn't, it doesn't do anything? This is bad. This is really bad. This is almost a dictator level of wtf are you doing.

Also, I have noticed a trend in this forum. Things the Kroo like tend to pass because of the Kroo all voting for it, while things the Kroo does not like wither and die because we don't have a large enough voter base for the opinions of elected officials to not skew the votes. If we had 500 people, maybe. But I doubt that we have even 100 active members, and less than 25 (!!) that actually pay attention to/give a s**t.

so uh in the real world, some of the things the new kroo has already done would be in newspapers everywhere, and there would be media pressure, and other stuff like legal issues and whatnot, and there would be a reason not to ******** around with s**t. Not to mention the fact that there would be political parties and not just one ruling party (which usually turns out bad, but we're more of a club than a country so um)

OKAY SO I FAILED AT MAKING THIS SHORT.
... Just look at my tl;dr ->

tl;dr Kroo being able to vote in and for things makes them too powerful and they should be forced to be neutral and submit to the will of the people. :D
(also Chi's friend John said that I should add something about mobs and pitchforks... so here.)

If this is a petiton saying that we should remove the kroo-vote part of the petition process- I will sign.

If this is a petition that says that Kroo should not be allowed to sign petitions or vote on petitions with the rest of the guild - I will not sign.

Basically, I don't think kroo should have it's own veto vote.
It makes it more about what the general guild public wants

belle, why shouldn't kroo be able to make or vote in petitions? doesn't that make us useless?


no, I will not stop calling you sweetie. biggrin

I didn't know that old rulehadn't gotten edited out, and it's toastie's rule. didn't know it was THERE. :3

yes belle, it does mean that kroo can effect petitions. but you know, we're kind of kroo for a reason. guild is not anarchy. we are fair and have varried opinions.

if you feel that we could improve the petition process with an announcement, bring it up somewhere else? or put through another petition? I like the idea of a petition-announcement or something, kind of like look into kroo?

I don't mean a discussion in a skype chat. I mean a discussion thread in the guild about kroo's role in petitions and what would be wise and unwise. that way we could discuss opinions and look for reasonable compromises. I'm not against changing the ways kroo can effect the petition process, but I don't feel this petition is the wisest way to do it.

Then why should Kroo's opinion be held higher than anyone else's, Toastie?
I could understand in the case that the petition violates moral rules, ToS, etc, but that's normal mod activity.

The purpose of Kroo is to moderate, and keep the guild tame. Not to control, or dictate. Was there some extra power I'm not aware of they were given?

If they want a say, they can vote like anyone else.

I sign.

If you need me to explain my reasoning, please ask.

QUOTED FOR ******** EMPHASIS!

Couldn't have put it any better Nyms dear.

Anyways, personally, I don't really have an opinion on the matter so far... but I DO think that this entire thing is going in a completely wrong direction for what you INTEND Belle. I really don't have anything else to say AT THIS POINT.

Then why did you sign a petition that would deny crew members the vote, Shoy? I'm confused.