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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:25 pm
Okay, first, before I even start talking about things, and asking questions, I would advocate everyone to sit down, and realize that we are a guild, as a whole, and friends.
It does not help to flip out (not that I haven't done this before...), it doesn't help to take things personally, it doesn't help to assume that we should be at each other's throats.
I think that over a computer screen, it can be hard to see that we're talking to fellow human beings... nay, our friends, and we can do things a tad... off.
So, I beg everyone to calm down, apologize if you've done something wrong, apologize if you haven't done something wrong, as I'm sure that you are "sorry to at least hear" that someone's upset, and there's a lot of that going around...
If you ignore everything else I say, please, at least listen to that last part...
Alright. I think that at the moment, a lot of concern is being placed on what crew should do... and I'm not sure that's actually been discussed...
So, I wish to ask EVERYONE, just what is crew's purpose?
Are they here only to moderate? Are they here to add a buffer on the popular decisions of the guild? Are they guild leaders? Owners?
If we don't have this down, then we don't know exactly what powers that crew should have, nor their responsiblities...
See, if they're only there to moderate, then asking them to organize the guild, lead us, properly execute decisions is worthless! It's only going to wind up with hurt feelings and broken expectations on all sides...
Likewise, if they're to be absolute decision makers, then what purpose would the input of the guild as a whole be?
So, my particular suggestion and/or thoughts on crew's role are as follows:
Electing crew is a democratic process; when elections come around, they can be voted in or out. This is what everyone agreed to, and so far, we should stick to it to see if it works?
Decision making seems to be a blended process; everyone wants input, but crew is charged with properly running, and executing things, as well as being leaders in this regard. Therefore, I think this part should be seen as closer to a republic nature. EVERYONE (inc. crew) can offer suggestions, issue petitions, and such... however, since crew is in the position of responsibly executing and running the guild, they should have a greater say in how it works. They should have the ability to veto, alter, and whatever, to any idea that pops up. THEY are running the guild. If you don't agree, then vote 'em out the next time around.
The captain's responsibility: Seeing as how the captain is charged with the absolute responsibility of running the guild, making sure that nothing breaks the tos, and being the "leader", they should have the absolute and final say on ANY AND ALL matters. If you don't like the way they're doing things, well, you should approach them *nicely* (would you like to be spoken to in a mean way?) and talk with them about any issues (EVERY captain to this point would love to hear your input on matters!), and if it's really bad... well, you should have chosen a better one! (though, I'm positive that Toastie was a great choice, and Nymmie volunteered herself, and was great as well... as for myself... well, back to what I said about choosing a better one. XP)
Anyways, So far, these are my thoughts. I think that everyone right now should sit down, think, and discuss theirs... We need to have a damn good idea what we expect from crew, and what powers they should have, so that they can do their job, and no one gets upset.
And my final word, is that as I said before, we are all friends! We might rub on each other in a bad way at times, but please, remember that we all "love" one another, and that no one here really means anyone else any ill will.
I love you all, and everyone else here should feel the same about anyone and everyone. heart
ps. If anyone wants to talk to me about anything, I'm still here, still listening, and will happily do such. ^_^
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:12 pm
I agree with you, Sib. I do think we all need to sit down and figure out what the roles are in this guild. I wanted to make a thread similar to this but I couldn't get how to phrase it.
I'm tired of everyone thinking Kroo needs to do more for the guild, and acting like Kroo is the only people who can do anything.
We get slapped with all the liability if something doesn't work and all the responsibility of actually doing everything. And then when something goes the way someone doesn't want, suddenly "they're only moderators, why are they doing this".
Now, I'm not to fond of the final say from kroo stuff, as I would like to keep this a democracy instead of a republic. I would like the users to do more on their own to improve the guild without Kroo having to step in and organize for everyone.
Figure out the roles people.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:57 am
Sibeiko We might rub on each other in a bad way at times GOOD WORDING SIBTWIN!!!!!
The problem with us being a democracy is we can NEVER get everyone to agree. No one is ever happy. Trying to work things out as a whole rarely seems to work. It just causes hassle and stress for everyone. When has the guild EVER talked to each other rationally, made a decision, and put it into motion?
As a guild we are too immature and drama-prone to take care of ourselves. And thats why I think we need a kroo that will be in charge and make the final decisions for us. A good core of level-headed, mature people who can listen to everyone and make a logical decision on what is best for the SG as a whole. AND people who can work together WELL >.> Which seems to be an issue lately.
I think if we can figure out a crew that fits that description it would be no problem for them to run the guild and make all the final decisions (though they should ask for our input). The problem is finding people in this guild who can actually do that D:
Its NICE to think of being a democracy.....but I just dont see that happening without us crashing and burning : (
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:53 am
Also, it seems as though Toastie didn't even know about the whole "Pause the Petitions" thing. Certain Kroo members seem to be overstepping their boundaries a bit. I thought they had learned from the merge mess but apparently not.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:23 am
Cherry Ave Also, it seems as though Toastie didn't even know about the whole "Pause the Petitions" thing. Certain Kroo members seem to be overstepping their boundaries a bit. I thought they had learned from the merge mess but apparently not. Cherry, as I said in the other thread, toastie's post was a mistake. Please don't judge kroo or how kroo handled this situation on her post. <3
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:36 am
Cherry Ave Also, it seems as though Toastie didn't even know about the whole "Pause the Petitions" thing. Certain Kroo members seem to be overstepping their boundaries a bit. I thought they had learned from the merge mess but apparently not. The reason Toastie was not aware of the decision at the time was that she was not available at the moment and we were unsure of how to contact her. Kroo acted as a majority at the time and communication was done through the forum instead of Skype. A repeat of the merge is trying to be avoided.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:05 pm
Hirun Hikari Cherry Ave Also, it seems as though Toastie didn't even know about the whole "Pause the Petitions" thing. Certain Kroo members seem to be overstepping their boundaries a bit. I thought they had learned from the merge mess but apparently not. The reason Toastie was not aware of the decision at the time was that she was not available at the moment and we were unsure of how to contact her. Kroo acted as a majority at the time and communication was done through the forum instead of Skype. A repeat of the merge is trying to be avoided. So she WAS unaware of it. (kthnxpixie) Shouldn't something as big as this was be talked about a bit more before decided, especially with the Captain?
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:07 pm
Cherry Ave Hirun Hikari Cherry Ave Also, it seems as though Toastie didn't even know about the whole "Pause the Petitions" thing. Certain Kroo members seem to be overstepping their boundaries a bit. I thought they had learned from the merge mess but apparently not. The reason Toastie was not aware of the decision at the time was that she was not available at the moment and we were unsure of how to contact her. Kroo acted as a majority at the time and communication was done through the forum instead of Skype. A repeat of the merge is trying to be avoided. So she WAS unaware of it. (kthnxpixie) Shouldn't something as big as this was be talked about a bit more before decided, especially with the Captain? Big? We were trying to avoid something worse happening and needed to n** it in the bud before the drama exploded and got a hell of a lot worse. And this isn't that big, we've only locked a few threads and started a discussion. The rest of the guild is still fully functioning. It was only trying to do what we could to divert the problem. original post: BIG?!
We were trying to stop from something WORSE happening. Unless you wanted another ******** EXPLOSION of Drama and Lulz... Kroo did what it could to divert the crisis...
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:30 pm
Cherry Ave Hirun Hikari Cherry Ave Also, it seems as though Toastie didn't even know about the whole "Pause the Petitions" thing. Certain Kroo members seem to be overstepping their boundaries a bit. I thought they had learned from the merge mess but apparently not. The reason Toastie was not aware of the decision at the time was that she was not available at the moment and we were unsure of how to contact her. Kroo acted as a majority at the time and communication was done through the forum instead of Skype. A repeat of the merge is trying to be avoided. So she WAS unaware of it. (kthnxpixie) Shouldn't something as big as this was be talked about a bit more before decided, especially with the Captain? I'm confused. Her post was a mistake and she admitted it and was going to delete it, because it sent the wrong message. exactly what happened is not to be under scrutiny and does not change anything, and you ARE getting the wrong ideas from this. please just be reasonable and fair here, how this was carried out is not a guild issue or discussion.
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