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No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
- Matthew 24:36-51


If you read this verse very carefully you see that not even Christ himself knows when he will return. I disagree whole heartedly that it will happen in 2012. The only reason that anyone has ever given to me for that being when Christ will return is that the Aztec Calendar ends then. There are two very important things to remember about the Aztecs
1) They were wiped out, so they might not have had time to completely finish their calendar
2) they were well known for their spirit worship. As I said 2012 is not when this will happen, if it is, then Jesus would have been lying in the above quoted verses because read it again. He says that he will return when we least expect it.

So if everyone is watching and waiting in 2012 for him to return... wouldn't that be more of an expectation. No I believe Christ will return much later than that.

If you remember the story of Abraham you will remember that there was a point where God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins. Abraham prayed and asked God not to destroy them if he found 10 people within th city that were worshipers of the true God. God could not even find that many.

I believe this will also be the scenario. The United States is 85% Christian, 50+ of those are more than likely born again. All over the world Christianity is thriving and more and more people are looking toward God to see when he returns. My view is that Christ will return when Christians are persecuted to the point of non existence, to the point where even mentioning Christ in any part of the world will result in the death penalty. The reason being: Then and only then will the world stop expecting the return of Christ. Then and only then will the world be back like the days of Noah, where only a few believers remain.

Our world is bad yes, but it will not end in 2012. Of this I am most certain

I still find it amazing how the most christian country is Africa.

Anyway, I seriously doubt it will happen for at least the next century.

But then again, that means I'm not expecting it, don't it?

Then again, what if we've almost lost all hope now? How do we know that we truly are christians as god meant us to be? How do we know others are?

Ending on this note: when the time of Judgement comes: we can do nothing of it. Nothing we can do can alter our judgement: for god's judgement is fair and just.

Yes, good graphics, but storyline?

For you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4

But your many enemies will become like fine dust, the ruthless hordes like blown chaff. Suddenly, in an instant, 6 the LORD Almighty will come with thunder and earthquake and great noise, with windstorm and tempest and flames of a devouring fire. Isaiah 29:5-6

But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." Luke 12:39-40
See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty. Malachi 3:1

But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. Matthew 24:43-44

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. 2 Peter 3:10

"Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed." Revelation 16:15

Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you, Revelation 3:3

Like a theif in the nighttime. Isn't that a song?

What an amazing god.

Be careful with that....

Jesus may know, as Jesus is God in the flesh

When Jesus said that he didn't know remember that he was still wholly human while being wholly God. His human mind may not have been able to maintain the knowledge of it while he was alive...

What I mean is now that he is in heaven with the father he may know when he is returning

I think Jesus probably did know when he was comin back but it doesn't really matter - either way he was never going to tell us exactly when.

I think it's pointless worrying about when the world will end; each generation before us has probably done the same thing. What should matter is our own individual ends, the world may not end tomorrow for everyone but we could still die and then we'd have to face God anyway. It says somewhere in the gospels not to plan too far in the future for tomorrow may never come. I think we should live each day as if its ur last not because Jesus might come tomorrow but because we might die tomorrow. Saying that I'm pretty pants at living for today, I tend to put everything off for tomorrow wink

I don't Jesus will come back in 2012 because everyone's waiting for him then. Plus doesn't it say in Revelations about everyone getting the devils's number tattooed on them. I think that was meant literally instead of metahphorically because that really offended the jews apparently. Apparently there's a verse in the old testement about not being allowed to have tattoo's but I don't think i've ever come across it myself so don't take my word for it.

Has anyone seen the film "Left Behind?"

I don't believe that the world will end in 2012 either. However, recently I read an article about the end-time prophetic fulfillment of Obadiah which states the destruction of the Palestinian people by Israel. I'll have to dig up the article.