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I recently read somthign that greatly lifted my christmas spirit. For the past several years I had been under the beliefe of the claims the christmas was nothign more then a pegan holiday called "Rebirth of the Sun" or somthign like that. I was told that the catholic church absorbed it in hopes of witnessing to the pegans and converting them

Well, I read somthign else form s source that I know for a fact is trust worthy (even if they do have a christian republican biased). A writer for WORLD magazine published an article, with evidence, that explains very briefly the origin of christmas. He stated, again giving evidence, that the partculer holidy selebrated by the romans only existed for the five year reighn of one of their Emporer, and that an earlier holiday similer to christmas was already being celebrated by roman christian long before the appearnce of the SUngod celenbration.

I'd look for the article, but I can't seem to find it on wroldmag.com.

CHristmas in itself dosn't have a pegan origin, but still...I can't shake the coincidences of some of the things we have. Wreaths, trees, and other such items.

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You're talking like Mr. Matthews.

Now just say "willy-nilly", and you'll be even more like him.

and have you tried looking under "worldmag.com", rather than wroldmag?

Or maybe do a google search, pyro?

*shrug*

I never siad any thing to the contrary


And Mcphee, try to sound a little less arrogant when correcting me, please. You know very well that I meant worldmag.com.

That is my greatest pet peeve, people who have to be sarcastic or act better when correcting my spelling, as though they have never made a mistake in their life.

That dosn't change what I said. I see no reason to be arrogant and sarcastic when informing some one they have made several spellign mistakes. .

Now, I made a request. I am requesting that if you are goign to correct me, do so in a fastion that will not present your self as sarcastic.


A holiday similer to christmas, where the birth of Christ was celebrated, was inplace long before the term "Christmas" or any thing having to with it now ever came to be. No, christmas, in the since of celebratign the birth of Christ, is in no way pagan. That is the point I'm tryign to get across here.

The symble of the tree, the wreath, the holly, the mistletoe. From what I have read, its all pagen. The Bible even tells Christians not to take trees into their houses and decorate them.

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Just saying this, if you don't intend for somthign top be taken litteraly, don't set it up in a way that it can be mistaken as a literal statment.

Celebrating the birth of Christ is specifically Christian. There is no denying that. But celebrating the birth of a god at this time has been around for longer than that. They don't even think Jesus was born around Christmas time. I wish I had a source off the top of my head, but I learned it years ago in religion class when we had to do a report on Christmas symbolism. If I had the time to go looking, I'm sure I can find it, but Jesus was supposed to be born around spring in my notes, Miranda confirmed that it's estimated at late winter-early spring.

I'm not Christian, of COURSE it wasn't literal. Even in my own religion most everything is looked at as a metaphor. You seriously have to take into context what's being said and who it's being said by.

I wasn't referring to them as fact I was using it as a metaphor for Paganism being REALLY OLD. "Since Adam was a baby" = "Going back before history". If you're going to get all defensive over a metaphor then please never, ever, read poetry. Like I said, if you had taken it into context you would have realised I wasn't asserting that my religion was right and yours was wrong because my religion doesn't believe in the creation story.

AKA My religion can't believe that Paganism was around when Adam was a baby because we don't believe in Adam. Or you could have also gone "Wow, Adam was CREATED not born so he was never a baby."

Also my religion doesn't believe in any one true religion. We believe that all positive religions are simply different paths to the same end, so I would never say that my religion was right and yours was wrong. If you'd done your research you would know that.

Edit: And the origin of celebrating Christ isn't Pagan? OF COURSE NOT. We don't worship Christ, why would we celebrate him?

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