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mr cloudies best friend Captain
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 Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:26 am
I'm VERY against it.. The people who said like the father who shot his son during a fight.. If he didn't have a gun he would have beaten him to death or just found other means to kill him.. Unstable people are unstable.. They will find way's to kill people.. And making guns illegal would open a massive black market. Cause more gang violence. The unstable people would still be able to easily get guns. (you can get pot on any street corner in the country.. Even in the small rural towns)
So no it wouldn't work.. The only thing it would do is take away the defenses of the law abiding people.. How would they protect themselves? I know in detroit thanks to the mass budget cuts it can take 45 minutes to an hour for police to get on the scene. You could be dead by then.. You need to be able to protect yourself.
The people who say there should be strict gun laws obviously don't live in an area where they face the scenario of needing a gun on a daily basis. I don't live in a bad area. But i've been to detroit.. And i'll tell ya.. If i lived there i would so own a gun.. There wouldn't be a choice... That city is SCARY..
It should be regulated a little bit.. I mean we don't want mentally handicapped or schizophrenia patients buying guns.
But the idea of banning them is so retarded.. And would only do more harm then good.
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:07 pm
Your right, maybe they can have a mental stability test to get the license like ever 2-3 years or so...
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:02 pm
Amen to that!
Lets not forget the reason of the second amendment. If our government gets so ******** the we have to overthrow it, we need to have the means to do so.
I am for the legalization of all firearms to the civilian market, with the proper permit of course. No missiles or bombs though.
That's right, fully automatics too. If we have to take over the government, I want to have the best possible tools to do so. Which reminds me, guns are just tools, they are neutral in killing, you are the variable.
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:43 am
Yeah i don't know. I think just the checks and such they do at first.
don balistano:
People are going to get the guns regardless.. And if they can't get a gun they'll do something else.. Rather then a school shooting.. The kids would make bombs and blow the classrooms up.. People will find a way to kill other people..
Making guns illegal isn't going to stop that..
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mr cloudies best friend Captain
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:47 am
If it does become illegal there would be a big boost in the black market...
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:07 pm
Which would increase gang violence.
So things would actually be LESS safe... stare
 
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mr cloudies best friend Captain
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:57 pm
As cloudie said, people are going to kill and commit crimes no matter what. I say we arm more people, I'm for Open Carry! Who is going to commit a crime because everyone is carrying? A ******** less people, that's who.
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:02 pm
Also,
Freud called people with a fear of weapons socially and sexually retarded in maturity.
The whole "p***s compensation" thing is nothing more than a stereotype. The people who fear guns, however, are socially inept and need to be removed from society.
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:21 pm
I'm against banning guns but that's because I'm against pretty much all bans. I think it's ridiculous to let the government become a sort of Parent Overseer when we should be figuring these things out for ourselves.
Haha, this is a huge source of anger for me.
I do think it'd be nice though if America had more regulations for firearms! But I mean, I don't really know why anyone would need a hand gun? I hear people saying it's for protection but isn't there a statistic about how hand guns don't actually help protect you? I could be wrong and that could just be a made-up Liberal info-tip but I thought I heard/read that somewhere. In any case, I may not understand why someone would want one but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be able to have one.
In my hometown, pretty much everyone's parents/grandparents had guns. Well, shotguns and the like for hunting but yeah, pretty much everyone had a gun in their home. They'd keep it locked up or hidden or whatever but I mean, if you're a nine year old kid snooping through your father's closet, you're not going to start playing with the gun you find in there because that's common sense.
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:47 am
I live in the UK where guns are illegal. The system here doesn't work because we have an incompetent government (not just this one - all of them). Guns are still used in crimes, obviously, but to be honest, the weapon of choice here seems to be knives, more than guns. Guns are used by those in gangs primarily, or so it seems.
Here are some stats (the first lot are old, yes).
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
This is from the Home Office, so spin is an issue here, I realise.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/gun-crime/index.html
This is just a brief history of gun ownership in this country, but with some interesting facts.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7056245.stm
I am glad I live in a country where guns are not legal. I do not like the thought that guns, weapons for KILLING, could be available to all and sundry. From some of the people I have encountered over the internet, that would be extremely dangerous confused
With regards to the second amendment. In my opinion, that part of the constitution is obsolete. Accorinding to Wikipedia (I know, I know) the main reasons given for the Second Amendment were as follows:
1. deterring undemocratic government;
2. repelling invasion;
3. suppressing insurrection;
4. facilitating a natural right of self-defense;
5. participating in law enforcement;
6. slave control in slave states.
1. Are the American people really going to rise up with their guns against their leaders? Mr. Obama is an improvement on his predecessor, in my opinion, but your government, like ours, is in need of an overhaul. You cannot be fair to the people of America when your politicians are tied up with with multi-billion dollar corporations. The people will not come first, the money will. So, unless you're going to start with the bottom up and raze the whole system to the ground, your guns won't do a hell of a lot of good in this instance.
2. When was the last time you were invaded? And be honest. I do not believe the attack on New York in 2001 counts, nor, I would argue, does Pearl Harbour.
3. Suppressing insurrection? When was the last time this happened? I'm thinking the race riots of the 50s and 60s, which were fully justified IMHO. Guns didn't help there.
4. This seems to be the one most cited by people as a reason to keep the gun laws as they are. Protect yourself if anyone breaks in etc. Do you think that we don't have criminals here? We cope without guns. What if you make a mistake? What if you kill an innocent person while thinking they're threatening your property?
5. Law enforcement - i.e. taking the law into your own hands? Or actually joining the police force? If it is the former, that is not your job, especially when you have a lethal weapon. If it is the latter, why not just join the police for real? o.O
6. Obsolete.
I know I come from a different culture, but it just doesn't seem right that weapons that can kill are in the hands of people other than criminals or coppers.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:30 pm
Well fox, I respect you opinion. I disagree though, the second amendment is not, and will never be anywhere close to obsolete.
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I disagree here on the point that Obama is better then Bush, but this is about firearms and not political preference. To my knowledge there has never been a 'rising up' against the government in America's history. Some may argue that the Civil War was, but it was a group of states wishing to create a new nation, not take over an existing one. What if your government became a true monarchy again? Would you like it if your countrymen were powerless to turn it back to a democracy? It would be horrible if America turn into a totalitarian state and we could do nothing about it. It never hurts to be prepared.
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Who cares when the last time was, what about the next time? I agree that Pearl Harbor and 9/11 weren’t invasions, they were attacks. Did you know that the man who planned the Pearl Harbor attacks said something along the lines of "You can never invade the American mainland; there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". If firearms were outlawed, invasion would be a much greater possibility. Once again, it never hurts to be prepared.
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Insurrection is an organized open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government. If there were riots and people pillaging, I would do all I could to stop it. I would protect my family and friends and all they hold dear, or at least to the best of my ability. If you banned firearms, it would be a massacre. They would obviously have firearms. It may seem as if this contradicts my first point, but it doesn't. My first point has to do with overthrowing a tyrannical government, and this dealing with people wishing to overthrow a just government.
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This is the most citied reason, only because it happens the most. To protect your life, the life of your loved ones, and sometimes property. A common argument to this is that you should just call the police. The average response time is around 8 minutes 25 seconds. By then, your whole family could be dead and the criminal could be long gone. It could be even longer depending on where you live. I, for example, live in the country a few minutes outside of a town of 200 people. Cops are going to me at my house right away, right? Nope. I admit, crime rate is drastically different from where I live, to the city though. I doubt I'll make a mistake shooting an innocent person. If they're inside my home without my consent, they're probably not too innocent.
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This one is pretty obsolete, I admit. I think this one was about getting a posse together to go after outlaws like in the old west and earlier.
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We don't have slaves anymore, so yeah, obsolete.
You don't think it’s right for the average Joe to have a gun, just because only criminals and cops should have guns? Why does it matter if someone has a weapon that can kill, if they're not a criminal?
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:08 pm
Yeah besides. Making guns illegal here would just open a massive black market and it would probably make it EASIER to get guns then it is now..
Not to mention what do you do with the tens of millions of guns that are already in the country? Not to mention you would be taking peoples defense away.
No guns should never be illegal here. And anyone who tried.. Would start a second civil war that would tear the country apart.
Sorry to say but i would be on their side, because the government has given me no reason to side with them.
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mr cloudies best friend Captain
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:40 am
Before I reply, please forgive my rambling. I haven't slept in a few days :s Don, I understand what you're saying, but an awful lot of it seems to be 'What if' scenarios. Now, as someone who has their zombie apocalypse contingency plan, I know that there's no harm in being prepared (ironically, you guys would have a better chance of fighting in said apcalypse due to me having no way to acquire guns. But I digress....) My point is is that I don't believe that you can live your life under a constant cloud of 'What ifs'. Number 4, for example. According to this site, 90% of urgent calls are dealt with within 6 minutes. That's in the City of London. Only one square mile, and they can't do better than 6 minutes response time. But we manage without guns. And people don't tend to die because of it. I think one thing that we should keep in mind is that guns elevate the stakes. Here, the criminals and police have guns. Black and white, fighting each other. Once you introduce civilians into the mix, surely it would be a more fraught situation? A lot of crime that is committed here is drug and alcohol fuelled. I dunno about you, but I'm not keen to have some pi$$ed up smackhead chav waving a gun at me. Nor would I be keen to be waving one back. I guess it's boils down to cultural differences at the core. I remember the last time I visited the states. I was 16. It was a few months before 9/11. The police at the airport all had massive guns. Scared the crap out of me!!! I'd never seen anything like it. Then, after 9/11 a lot of our police were issued with them too - round Downing Street and Westminster. I'm more used to it, but it still creeps me out intensely! It's something that I don't know I'll ever be used to.
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