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 Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:27 pm
In Utah in price i have no idea if anyone knows where that is but,the bishop
told people that it was recommended that they take the body of Christ in the hand instead of in the mouth. because of the H1N1.
Are priest told us we had to take it in the hand when my sister tried to take it in the mouth. we thought it was just recommended. also we are not suppose to hold hands during the are father because of the H1N1 and we are not suppose to shake hands when you tell people peace be with you. so i was just wondering if this was happening everywhere else and what I should do about it, also if its morally right because didn't the pope tell us we are suppose to take it in the mouth not the hand?
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:07 pm
you are right, we are not supposed to take the Eucharist in our hands, only the priests hands are consecrated to touch the Eucharist, and actually not even the whole hand, it is the thumb and index finger that are consecrated,
i'm not sure how communion in the hands came about really, because the church has never declared it or even allowed it in any way...perhaps i'm mistaken, but i have never seen anything official on it...
in my church you would never be aloud to take communion in the hands, we kneel at the alter rail and take it on the tongue,
and actually, i don't believe there is any way we could get a disease from Our Lords body, even though in appearance it is bread, we have to believe that it is the actual body and blood of Our Lord, and as such, would not harm us,
although i did read through the last topic on this and i do not disagree entirely, but one thing we need to do more often is simply trust in Jesus, He would not let such a thing happen with His Holy and Precious Body and Blood which He gives to us for the forgiveness of our sins, it's food for our souls, through it we obtain many graces, and although we can get technical and logical about it, the main fact remains that God can do all things, and we should be much more trusting that He would protect the most important means for our salvation in this world.
and even if disease could be on the Eucharist(which i hate to even consider) that doesn't mean Jesus will let it harm us...
and quite frankly, i'd be much more afraid of offending God by touching His holy Body with my filthy hands, then i would be to get this H1N1 flu, which btw is really hyped up,
and really...if i was going to a church that forced us to take communion in the hands, i'd just leave and find another church...but thankfully i go to the traditional mass...
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:59 am
EmeraldWings you are right, we are not supposed to take the Eucharist in our hands, only the priests hands are consecrated to touch the Eucharist, and actually not even the whole hand, it is the thumb and index finger that are consecrated, i'm not sure how communion in the hands came about really, because the church has never declared it or even allowed it in any way...perhaps i'm mistaken, but i have never seen anything official on it... in my church you would never be aloud to take communion in the hands, we kneel at the alter rail and take it on the tongue, and actually, i don't believe there is any way we could get a disease from Our Lords body, even though in appearance it is bread, we have to believe that it is the actual body and blood of Our Lord, and as such, would not harm us, although i did read through the last topic on this and i do not disagree entirely, but one thing we need to do more often is simply trust in Jesus, He would not let such a thing happen with His Holy and Precious Body and Blood which He gives to us for the forgiveness of our sins, it's food for our souls, through it we obtain many graces, and although we can get technical and logical about it, the main fact remains that God can do all things, and we should be much more trusting that He would protect the most important means for our salvation in this world. and even if disease could be on the Eucharist(which i hate to even consider) that doesn't mean Jesus will let it harm us... and quite frankly, i'd be much more afraid of offending God by touching His holy Body with my filthy hands, then i would be to get this H1N1 flu, which btw is really hyped up, and really...if i was going to a church that forced us to take communion in the hands, i'd just leave and find another church...but thankfully i go to the traditional mass... Actually, the Church allows Communion to be received in the hand. I cannot find a link to any specific teaching but here is a news piece which mentions the Church's "decision to allow the faithful to receive Communion in the hand". Although yes, it was a decision that was made due to disobedience etc and kudos to the Pope for encouraging Communion on the tongue, but currently Communion in the hand is allowed, just to get that straight. Anyway, if the Bishop has required people not to receive Communion in the mouth, then I think obedience is necessary. smezi_naraqu In Utah in price i have no idea if anyone knows where that is but,the bishop told people that it was recommended that they take the body of Christ in the hand instead of in the mouth. because of the H1N1. Are priest told us we had to take it in the hand when my sister tried to take it in the mouth. we thought it was just recommended. also we are not suppose to hold hands during the are father because of the H1N1 and we are not suppose to shake hands when you tell people peace be with you. so i was just wondering if this was happening everywhere else and what I should do about it, also if its morally right because didn't the pope tell us we are suppose to take it in the mouth not the hand? Well, just feel like mentioning this: holding hands during the Our Father is not a proper liturgical posture anyway. And, yes, the Pope has encouraged receiving Communion on the tongue, but he has yet to require it, so technically it is not morally wrong. Not yet anyway. But it is obviously preferable to receive Communion on the tongue, unless of course the Bishop says otherwise, in which case we would have to obey on the basis of his authority.
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:11 pm
Taree Kizer EmeraldWings you are right, we are not supposed to take the Eucharist in our hands, only the priests hands are consecrated to touch the Eucharist, and actually not even the whole hand, it is the thumb and index finger that are consecrated, i'm not sure how communion in the hands came about really, because the church has never declared it or even allowed it in any way...perhaps i'm mistaken, but i have never seen anything official on it... in my church you would never be aloud to take communion in the hands, we kneel at the alter rail and take it on the tongue, and actually, i don't believe there is any way we could get a disease from Our Lords body, even though in appearance it is bread, we have to believe that it is the actual body and blood of Our Lord, and as such, would not harm us, although i did read through the last topic on this and i do not disagree entirely, but one thing we need to do more often is simply trust in Jesus, He would not let such a thing happen with His Holy and Precious Body and Blood which He gives to us for the forgiveness of our sins, it's food for our souls, through it we obtain many graces, and although we can get technical and logical about it, the main fact remains that God can do all things, and we should be much more trusting that He would protect the most important means for our salvation in this world. and even if disease could be on the Eucharist(which i hate to even consider) that doesn't mean Jesus will let it harm us... and quite frankly, i'd be much more afraid of offending God by touching His holy Body with my filthy hands, then i would be to get this H1N1 flu, which btw is really hyped up, and really...if i was going to a church that forced us to take communion in the hands, i'd just leave and find another church...but thankfully i go to the traditional mass... Actually, the Church allows Communion to be received in the hand. I cannot find a link to any specific teaching but here is a news piece which mentions the Church's "decision to allow the faithful to receive Communion in the hand". Although yes, it was a decision that was made due to disobedience etc and kudos to the Pope for encouraging Communion on the tongue, but currently Communion in the hand is allowed, just to get that straight. Anyway, if the Bishop has required people not to receive Communion in the mouth, then I think obedience is necessary. smezi_naraqu In Utah in price i have no idea if anyone knows where that is but,the bishop told people that it was recommended that they take the body of Christ in the hand instead of in the mouth. because of the H1N1. Are priest told us we had to take it in the hand when my sister tried to take it in the mouth. we thought it was just recommended. also we are not suppose to hold hands during the are father because of the H1N1 and we are not suppose to shake hands when you tell people peace be with you. so i was just wondering if this was happening everywhere else and what I should do about it, also if its morally right because didn't the pope tell us we are suppose to take it in the mouth not the hand? Well, just feel like mentioning this: holding hands during the Our Father is not a proper liturgical posture anyway. And, yes, the Pope has encouraged receiving Communion on the tongue, but he has yet to require it, so technically it is not morally wrong. Not yet anyway. But it is obviously preferable to receive Communion on the tongue, unless of course the Bishop says otherwise, in which case we would have to obey on the basis of his authority. before Vatican II(and not because of Vatican II, but only the spirit of Vatican II) communion on the tongue was the only way and to touch it in any other way was "morally wrong", so i'm not sure how it became morally ok, when in the first place only the priest and only his thumb and index finger could touch the Eucharist, and as i said, i could be wrong, but there is no documents in the church that i know of which changed or allowed how we receive communion, actually even more interestingly, Vatican II also had nothing to do with the changes in the mass, that all seemed to have just happened out of confusion from Vatican II and by the influence of bad people in our church and the modern practice of the ecumenical movement(especially among protestants) i know the church does allow it, otherwise it would have been spoken out against by now, but i was merely saying i don't know of any documents allowing it, and to me that just isn't good enough, if i'm gunna receive communion in my hands as apposed to the original and understandable way of receiving on the tongue, i want to know why it's aloud, what God thinks of it, how to do it properly, and why it was not aloud before but is now, i want to know the specifics, i want to know the history of it, anything that concerns the receiving of my Lord and my Gods most precious Body in the most holy sacrament, i want to do in the most respectful and humble and loving way possible, well, i could go on and on about this, but instead watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiUqDa_Gzj0then watch part 2, it will explain everything that i would have otherwise explained, although the guy is a little goofy, kinda makes me laugh rofl , but he is serious and what he says will really have an impact on you. and in addition to that, even my priest told me when i was talking to him about communion in the hands, that when he is distributing communion, often times he will feel like there is a particle between his fingers, and he rubs his fingers together and sure enough there is, and not just that, but whenever he distributes communion, the communion plate always has particles of the host on it, and that is an important thing to think about, as you have already seen why in that video(or you will...) so imagine how many particles of Our Lords precious Body are lost to the floor, on your pants, down the drain, and trampled on...it's very sad and if any catholic doesn't take such a thing seriously then i think it's safe to say that the protestants and bad people in the church have been successful in diminishing our respect and honor and love of the Eucharist. ok and one more thing about this - "unless of course the Bishop says otherwise, in which case we would have to obey on the basis of his authority." well, that may be true, but i'm pretty sure we are not obliged to obey the bishop in matters such as this, the priest is obliged to obey him, but not us, we can go to another church and receive communion on the tongue and we would not be sinning in any way shape or form, the bishop is not the authority of the catholic people in that way, he is the authority of his priests, and if he were to give us an order which the pope has not issued first, then it's not obligatory. of course the bishop is our authority in matters of our catholic doctrine and teachings, but not in things like taking communion a certain way because of this totally hyped flu thats not going around to much anymore. well, i know you are not trying to say communion in the hands is a good thing(not to say it is an evil thing either, i don't want to be misunderstood on that), i can see you have a more respectful outlook on all of this and that you were just trying to point out that the church does allow it, which i agree, as i said i know they do, i just wanted to point out the lack of official documentation, and i'm just hoping that that video i showed you will help you help others in this matter, as i hope for with anyone who watches it really, ok well that all for now, tc
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:16 pm
Okay but the bishop ((recommended)) that we take it in the hand not that we had to but the priest making us take it in the hand. pluse just a little thing to put in the pope never actually aloud taking the body in the hand he actually is against it and doesn't allow anyone who takes it from him to take it in the hand.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:46 pm
EmeraldWings Taree Kizer EmeraldWings you are right, we are not supposed to take the Eucharist in our hands, only the priests hands are consecrated to touch the Eucharist, and actually not even the whole hand, it is the thumb and index finger that are consecrated, i'm not sure how communion in the hands came about really, because the church has never declared it or even allowed it in any way...perhaps i'm mistaken, but i have never seen anything official on it... in my church you would never be aloud to take communion in the hands, we kneel at the alter rail and take it on the tongue, and actually, i don't believe there is any way we could get a disease from Our Lords body, even though in appearance it is bread, we have to believe that it is the actual body and blood of Our Lord, and as such, would not harm us, although i did read through the last topic on this and i do not disagree entirely, but one thing we need to do more often is simply trust in Jesus, He would not let such a thing happen with His Holy and Precious Body and Blood which He gives to us for the forgiveness of our sins, it's food for our souls, through it we obtain many graces, and although we can get technical and logical about it, the main fact remains that God can do all things, and we should be much more trusting that He would protect the most important means for our salvation in this world. and even if disease could be on the Eucharist(which i hate to even consider) that doesn't mean Jesus will let it harm us... and quite frankly, i'd be much more afraid of offending God by touching His holy Body with my filthy hands, then i would be to get this H1N1 flu, which btw is really hyped up, and really...if i was going to a church that forced us to take communion in the hands, i'd just leave and find another church...but thankfully i go to the traditional mass... Actually, the Church allows Communion to be received in the hand. I cannot find a link to any specific teaching but here is a news piece which mentions the Church's "decision to allow the faithful to receive Communion in the hand". Although yes, it was a decision that was made due to disobedience etc and kudos to the Pope for encouraging Communion on the tongue, but currently Communion in the hand is allowed, just to get that straight. Anyway, if the Bishop has required people not to receive Communion in the mouth, then I think obedience is necessary. smezi_naraqu In Utah in price i have no idea if anyone knows where that is but,the bishop told people that it was recommended that they take the body of Christ in the hand instead of in the mouth. because of the H1N1. Are priest told us we had to take it in the hand when my sister tried to take it in the mouth. we thought it was just recommended. also we are not suppose to hold hands during the are father because of the H1N1 and we are not suppose to shake hands when you tell people peace be with you. so i was just wondering if this was happening everywhere else and what I should do about it, also if its morally right because didn't the pope tell us we are suppose to take it in the mouth not the hand? Well, just feel like mentioning this: holding hands during the Our Father is not a proper liturgical posture anyway. And, yes, the Pope has encouraged receiving Communion on the tongue, but he has yet to require it, so technically it is not morally wrong. Not yet anyway. But it is obviously preferable to receive Communion on the tongue, unless of course the Bishop says otherwise, in which case we would have to obey on the basis of his authority. before Vatican II(and not because of Vatican II, but only the spirit of Vatican II) communion on the tongue was the only way and to touch it in any other way was "morally wrong", so i'm not sure how it became morally ok, when in the first place only the priest and only his thumb and index finger could touch the Eucharist, and as i said, i could be wrong, but there is no documents in the church that i know of which changed or allowed how we receive communion, actually even more interestingly, Vatican II also had nothing to do with the changes in the mass, that all seemed to have just happened out of confusion from Vatican II and by the influence of bad people in our church and the modern practice of the ecumenical movement(especially among protestants) i know the church does allow it, otherwise it would have been spoken out against by now, but i was merely saying i don't know of any documents allowing it, and to me that just isn't good enough, if i'm gunna receive communion in my hands as apposed to the original and understandable way of receiving on the tongue, i want to know why it's aloud, what God thinks of it, how to do it properly, and why it was not aloud before but is now, i want to know the specifics, i want to know the history of it, anything that concerns the receiving of my Lord and my Gods most precious Body in the most holy sacrament, i want to do in the most respectful and humble and loving way possible, well, i could go on and on about this, but instead watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiUqDa_Gzj0then watch part 2, it will explain everything that i would have otherwise explained, although the guy is a little goofy, kinda makes me laugh rofl , but he is serious and what he says will really have an impact on you. and in addition to that, even my priest told me when i was talking to him about communion in the hands, that when he is distributing communion, often times he will feel like there is a particle between his fingers, and he rubs his fingers together and sure enough there is, and not just that, but whenever he distributes communion, the communion plate always has particles of the host on it, and that is an important thing to think about, as you have already seen why in that video(or you will...) so imagine how many particles of Our Lords precious Body are lost to the floor, on your pants, down the drain, and trampled on...it's very sad and if any catholic doesn't take such a thing seriously then i think it's safe to say that the protestants and bad people in the church have been successful in diminishing our respect and honor and love of the Eucharist. ok and one more thing about this - "unless of course the Bishop says otherwise, in which case we would have to obey on the basis of his authority." well, that may be true, but i'm pretty sure we are not obliged to obey the bishop in matters such as this, the priest is obliged to obey him, but not us, we can go to another church and receive communion on the tongue and we would not be sinning in any way shape or form, the bishop is not the authority of the catholic people in that way, he is the authority of his priests, and if he were to give us an order which the pope has not issued first, then it's not obligatory. of course the bishop is our authority in matters of our catholic doctrine and teachings, but not in things like taking communion a certain way because of this totally hyped flu thats not going around to much anymore. well, i know you are not trying to say communion in the hands is a good thing(not to say it is an evil thing either, i don't want to be misunderstood on that), i can see you have a more respectful outlook on all of this and that you were just trying to point out that the church does allow it, which i agree, as i said i know they do, i just wanted to point out the lack of official documentation, and i'm just hoping that that video i showed you will help you help others in this matter, as i hope for with anyone who watches it really, ok well that all for now, tc Thanks for all that long explanation smile but you said "i'm pretty sure we are not obliged to obey the bishop in matters such as this, the priest is obliged to obey him, but not us, we can go to another church and receive communion on the tongue" - well, if the Bishop has commanded the priests not to give Communion on the tongue (where I am, the Bishop did say to refrain from giving Communion on the tongue) - then how is it possible to "go to another church" unless you go to a parish that is outside of your diocese? (which distance-wise might not be very possible) Anyway, I also want to say that i love this sentence of yours: "anything that concerns the receiving of my Lord and my Gods most precious Body in the most holy sacrament, i want to do in the most respectful and humble and loving way possible" biggrin hear, hear!
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:16 am
Taree Kizer Thanks for all that long explanation smile but you said "i'm pretty sure we are not obliged to obey the bishop in matters such as this, the priest is obliged to obey him, but not us, we can go to another church and receive communion on the tongue" - well, if the Bishop has commanded the priests not to give Communion on the tongue (where I am, the Bishop did say to refrain from giving Communion on the tongue) - then how is it possible to "go to another church" unless you go to a parish that is outside of your diocese? (which distance-wise might not be very possible) Anyway, I also want to say that i love this sentence of yours: "anything that concerns the receiving of my Lord and my Gods most precious Body in the most holy sacrament, i want to do in the most respectful and humble and loving way possible" biggrin hear, hear! in that case i would say then follow the guide lines such as in that video i showed you, but like here where i live, we have a few Catholic churches of different diocese, the Maronite church i was raised in, the traditional mass, the new mass, the byzantine mass, although there are mostly new mass churches, we have our options around here. but still, as i understand it, no priest or bishop or even the pope is aloud to refuse you communion on the tongue, if they are, then i would suspect they are being disobedient to their own superiors, and if you think about it, how does not reviving communion on the tongue prevent this H1N1 flu? the priest is still touching the Eucharist and handing it to you just as he would if he put it on your tongue, and it's not like he touches your tongue when he gives it to you, and if anyone needs to wear a mask, the priest is the one who would, cause your the one opening your mouth, not him. ok well i'm making myself late for work e,e tc.
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:36 pm
EmeraldWings Taree Kizer Thanks for all that long explanation smile but you said "i'm pretty sure we are not obliged to obey the bishop in matters such as this, the priest is obliged to obey him, but not us, we can go to another church and receive communion on the tongue" - well, if the Bishop has commanded the priests not to give Communion on the tongue (where I am, the Bishop did say to refrain from giving Communion on the tongue) - then how is it possible to "go to another church" unless you go to a parish that is outside of your diocese? (which distance-wise might not be very possible) Anyway, I also want to say that i love this sentence of yours: "anything that concerns the receiving of my Lord and my Gods most precious Body in the most holy sacrament, i want to do in the most respectful and humble and loving way possible" biggrin hear, hear! in that case i would say then follow the guide lines such as in that video i showed you, but like here where i live, we have a few Catholic churches of different diocese, the Maronite church i was raised in, the traditional mass, the new mass, the byzantine mass, although there are mostly new mass churches, we have our options around here. but still, as i understand it, no priest or bishop or even the pope is aloud to refuse you communion on the tongue, if they are, then i would suspect they are being disobedient to their own superiors, and if you think about it, how does not reviving communion on the tongue prevent this H1N1 flu? the priest is still touching the Eucharist and handing it to you just as he would if he put it on your tongue, and it's not like he touches your tongue when he gives it to you, and if anyone needs to wear a mask, the priest is the one who would, cause your the one opening your mouth, not him. ok well i'm making myself late for work e,e tc. exactly so i have one last question what should i do there is no other church for a long ways so what do u think i should do?
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:23 pm
smezi_naraqu EmeraldWings Taree Kizer Thanks for all that long explanation smile but you said "i'm pretty sure we are not obliged to obey the bishop in matters such as this, the priest is obliged to obey him, but not us, we can go to another church and receive communion on the tongue" - well, if the Bishop has commanded the priests not to give Communion on the tongue (where I am, the Bishop did say to refrain from giving Communion on the tongue) - then how is it possible to "go to another church" unless you go to a parish that is outside of your diocese? (which distance-wise might not be very possible) Anyway, I also want to say that i love this sentence of yours: "anything that concerns the receiving of my Lord and my Gods most precious Body in the most holy sacrament, i want to do in the most respectful and humble and loving way possible" biggrin hear, hear! in that case i would say then follow the guide lines such as in that video i showed you, but like here where i live, we have a few Catholic churches of different diocese, the Maronite church i was raised in, the traditional mass, the new mass, the byzantine mass, although there are mostly new mass churches, we have our options around here. but still, as i understand it, no priest or bishop or even the pope is aloud to refuse you communion on the tongue, if they are, then i would suspect they are being disobedient to their own superiors, and if you think about it, how does not reviving communion on the tongue prevent this H1N1 flu? the priest is still touching the Eucharist and handing it to you just as he would if he put it on your tongue, and it's not like he touches your tongue when he gives it to you, and if anyone needs to wear a mask, the priest is the one who would, cause your the one opening your mouth, not him. ok well i'm making myself late for work e,e tc. exactly so i have one last question what should i do there is no other church for a long ways so what do u think i should do? well, first just pray on it...that's always the best first step, so God will guide you, then i'd suggest talking to your priest about it, tell him that no one, not even the pope can refuse someone communion on the tongue, not for any reason, and if he argues with you on it, then politely depart, and find out if there is a higher authority in the church you can go to about this(besides the bishop, who will most likely react the same) of course you have to be careful, we are not aloud to speak out against priests with anyone, and if we must voice our concerns over some matter with a priest(such as this one), it should only be with someone in the church who we believe can help the matter. other then that, prayer is the best answer, because when you put the matter in Gods hands, then something is sure to be done about it. even the pope, as you may have noticed, is being careful not to start any kind of rebellion over the matter of communion in the hands, because for someone to start rebelling or attacking the church or it's priests, would be a sacrilege, and would hurt the church very much(as you have seen happen with other scandals in the church) so...other then that, i'm not sure what else can be done, but maybe there is another church near you that's not of that diocese, which you can find out online if you want, like for example, the church i go to, maybe there's one near you :3 - http://fssp.com/press/locations/i'm really sorry if this doesn't help you, but like i said, the best thing is always just to pray.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:46 pm
EmeraldWings smezi_naraqu EmeraldWings Taree Kizer Thanks for all that long explanation smile but you said "i'm pretty sure we are not obliged to obey the bishop in matters such as this, the priest is obliged to obey him, but not us, we can go to another church and receive communion on the tongue" - well, if the Bishop has commanded the priests not to give Communion on the tongue (where I am, the Bishop did say to refrain from giving Communion on the tongue) - then how is it possible to "go to another church" unless you go to a parish that is outside of your diocese? (which distance-wise might not be very possible) Anyway, I also want to say that i love this sentence of yours: "anything that concerns the receiving of my Lord and my Gods most precious Body in the most holy sacrament, i want to do in the most respectful and humble and loving way possible" biggrin hear, hear! in that case i would say then follow the guide lines such as in that video i showed you, but like here where i live, we have a few Catholic churches of different diocese, the Maronite church i was raised in, the traditional mass, the new mass, the byzantine mass, although there are mostly new mass churches, we have our options around here. but still, as i understand it, no priest or bishop or even the pope is aloud to refuse you communion on the tongue, if they are, then i would suspect they are being disobedient to their own superiors, and if you think about it, how does not reviving communion on the tongue prevent this H1N1 flu? the priest is still touching the Eucharist and handing it to you just as he would if he put it on your tongue, and it's not like he touches your tongue when he gives it to you, and if anyone needs to wear a mask, the priest is the one who would, cause your the one opening your mouth, not him. ok well i'm making myself late for work e,e tc. exactly so i have one last question what should i do there is no other church for a long ways so what do u think i should do? well, first just pray on it...that's always the best first step, so God will guide you, then i'd suggest talking to your priest about it, tell him that no one, not even the pope can refuse someone communion on the tongue, not for any reason, and if he argues with you on it, then politely depart, and find out if there is a higher authority in the church you can go to about this(besides the bishop, who will most likely react the same) of course you have to be careful, we are not aloud to speak out against priests with anyone, and if we must voice our concerns over some matter with a priest(such as this one), it should only be with someone in the church who we believe can help the matter. other then that, prayer is the best answer, because when you put the matter in Gods hands, then something is sure to be done about it. even the pope, as you may have noticed, is being careful not to start any kind of rebellion over the matter of communion in the hands, because for someone to start rebelling or attacking the church or it's priests, would be a sacrilege, and would hurt the church very much(as you have seen happen with other scandals in the church) so...other then that, i'm not sure what else can be done, but maybe there is another church near you that's not of that diocese, which you can find out online if you want, like for example, the church i go to, maybe there's one near you :3 - http://fssp.com/press/locations/i'm really sorry if this doesn't help you, but like i said, the best thing is always just to pray. This is helping alot i should ask questions more often asking is learning ^_^ Thank you alot
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