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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:27 am
I decided to make this thread when I had a whole post typed up in Best Abuse Media? that had nothing to do with abuse media and instead was me blathering about movie adaptations of books. It's a subject I am interested in!
Basically, I was curious about everyone's views on the whole movies-made-from-books deal, and some personal examples of favorite and least favorite situations. Also whether or not order matters, since I know a lot of people who prefer to watch the movie first so they can enjoy it separately, or read the book first so the movie doesn't "spoil" it. (Order doesn't matter for me -- I read Howl's Moving Castle after watching the movie and subsequently hated the movie for doing weird s**t with good material, but had the same attitude towards Hannibal, which I read before watching the movie.)
I try not to automatically like the book better, myself, and acknowledge that movies can't just be visual books and have to adapt the material they have for a completely different type of media. Things that work in books don't work in movies, and vice versa. I really dislike the attitude that movies "ruin" books, or that movie adaptations of books should never be made. Sometimes I think the book can even be improved on when placed in a visual format under a different overseer -- Children of Men, Last of the Mohicans, and American Psycho are all movies that I prefer to their books. And nearly any media adaptation of The Scarlet Pimpernel is better than the original story, in my opinion.
Mostly, though, I either like the book better or like the book and the movie equally/for different reasons (No Country for Old Men, The Lovely Bones, Night Watch/Day Watch, and any adaptation of Of Mice and Men that cuts out the hallucinated rabbit at the end).
So, you know. Thoughts?
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:21 am
erikakaiser And nearly any media adaptation of The Scarlet Pimpernel is better than the original story, in my opinion. Quoted for so much truth. I don't actually watch movies very often, and I watch movies of books I've read even less often than that--and I guess I don't read moviefied books very often. That said, I can only think of a few times that a movie adaptation of a book I liked really pissed me off. One of those times was Ella Enchanted, in which Fox felt some overpowering need to re-write the entire book, keeping only the main character, her curse, and her love interest intact. They took a book I found very unique and turned it into a slightly WTF'd-up Standard Fantasyland. And for some reason decided to insert Carey Elwes as a moustache-curling villain who smells faintly of brimstone and offs himself in one of the most idiotic displays of idiocy I've ever seen. I'd classify it as, in Erika's words, "doing weird s**t with good material." I was, and remain, extremely disappointed in it. That's the only time that stands out in my mind, though. Usually I can accept a movie adaptation as a separate telling of a similar story and live with it ( Howl's Moving Castle is one case of this; The Princess Bride is another). I usually prefer the book simply because there's more material in it, or character development, or cute scenes, or whatever. For instance, I liked the extra exposition and character development offered for each character in The Princess Bride, as well as the entire Zoo of Death segment, which I acknowledge would have transferred very badly into the movie as a pointless disruption of pace. Unlike some people I know and respect, I liked the recent film adaptation of Prince Caspian. Some people argued that they killed the plot by adding too much extra shiny visual-effects candy, but personally, I felt that all the additional battle scenes and character development (erroneous and badly executed as it was) was necessary to make the story work in that format. I mean, seriously, has anyone here read Prince Caspian? The main characters spend half the book walking through the forest and bickering, then fight two short battles, are saved by deus-ex-Aslan, and go home. It's the shortest book in the series (aside from maybe The Last Battle), as well as the least popular, and nothing happens. I think I once read the entire book in an hour. There's really not much there. I think it's only natural that they had to find a way to pad out the plot to make a movie out of it. Though I still maintain that Caspian is blonde, I don't care what color his hair was in the ancient cover art, or that his hair color isn't mentioned until The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Damn it. And at the risk of making this post too long, I'd also like to say that probably the one time I liked a movie better than its book is in the case of Stardust. Even before the movie came out, I was disappointed by that book. It felt as if Gaiman had written a fairly epic fantasy novel, then cut out the middle with a dull X-acto knife and instead pasted in a note reading, "And then they had some grand adventures, but since this is a romance and not an adventure, we're just going to skip all that." This left me with the feeling of having read a book with a long and tedious beginning and a rather so-so ending, with absolutely nothing in-between. The book started. Then it ended. And not much happened. The movie, however, I felt really got the chance to play around in the world Gaiman had set up in the book. They expanded on the idea of traveling by candle-light with the Babylon Candles, they turned the fratricidal princes into morbid comic relief, they gave the witches a decent role and actually made them a threat, the romance between Tristan and Yvaine was properly developed, they actually told us about some of the adventures the main characters had on their way back to England on Shakespeare's ship, and it all got wrapped up with the satisfying ending the audience, in my opinion, deserved. What I'm trying to say is, there was a plot in the movie. Things were developed. The world felt like it actually affected the characters that lived in it. The pace was better, the character development was better, and everything was much more vivid. The movie trumped the book. So...yeah. Books and movies. I am opinionated. ETA: Okay, I also like the live-action Disney Peter Pan with the same burning passion as the unabridged novel, but that's more for the fact that I'm a big Peter Pan nerd and can appreciate all the places where they included details from other Pan movies, or subverted something from the text, or played with aspects of the original play. Also, I thought the lighting in the final battle scene was trippy and expressive at the same time. And it's the only movie that really does Captain Hook justice, in my opinion. He's a much more complex character than all the other movies would lead you to believe. Okay, now I'm done.
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:15 am
I disliked The Princess Bride as a book -- the guy's writing style really grated on my nerves. It probably doesn't help that I watched the movie way before reading the book, and watched it many many times, since along with Dragon Heart, Starship Troopers and The Langoliers, it was one of my Put on Repeat movies as a kid.
I'm actually trying to think of a movie adaptation that's really pissed me off, but nothing's coming to mind off the top of my head. Timeline was frustrating as ********, but the book was written by Michael "Let's stop the narrative for five pages of me not knowing what the s**t I'm talking about" Crichton, so I didn't really have enough of an attachment to care. Oh, the Bicentennial Man movie was pretty irritating. They took a fairly touching story and turned it into Robin Williams dicking around. The movie adaptation of Blindness I'm holding out my final opinion on, because I'd like to re-watch it when the book's not so fresh in my mind. My initial watch involved a lot of fast-forwarding, though, because it was just so damn boring.
And I've yet to see an acceptable movie adaptation of Dracula or The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Just tossing that out there. (There's probably not one of Frankenstein, either, but that book can blow me.)
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:11 pm
I actually liked Timeline, both the book and the movie, but for (mostly) different reasons. I felt like the romance was done better in the movie, but Andre Marek was so much more badass in the book. He's the whole reason I watched the movie, so it was really disappointing to see them delegate all his awesomeness to other characters.
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:53 pm
I tend to read books before their movies come out... Some of them suck! I'm mostly opinionated with the Eragon and Golden compass movies. They skip small parts that make a huge difference. Harry Potter was fine until the newest movie. The beginning was made up. Those are the ones I have a huge opinion about although there are a few more...
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:13 am
I just watched the movie of The Talented Mr. Ripley. It was...kind of ugh. Even if I hadn't read the book, it would probably be ugh. Tom was painfully awkward almost the whole way through, and for being based off a book where the audience spends most of the time in the main character's head, it was kind of odd how little of a connection we were offered. Also, Tom seemed to get through the whole movie entirely on dumb luck. He didn't even do a very good job of impersonating Dickie. He hardly lived up to the title of "Talented." And then it seemed like everything the movie lacked, they tried to make up for in gay.
There were some fun little visual tricks that I thought were kind of neat--Tom's reflection splitting into two on the piano cover, things like that. But overall the movie was way too tense. Uncomfortably tense. Mainly in the musical score--it was kind of making me squirm. Also, I'm surprised I didn't have nightmares last night of Jude Law with his face sliced open.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:35 pm
I think I liked the movie better than the book, but the book (again, for reasons I can't specifically remember) didn't do it for me.
I always forget Jude Law was in that movie, though, because I don't think I will ever connect him to being Dickie. Not that he did a bad job, just, I don't know, Jude Law and Dickie somehow don't go together in my head.
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:10 pm
It varies. Drastically. Sometimes it's influenced by what I encountered first--while I like both versions of The Princess Bride, I like the movie better partially because I saw it before I read the book.
ELLA ENCHANTED PISSED ME OFF. It is one of the few times that I have ever gotten pissed off at an entire movie--usually it's just a detail that bugs me, like the "Velociraptors" in Jurassic Park.
...On second thought, all of the carnivores in the Jurassic Park series bugged the hell out of me. WHAT THE ******** DID YOU DO TO MY T. REX'S BITE FORCE?! THAT SPINOSAURUS SHOULD BE DEAD. WHY IS THAT SPINOSAURUS GOING AFTER PEOPLE? ARE THERE NO FISH ON THAT ISLAND?! SERIOUSLY, PEOPLE, WHAT. THE. CHRIST. *frothing raeg* A movie about dinosaurs SHOULDN'T GET SO MANY THINGS WRONG. gonk
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:17 pm
I agree with VenusRain... even though I have never seen Ella Enchanted. The movie that made me the maddest had to be Eragon. They skipped an ENTIRE CHARACTER and a small, yet major one at that. Solembum wasn't seen often in the books, but is a crucial character. If they make a movie of Eldest, the only reason I would see it would to see how they made it without Solembum in Eragon
That pissed me off, and I now officially HATE that movie.
(There were other character absences, but the one that really pissed me off was Solembum)
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:16 pm
Black_Midnight_Sparrow If they make a movie of Eldest They won't. They can't. There's no possible way they can continue from where the movie left off and not have to force Paolini to write a whole 'nother Inheritence series. In fact, the only thing I felt was any good about the movie was the fact that there won't be another one. Okay, yeah, and Baby Saphira was cute for all five minutes it was on-screen. I think, at the root of it all, there are only two big problems with the Eragon movie. Firstly, that it was based off something Christopher Paolini wrote, and secondly, that Paolini sold the rights to Fox. Speaking of Fox screwing over their book adaptations, I have very low expectations for The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. I have this sickening premonition that they'll try to incorporate an antagonist into the plot, which will naturally ruin everything, because unlike all the other Chronicles of Narnia, Voyage is the only one that deals mainly with Man vs. Nature and Man vs. Self rather than Man vs. Evil Presence Threatening to Overtake Fantasyland. And Man vs. Self/Man vs. Nature is not only more realistic, but it's also why Voyage is my favorite of the series--because it doesn't follow the tired old Fantasyland tradition of Capital-G Good vs. Capital-E Evil.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:51 pm
Speaking of movies that haven't been made yet, I saw a snippet somewhere about a possible Y: The Last Man movie featuring Shia LeBeouf as Yorick. This horrifies me.
Yorick's basically the No-Talent Bard character, but the catch is he's actually talented. He jokes and puns and goofs to hide the fact that he's insecure, scared, and depressed. He's also intelligent, and his Random, Eccentric Skill (he's an escape artist) becomes plot-relevant quite a few times. He's not just a confused moron, and that's really the only type of character I've seen Shia LeBeouf play. With Yorick being, more or less, the entire focus of Y: The Last Man, turning him into a one-liner gimmick will ruin everything ever /// wank wank cry crying
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:35 pm
For the most part, the books are far superior to the drek that Hollywood adds on to make movies, and I don't know how many book-to-movie adaptations I've seen that had me ticked off because they did stupid s**t. That being said, there are very few examples of where the movie turned out better than the book, or where the movie turned out to be pretty decent despite the added stuff.
In my general opinion, movies made from books should really just stick to the damn story that's in the frikken' book without adding extra stuff in about 90% of the time.
Okay: now 3 exceptions. Starship Troopers: for males AND females in the military sharing living spaces / bathrooms, and being much easier to watch than the book was to read.
Watchmen: for better costumes and glorious, glorious violence.
The Three Musketeers: A good movie in its own right, featuring memorable characters and good swashbuckling.
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:12 pm
I second Watchmen, although with the addend that I don't really like the comic or the movie. I prefer the movie, though, because it took out the goddamned squid and the stupid pirates and Ozymandias (who is awesome) looked less like a gay Caesar.
I prefer the movie Starship Troopers to the book, too, but that's another case of the movie being something I watched all the time as a kid. It's sort of a classic in our house.
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