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oOGarrettOo
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:53 pm


This thread is for any discussion on Wicca, especially concerning any of the stickies. All discussion must remain congenial. When insults start flying and crap hits the ceiling, this thread will be locked and another will be open and so on and so forth.

DON'T lose yourselves and start arguing. This guild is fact based before faith based.

The crew has the right to delete/remove/block any person they believe has disturbed the peace. If there is a problem, please contact me directly.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:52 am


So...

Recently several books that I have read (ones that are on various BTW recommended reading lists), have come off as being basically soft poly when it comes to Wicca. (in particular The Witches' God/ess by the Farrars and Vivianne Crowley's Wicca: The Old Religion in the New Millennnium).

Crowley's book was excellent, but she clearly talks about the Mother, Maiden, Crone aspects and clearly states that the the Lady has many names and many aspects and that she is invoked as various deities at the various Sabbats, etc...

Even more interesting is that she says that Aradia is the name that Wiccans use most often (which if I'm not mistaken, Leland's book was found to be fiction). Granted the book was written in 1996, but in certain ways it is very contradictory to what those on A&J and those here on Gaia have said as far as deity is concerned.

Then there was the link to the Patricia Crowther interview that was linked recently on A&J, where she talks about "The Craft of the Wise" being the oldest religion in the world (equating it at the same time with witchcraft). She also talks a bit about the MMC aspects of the Goddess.

I am so confused... confused


Also, not too long ago there was a on A&J about the God/ess, but it's wasn't very helpful either, since again it seems to contradict the above mentioned.

And then there was this quote (bolded by me)...

Quote:
We also have some positions here that are more popular
than others; we have some strong critics of Dion Fortune's "soft"
polytheism (myself included*), but this is more a matter of the culture
of this particular list than a Wiccan theology

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Sanguina Cruenta
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Eloquent Bloodsucker

PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:11 pm


I've seen this mentioned by someone before. Gardner mentions some deities, notably Isis, as being ancient cultures' understandings of his goddess. But the individual in question (can't for the life of me remember who it was) pointed out that it's not all goddesses he's talking about here. Just a few; mostly European, Near Eastern and Egyptian - but again, not all of these goddesses. My personal understanding of Crowley's writing was along these lines also.

Personal understanding of the theology seems to depend largely on one's experiences in Circle. So you'll get a fair few hard polys but a fair number of soft polys too. Personally I'd be interested to see whether the hard/soft split correlates to other Pagan practices, the hypothesis being that soft polys would be less likely to also practice a recon faith.

But regardless of the interpretation, the goddess of the Wica is still a specific goddess. I was under the strong impression that she was invoked under one guise only, that being the one known to the Wica, and under one name. So I'm unsure on that matter, unless some covens use other names in addition (as we known one can add but not take away) on the basis that the other name is a different understanding of their goddess.

We also can't forget that a lot of Wiccans out there depend a lot on what they've been taught lore-wise about the origins of their faith and completely ignore the actual reality of the situation. This sort of ignorance annoys me, particularly since it's their own faith and not someone else's. The lore is nice and all, but you can know your lore and also understand the objective reality of the situation. Denying it to cling to your lore is... silly.
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