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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:40 pm
So, in the US, God was tooken out of schools because a lady got on the stairs of the white house and complained untill she got her way. Needless to say her way was to take Christ out of school. (sad v.v)
So, I was wandering what you guys think about it. In the US, we have freedom of religion, so there arn't just Christians in the schools. They teach evolution, but not God created the universe. Most kids never heard of God, their parents don't want them to. Some schools you can't even bring a Bible, even though its a book. You also can't get it from the library, which in my opinion, you should. You can't, as a teacher, talk about Christianity, but you can talk about other religions.
What do you think?
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:57 pm
i don't think it has as much to do with politics as some people would have you think. politically, christians should have all the same freedoms of expression as any other religion (including atheism, because considering the evidence, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe was an accident). i think it is just the result of fear. the devil and those he has influenced know that if we are given the ability to speak, we'll win, and they'll lose their comfort zone of no accountability.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:15 am
Actually they can't stop you from bringing your bible to school, if you do and they take it away, you can make a big deal about it and they will be forced to look into it, and the truth is they can't keep you from taking it to school. This is one of those things where the general public believes one thing and the written law says another, so you just have to make everyone look at the written law, i.e. in California schools you would think it would be illegal to have a pocket knife, and everyone believes it is, but actually its illegal to have a pocket knife that has a blade bigger than 2 inches, when i was in high school i carried a small pocket knife on my that was just under 2 inches just because i knew i could. Bottom line people assume they have more power than they do, and until you question how much power they actually have, they can tell you whatever they want.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:58 am
When I was in Biology class in College, our professor was talking about the origin of life. He said there were 4 views on life, including Evolution and Creation. He said that he believes both. I was really tempted to say that he doesn't. I believe he said that because he doesn't want to start a religious debate.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:39 pm
brownieeyes91 i don't think it has as much to do with politics as some people would have you think. politically, christians should have all the same freedoms of expression as any other religion (including atheism, because considering the evidence, it takes a lot more faith to believe that the universe was an accident). i think it is just the result of fear. the devil and those he has influenced know that if we are given the ability to speak, we'll win, and they'll lose their comfort zone of no accountability. For the record you have every right to do anything religious that you want to. For example if your teacher decides that they are going to have the class be the study hall for the day... as a student you have every right as long as it is not interrupting class to lead a student prayer. You have every right to wear religious t-shirts, to bring your bible and read it in class, you have every right to pray during lunch, before school, and after school... and if the teachers tell you to stop (assuming you're not interrupting anything) you have every right to sue because the law protects you
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:42 pm
x-Mentally Green-x So, in the US, God was tooken out of schools because a lady got on the stairs of the white house and complained untill she got her way. Needless to say her way was to take Christ out of school. (sad v.v) So, I was wandering what you guys think about it. In the US, we have freedom of religion, so there arn't just Christians in the schools. They teach evolution, but not God created the universe. Most kids never heard of God, their parents don't want them to. Some schools you can't even bring a Bible, even though its a book. You also can't get it from the library, which in my opinion, you should. You can't, as a teacher, talk about Christianity, but you can talk about other religions. What do you think? Also I want to point out that most believe that Religion and Science are compliments. In other words they believe that religion explains what science can't and vice versa. However lately Science has been attempting to disprove religion. Even Christians are getting to a point where they believe in evolution I want to stress this point very clearly. The Bible says that the earth was created in seven days. The greek uses a word that means day and all other uses of that word day in the Bible it means one single day. Furthermore the Bible makes it very clear "There was morning and there was evening the first day" so we are talking about 7 consecutive 24 hour days. If you attempt to say its different you undermine the entire basis for Christianity, because that being the beginning of our Bible it's the roots that our entire religion is founded on
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:09 pm
Friar Thomas Also I want to point out that most believe that Religion and Science are compliments. In other words they believe that religion explains what science can't and vice versa. However lately Science has been attempting to disprove religion. Even Christians are getting to a point where they believe in evolution I want to stress this point very clearly. The Bible says that the earth was created in seven days. The greek uses a word that means day and all other uses of that word day in the Bible it means one single day. Furthermore the Bible makes it very clear "There was morning and there was evening the first day" so we are talking about 7 consecutive 24 hour days. If you attempt to say its different you undermine the entire basis for Christianity, because that being the beginning of our Bible it's the roots that our entire religion is founded on Actually the greek word Yom used in Genesis means more than just a single day, Moses used the word Yom to represent 12-hours, 24 hours, the creative week, forty days, several months, a lifetime, and eternity. the Bible Genesis 4:3 "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord."-- In this instance, Yom refers to a growing season, probably several months. Genesis 43:9 "...then let me bear the blame for ever."-- Here, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity Genesis 44:32 "...then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever."-- Again, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity Deuteronomy 4:40 "...that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth the, for ever."-- Here Yom represents a physical lifetime Deuteronomy 10:10, "Now I stayed on the mountain forty days and nights, as I did the first time,..."-- Here, Yom is a "time" equal to forty days. Deuteronomy 18:5 "...to stand to minister in the name of the Lord, him and his sons for ever."-- Again, Yom is translated as eternity Deuteronomy 19:9 "...to love the Lord thy God, and to walk ever in His ways..."-- Here, Yom represents a lifetime. As long as we live we are to walk in his ways Plus how God measures time and how we measure time are probably different units of time anyway, when YHWH said to Moses, "that was the first day" Moses probably assumed a 24 hour period, which is also what most people assume when they hear "one day." God told Moses he created the earth in seven days, but as to how long a day is to God, it could be 24 hours, it could be literally billions of years.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:19 pm
i believe that science and god compliment each other. it wouldn't make sense ffor one to defy the other. i think god made it so we might be able to comprehend and understand the world around us, so that both science textbooks and the bible can be true.
which is good. it would all be so much more complicated to understand if it weren't for logic.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:52 am
Lost Journeyer Friar Thomas Also I want to point out that most believe that Religion and Science are compliments. In other words they believe that religion explains what science can't and vice versa. However lately Science has been attempting to disprove religion. Even Christians are getting to a point where they believe in evolution I want to stress this point very clearly. The Bible says that the earth was created in seven days. The greek uses a word that means day and all other uses of that word day in the Bible it means one single day. Furthermore the Bible makes it very clear "There was morning and there was evening the first day" so we are talking about 7 consecutive 24 hour days. If you attempt to say its different you undermine the entire basis for Christianity, because that being the beginning of our Bible it's the roots that our entire religion is founded on Actually the greek word Yom used in Genesis means more than just a single day, Moses used the word Yom to represent 12-hours, 24 hours, the creative week, forty days, several months, a lifetime, and eternity. the Bible Genesis 4:3 "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord."-- In this instance, Yom refers to a growing season, probably several months. Genesis 43:9 "...then let me bear the blame for ever."-- Here, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity Genesis 44:32 "...then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever."-- Again, Moses uses Yom to represent eternity Deuteronomy 4:40 "...that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth the, for ever."-- Here Yom represents a physical lifetime Deuteronomy 10:10, "Now I stayed on the mountain forty days and nights, as I did the first time,..."-- Here, Yom is a "time" equal to forty days. Deuteronomy 18:5 "...to stand to minister in the name of the Lord, him and his sons for ever."-- Again, Yom is translated as eternity Deuteronomy 19:9 "...to love the Lord thy God, and to walk ever in His ways..."-- Here, Yom represents a lifetime. As long as we live we are to walk in his ways Plus how God measures time and how we measure time are probably different units of time anyway, when YHWH said to Moses, "that was the first day" Moses probably assumed a 24 hour period, which is also what most people assume when they hear "one day." God told Moses he created the earth in seven days, but as to how long a day is to God, it could be 24 hours, it could be literally billions of years. I disagree with you completely. The Bible makes it very clear that it was 24 hour consecutive 7 days. Anything else undermines Christianity as a whole. Why would God allow Moses to write "there was morning and there was evening" implying a 24 hour day if that wasn't the case. I'm not completely biased I know that the Bible isn't inerrant in some aspects however it is infaliable, and the creation story is so much more than just a story it's a faith issue. We don't know how long it took after the earth was created to the fall. But as a matter of faith I say my God can create the earth in 7 consecutive 24 hour days, anything else limits the power of God
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:53 pm
Actually, there are scientists who go out and prove God is real. They found evidence that moses spread the red sea, they found the ark, noah and the whale could of happened, and so on.
There even trying to find the tomb that Jesus was in, to prove that there is no body. But, abviously, its kind of hard. They're looking for an empty tomb, there are tons.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:03 pm
Friar Thomas I disagree with you completely. The Bible makes it very clear that it was 24 hour consecutive 7 days. Anything else undermines Christianity as a whole. Why would God allow Moses to write "there was morning and there was evening" implying a 24 hour day if that wasn't the case. I'm not completely biased I know that the Bible isn't inerrant in some aspects however it is infaliable, and the creation story is so much more than just a story it's a faith issue. We don't know how long it took after the earth was created to the fall. But as a matter of faith I say my God can create the earth in 7 consecutive 24 hour days, anything else limits the power of God I'm not saying that God couldn't create the world in 7 days, heck he could of made it in an instant, but evening and morning are perspective, if your not on earth how do you measure morning or evening, if your on say.. Jupiter, the difference between evening and morning is longer. And without clocks and calculators and everything how do you measure time? how could God communicate 325,245,865 years to Moses? He could say that it was one age or something, which then Moses could interpret as a day to God, I don't know exactly where it is, but someone says that 1000 years is but a single day to God, or something to that effect. I don't know where your getting this dead-set determination to believe nothing more than one thing, I personally don't believe anything man tells me with that much strength, Moses included, until I'm face to face with the Creator himself I don't plan to know exactly how the earth was created or what time frame, and I'm not going to tell anyone their wrong when trying to conceive the inconceivable. Maybe your right and it was created in 7 days our time, maybe not. But what does that change about how Jesus died? absolutely nothing, and that's the only really important thing.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:28 am
You're right I do have dead set determination but I would call it faith and nothing else. And I agree that it doesn't change how Jesus died, and it doesn't change much else but it does undermine the authority of our Bible.
If we allow man to say no it wasn't created in 7 days we allow man to dictate to us what else in the Bible isn't "true." Man will begin dictating that Jesus never rose, that Jesus never existed (I'm sure no one has ever heard this right? rolleyes ) But do you see my point? You're right God could have done it in any amount of time that he wanted to. But I believe that he did it in 7 consecutive 24 hour days. Could I be wrong sure...and it doesn't change one thing or another but it is a big part of my faith.
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:30 pm
My science teacher lets us talk about God in her class. We talked about the creation and how big the universe is one day (she said we're ready for college. lol) and we kept talking about God. It was a nice day that day. I belive God created Earth in 7 days. I don't care though. To be honest, I never even read 1/10 of the bible. I need to. I want to, but I'm to busy.
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:49 pm
Here's my question. Going with the scripture Lost Journeyer brought to the table, how could God have created the earth in seven 24 hour days if the universe is scientifically proven to be insanely old? God created the laws of science and physics and gave us the intelligence to discover Himself through these wonders. If Man has figured out the age of the universe, and the age of the earth using math and physics and chemistry - the very things God created - then how could He have created the earth in seven literal days? I'm not putting it past Him, though, don't get me wrong.
I'm sorry, but to let us figure out how old the universe is on our scale, if God created the earth in seven literal days, there would be a major contradiction between the Bible and the secular world. If scriptures say that a year is like a thousand days and vice versa for God, then it is so; a literal seven day creation account would have to be thrown out because it the Bible would be contradicting itself.
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:58 pm
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