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 Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:38 am
This is a random question that I have thrown out to many and got mixed answers. So I thought I would bring it up here. Who do you think would win in a match between a judo fighter and a jiu-jitsu fighter? And im not talking MMA style of fighting. Im talking about the discipline way.
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:36 am
Fundamentally speaking, if it is presumed that both combatants are of equivalent skill, size, stamina, strength, and speed, then as with all martial arts there is no superior and there would be no "winner". Each art has its own merits and principles which, if utilized by a skilled player would prove equally effective to the merits and principles of the other. For instance, jiu-jitsu presumably has a superior lock and manipulation technique, but judo has a superior throwing technique, etc. While my own bias lies along the lines of judo (my grandfather was a black belt, learned it during the Korean War), it is impossible to truly say which practitioner would win if all things are equal.
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:19 pm
This isn't so random as one would think ... this is a massive subject ... a great debate ... some say jiu-jitsu ... others say judo ... and I agree with ryker ... if two master go at it ... it should be a stalemate ... but history shows us that judo is better ... several instances in the past from the Japanese police force trying to choose an offical martial art (they had a tournament between judo and jiu-jitsu ... jui-jitsu only won one match) to Masahiko Kimura's victory over Helio Gracie (why do you think they call it the "kimura" lock) ... judo was superior ... but then again other people say other things ...
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:46 am
I see and understand both of your points and I expected answers along these lines coming from the guild members. Of course the answers I got varied because I would receive answers from fighters who were solely dedicated to jiu-jitsu or judo. I very rarely found people in both disciplines such as myself so it was nice to hear from people with open minds and people who put thought into it. I long debated between the techniques of both and thought that there would be no winner as both were dependent on the opponent coming to you. Thank you for your opinions. smile
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:02 pm
Are you comparing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu to Judo?
BJJ is Judo, just a different emphasis on ground grappling.
Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the predecessor or Judo in some ways.
It depends on the ruleset really....BJJ guys are limited in a Judo match due to the ruleset.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:31 pm
cRiMsOn_SaKuRa_DrEaMs I see and understand both of your points and I expected answers along these lines coming from the guild members. Of course the answers I got varied because I would receive answers from fighters who were solely dedicated to jiu-jitsu or judo. I very rarely found people in both disciplines such as myself so it was nice to hear from people with open minds and people who put thought into it. I long debated between the techniques of both and thought that there would be no winner as both were dependent on the opponent coming to you. Thank you for your opinions. smile Actually one of my training partners ... theotherbakasurvivor ... he is an ace at both and his melded them together ... some of the things he does baffle the hell out of us ...
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:33 pm
EuthanasiaLove Are you comparing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu to Judo? BJJ is Judo, just a different emphasis on ground grappling. Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the predecessor or Judo in some ways. It depends on the ruleset really....BJJ guys are limited in a Judo match due to the ruleset. But accordingly ... Gracie challenged Kimura to a match using BJJ rules and was beaten ...
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:47 pm
baka_boy1221 EuthanasiaLove Are you comparing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu to Judo? BJJ is Judo, just a different emphasis on ground grappling. Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the predecessor or Judo in some ways. It depends on the ruleset really....BJJ guys are limited in a Judo match due to the ruleset. But accordingly ... Gracie challenged Kimura to a match using BJJ rules and was beaten ... Thats very true...However BJJ has come a long way since then and Kimura was definately better on the ground than most Judoka.....Judo is BJJ and BJJ is Judo, its just most modern Judoka dont practice ground grappling. However, on the same note, alot of BJJ schools dont even practice takedowns and just jump guard.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:27 pm
EuthanasiaLove baka_boy1221 EuthanasiaLove Are you comparing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu to Judo? BJJ is Judo, just a different emphasis on ground grappling. Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the predecessor or Judo in some ways. It depends on the ruleset really....BJJ guys are limited in a Judo match due to the ruleset. But accordingly ... Gracie challenged Kimura to a match using BJJ rules and was beaten ... Thats very true...However BJJ has come a long way since then and Kimura was definately better on the ground than most Judoka.....Judo is BJJ and BJJ is Judo, its just most modern Judoka dont practice ground grappling. However, on the same note, alot of BJJ schools dont even practice takedowns and just jump guard. True ... but it all depends ...
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:29 pm
EuthanasiaLove baka_boy1221 EuthanasiaLove Are you comparing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu to Judo? BJJ is Judo, just a different emphasis on ground grappling. Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the predecessor or Judo in some ways. It depends on the ruleset really....BJJ guys are limited in a Judo match due to the ruleset. But accordingly ... Gracie challenged Kimura to a match using BJJ rules and was beaten ... Thats very true...However BJJ has come a long way since then and Kimura was definately better on the ground than most Judoka.....Judo is BJJ and BJJ is Judo, its just most modern Judoka dont practice ground grappling. However, on the same note, alot of BJJ schools dont even practice takedowns and just jump guard. I wouldn't say BJJ is judo ... BJJ is BJJ ... even though there are similarities ... they are completely different ...
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:51 pm
mmafighter1221 EuthanasiaLove baka_boy1221 EuthanasiaLove Are you comparing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu to Judo? BJJ is Judo, just a different emphasis on ground grappling. Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the predecessor or Judo in some ways. It depends on the ruleset really....BJJ guys are limited in a Judo match due to the ruleset. But accordingly ... Gracie challenged Kimura to a match using BJJ rules and was beaten ... Thats very true...However BJJ has come a long way since then and Kimura was definately better on the ground than most Judoka.....Judo is BJJ and BJJ is Judo, its just most modern Judoka dont practice ground grappling. However, on the same note, alot of BJJ schools dont even practice takedowns and just jump guard. I wouldn't say BJJ is judo ... BJJ is BJJ ... even though there are similarities ... they are completely different ... True ...
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:50 am
mmafighter1221 EuthanasiaLove baka_boy1221 EuthanasiaLove Are you comparing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to Judo or Japanese Jiu Jitsu to Judo? BJJ is Judo, just a different emphasis on ground grappling. Japanese Jiu Jitsu is the predecessor or Judo in some ways. It depends on the ruleset really....BJJ guys are limited in a Judo match due to the ruleset. But accordingly ... Gracie challenged Kimura to a match using BJJ rules and was beaten ... Thats very true...However BJJ has come a long way since then and Kimura was definately better on the ground than most Judoka.....Judo is BJJ and BJJ is Judo, its just most modern Judoka dont practice ground grappling. However, on the same note, alot of BJJ schools dont even practice takedowns and just jump guard. I wouldn't say BJJ is judo ... BJJ is BJJ ... even though there are similarities ... they are completely different ... Yes and no. Most practice Judo for sport, therefore there is more focus on throws for ippon. Judo should encompass all that BJJ has on the ground. However, the Gracie's did make several small changes after testing, so really the question could be answered either way. The majority of Judo guys train with Gi only, where BJJ guys usually do both. This is also based on my personal observation from training in both.
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:28 am
ryker_fury Fundamentally speaking, if it is presumed that both combatants are of equivalent skill, size, stamina, strength, and speed, then as with all martial arts there is no superior and there would be no "winner". Each art has its own merits and principles which, if utilized by a skilled player would prove equally effective to the merits and principles of the other. For instance, jiu-jitsu presumably has a superior lock and manipulation technique, but judo has a superior throwing technique, etc. While my own bias lies along the lines of judo (my grandfather was a black belt, learned it during the Korean War), it is impossible to truly say which practitioner would win if all things are equal. I agree completely... In my opinion you can't have one without the other. If you know Jiu Jitsu, your judo will be that much better... and vice versa. My personal favorite is Jiu Jitsu, however I wouldn't be able to make a prediction on a winner assuming they are the same skill, strength, and weight.
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:36 am
cRiMsOn_SaKuRa_DrEaMs I see and understand both of your points and I expected answers along these lines coming from the guild members. Of course the answers I got varied because I would receive answers from fighters who were solely dedicated to jiu-jitsu or judo. I very rarely found people in both disciplines such as myself so it was nice to hear from people with open minds and people who put thought into it. I long debated between the techniques of both and thought that there would be no winner as both were dependent on the opponent coming to you. Thank you for your opinions. smile Actually... There's one guy that comes to our studio sometimes (and he will also be fighting at my MMA fight on Saturday, very excited to watch that) That absolutely loves Judo and is a red belt in it but also does MMA. He teaches us some Judo and he has tought us some techniques for going to your opponent... Not just letting them come to you. And they're really fun. wink He's a very offensive and defensive fighter. I find it interesting and I look forward to the day I'm as good as him. lol
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:16 am
Kaji Da Tora cRiMsOn_SaKuRa_DrEaMs I see and understand both of your points and I expected answers along these lines coming from the guild members. Of course the answers I got varied because I would receive answers from fighters who were solely dedicated to jiu-jitsu or judo. I very rarely found people in both disciplines such as myself so it was nice to hear from people with open minds and people who put thought into it. I long debated between the techniques of both and thought that there would be no winner as both were dependent on the opponent coming to you. Thank you for your opinions. smile Actually... There's one guy that comes to our studio sometimes (and he will also be fighting at my MMA fight on Saturday, very excited to watch that) That absolutely loves Judo and is a red belt in it but also does MMA. He teaches us some Judo and he has tought us some techniques for going to your opponent... Not just letting them come to you. And they're really fun. wink He's a very offensive and defensive fighter. I find it interesting and I look forward to the day I'm as good as him. lol Well it all depends on the person ... there are judoka that are defensive and there are those that are offensive ... same is true in jiu-jitsu ... some guys are aces in the guard ... others are only good on top ... while others can do both ... all depends again on the person ...
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