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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:53 pm
So. As I'm sure you are aware, Golden Sun has many references to mythology in the game. I thought it might be fun to post some of them here, for those who don't yet know these stories. You're welcome to add to the list if you want, but please make sure you've researched what you add. I'll start us off with this:
Anemoi/Boreas Presumably the Anemoi are what made them give the Jupiter tribe the name Anemos. The Anemoi are the collective personifications/gods of directional wind in Greek Mythology. They are described as being gusts of wind, winged men and sometimes horses kept in the stables of the god Aeolus. They are: Boreas - North wind Notus - South wind Zephyrus - West wind Eurus - East wind There are also four lesser wind deities sometimes referenced: Kaikias - Northeast Apeliotes - Southeast Skiron - Northwest Livas - Southwest
Please add to the list if you can. I will be posting more later.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:09 pm
Ah this is very cool Tia! I love mythology! So I am seriously finding this interesting!
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:16 pm
I like the more obscure summon refrences myself--Tiamat was the goddess of salt water in Babylonian mythology. She wasn't a dragon, but they were a portion of the many many monsters she gave birth to on her roaring rampage of revenge. I know there's more, but I've forgotten a decent portion of it over time.
I also like Charon (The boatman! Two quarters, please.), but that's mostly because my biggest association with the name is Pluto's moon, and like any good crazy slash fangirl I ship Pluto/Charon. >_>;
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:19 pm
I love mythology. I'm actually taking a class on it this semester, it's hella fun.
Anyway, let's see what I can come up with. *Rubs hands*
-Thor, as we probably all know, was the Norse god of thunder. -Cybele was an earth goddess. Phrygian, according to Wikipedia, but she's roughly equivalent to the Greek Gaia. -Atalanta, just as she's described in the games, was an expert huntress. She's from Greek mythology. As a side note, she took a vow of celibacy as part of her devotion to Artemis. -The Nereids were Greek sea nymphs. -Tiamat was one of the early Babylonian goddesses, who fought against Marduk. -Kirin is probably a westernization of Qilin, a Chinese chimera-like creature wreathed in flames. -Procne was a minor character in Greek mythology. -Neptune was the Roman name for Poseidon, the Greek god of the sea and earthquakes. -Zagan is one of the kings of Hell in the Ars Goetia. -Megaera and Tisiphone were two of the Erinyes in Greek mythology. -Clotho, Atropos, and Lachesis were the Greek Fates. Clotho spun the cloth of a person's life, Lachesis measured it, and Atropos cut it when they died. -Ulysses was an alternate name for Odysseus, the hero of the Odyssey. -Haures is another demon of the Ars Goetia. -Coatlicue was an Aztec goddess. -Daedalus is probably rather well-known, from the story of Icarus, the boy who made wings out of wax and feathers and flew too close to the sun, at which point the wax melted and he fell to his death. Daedalus was his father. Greek. -Charon's portrayal in game is also quite accurate to his mythological persona: the boatman of the River Styx. Dead spirits would have to pay him to gain passage across the river so they could move on to their eternal rest. -Iris stays pretty true to her Greek mythological roots too, as a minor goddess of rainbows. She was also a messenger.
That's all the summons I knew off the top of my head or could find anything significant on with a quick search, plus a few of the weapon. I know there's more out there though.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:11 pm
x_x Geez Squee, you didn't need to do all that at once! (Btw, did you find it odd as I did that there was no Alecto reference in Golden Sun when there was Megaera and Tisiphone?) But, I'm going to elaborate on one of your points there.
Procne. A minor character in Greek Mythology, but the tale is a rather gruesome one. Procne was married to King Tereus of Thrace. She had a son by him named Itys and she had a sister named Philomena. Tereus raped Philomena and afterward cut out her tongue so she could not speak of it. But Philomena wove a tapestry telling of the rape and sent it to her sister, Procne. The sisters killed Itys and served him up to his father as food. Outraged, when he realised what they had done, Tereus chased the sisters with an axe. They prayed to the gods who turned Philomena into a swallow, Procne into a Nightingale and Tereus into a hoopoe.
Another interesting one: Susa and Kushinada. Or, I should say, Susanoo and Kushinada. Shinto legends describe Susanoo as the god of storms. After he was expelled from heaven he came across two crying earth deities who told him they must sacrifice their daughter Kushinada to the Orochi (a giant, eight-headed serpent) to prevent his violent rampage. Kushinada agreed to be Susanoo's bride if he would save her. Susanoo turned her into a comb and hid her in his hair to hide her from the Orochi. Kushinada's parents brewed eight vats of liquor and left them as an offering. Each of Ocochi's heads drank from them and it became intoxicated. Susanoo killed the beast. He then built a palace in Izumo where he and Kushinada were married.
Oh, and remember Ouranos? Also called Uranus, he's the Greek personification/god of the sky, and husband of Gaia, the earth.
And then there's Hestia, the Greek goddess of the fireside who gave up her place on Mount Olympus to Dionysus.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:02 am
Hmm, let's see what I can do to help...
Dullahan is a powerful fairy from Irish folklore, and is essentially the Irish version of the Grim Reaper. It takes the form of a horseman who carries his head under his shoulder. This head has tiny, constantly flitting black eyes, a hideous grin that goes from ear to ear, and flesh the color and texture of moldy cheese. Often, the horse itself is headless, and the dullahan may drive a coach pulled by several such headless horses. Gates cannot stop the dullahan's journey--they just unbar automatically as it approaches. Once the dullahan stops riding, it calls out a name. The mortal who is named dies, and the dullahan drags his/her soul to the afterlife. Those who try to spy on the dullahan riding across the country are rewarded with a bucketful of blood splashed in their faces. Curiously, dullahans are terrified of gold--even a gold pin can drive them away from their task.
Deadbeard (Talos in Japan) Talos comes from a figure from Greek mythology, who was a giant bronze man/god who sunk ships approaching Crete by tossing rocks at them.
Kraken are mythical sea monsters of gargantuan size, said to have dwelt off the coasts of Norway and Iceland. The sheer size and fearsome appearance attributed to the beasts have made them common ocean-dwelling monsters in various fictional works. The legend may actually have originated from sightings of real giant squid that are variously estimated to grow to 13–15 m (40–50 ft) in length, including the tentacles. These creatures normally live at great depths, but have been sighted at the surface and reportedly have "attacked" ships.
Valukar (Balrog in the Japanese version) The huge fiery demon from Lord of the rings xp
Azul (means blue in spanish) is modeled after the Leviathan described in the Old Testament of the Bible. The name "Leviathan" is used five times in the Bible, particularly in the Book of Job where the description in chapter 41 causes many to interpret it as a massive sea serpent, which lead to its popular modern-day image.
Manticore is a mythical creature often depicted with a man's head, a lion's body and the tail of either a dragon or a scorpion. Its name means "man-eater", referring to its habit of devouring humans found in small groups in the desert. Other aspects of the creature vary from story to story; in some cases, it can shoot poisonous spines. Origin: Persia
Hydra in Greek mythology was an ancient serpent-like water beast that had multiple heads and toxic breath. The Hydra of Lerna, which was slain by Hercules for his Twelve Labors, lived in the Spring of Amymone. Its blood was then used by Hercules to make poisoned arrows for future tasks.
Whew, that should cover most of the bosses. Thank god for Wikipedia. If I have the time and intrest I might try to make same kind of a list about legendary weapons.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:22 pm
Fiery Tiamat x_x Geez Squee, you didn't need to do all that at once! (Btw, did you find it odd as I did that there was no Alecto reference in Golden Sun when there was Megaera and Tisiphone?) Eh, no biggie. A lot of it was either off the top of my head, or just a quick glance at the Wikipedia page, so it didn't take long. But yeah, I did find it odd, once I looked up where Megaera and Tisiphone came from. Perhaps we can expect to see an Alecto in GSDS? Or maybe Alex's name is a vague reference to it? Ah yeah, how could I have forgotten the Dullahan? Irish mythology is my favorite, that should have been the first one to come to mind. >< Going into the more Hermetic stuff, there's a thread on a forum I go to here, in which another member talks a bit about the parallels between GS and Hermeticism. Of particular note: Kraden's Japanese name is Sclater, which may be a reference to Philip Sclater, who is a responsible for the real-world legend of Lemuria. Now, as for weapons, there are a couple more I forgot: -Staff of Anubis. Anubis, as many of us probably know, what the Egyptian jackal-headed god of embalming who acted as a guide for dead souls. -Goblin Rod. Specifically its unleash, Sargasso. The Sargasso Sea is a region of the North Atlantic (and if I remember correctly, you find the Goblin Rod in one of the shallows in the northern ocean). -Meditation Rod. "Nirvana" is the Buddhist term for release from the cycle of death and rebirth. -Thanatos Mace. Thanatos was the Greek personification of death. -Darksword's unleash, Acheron's Grief. Acheron was the name of one of the five rivers in the Greek underworld.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:13 pm
Here's the weapons I gathered:
Kusanagi/Cloud brand Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi is a legendary Japanese sword as important to Japan's history as Excalibur is to Britain's, and is one of three Imperial Regalia of Japan. It was originally called Ama-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi ("Sword of the Gathering Clouds of Heaven") but its name was later changed to the more popular Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi ("Grass Cutting Sword"). Related to Susanoo, Kushinada, Izumo and the eight-headed serpent story
Phaeton's blade In Greek mythology, Phaëtōn or Phaethōn was the son of Helios. Perhaps the most famous version of the myth is given us through Ovid in his Metamorphoses (Book II). Phaeton seeks assurance that his mother, Clymene, is telling the truth that his father is the sun god Helios. When Phaeton obtains his father's promise to drive the sun chariot as proof, he fails to control it and the Earth is in danger of burning up when Phaeton is killed by a thunderbolt from Zeus to prevent further disaster.
Tisiphone and Vengeance Tisiphone (Ancient Greek: "avenging murder") was one of the Erinyes or Furies, and sister of Alecto and Megaera. She was the one who punished crimes of murder: parricide, fratricide and homicide. A myth recounts how Tisiphone fell in love with Cithaeron, and caused his death by snakebite, specifically, by one of the snakes from her head. In Book VI of Virgil's Aeneid, Tisiphone is recognized as the furious and cruel guardian of the gates of Tartarus.
Masamune and Muramasa A legend tells of a test where Muramasa challenged his master, Masamune, to see who could make a finer sword. They both worked tirelessly and eventually, when both swords were finished, they decided to test the results. The contest was for each to suspend the blades in a small creek with the cutting edge facing the current. Muramasa's sword, the Juuchi Yosamu (10,000 Cold Nights) cut everything that passed its way; fish, leaves floating down the river, the very air which blew on it. Highly impressed with his pupil's work, Masamune lowered his sword, the Yawarakai-Te (Tender Hands), into the current and waited patiently. Not a leaf was cut, the fish swam right up to it, and the air hissed as it gently blew by the blade. After a while, Muramasa began to scoff at his master for his apparent lack of skill in the making of his sword. Smiling to himself, Masamune pulled up his sword, dried it, and sheathed it. All the while, Muramasa was heckling him for his sword's inability to cut anything. A monk, who had been watching the whole ordeal, walked over and bowed low to the two sword masters. He then began to explain what he had seen. "The first of the swords was by all accounts a fine sword, however it is a blood thirsty, evil blade, as it does not discriminate as to who or what it will cut. It may just as well be cutting down butterflies as severing heads. The second was by far the finer of the two, as it does not needlessly cut that which is innocent and undeserving." It has also been told that once drawn, a Muramasa blade has to draw blood before it can be returned to its scabbard, even to the point of forcing its wielder to wound himself or commit suicide. Thus, it is thought of as a demonic cursed blade that creates bloodlust in those who wield it.
Excalibur Excalibur is the legendary sword of King Arthur, sometimes attributed with magical powers or associated with the rightful sovereignty of Great Britain. Sometimes Excalibur and the Sword in the Stone (the proof of Arthur's lineage) are said to be the same weapon, but in most versions they are considered separate. The sword was associated with the Arthurian legend very early.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:43 pm
Slightly small but you're forgetting the big one!
The Djinn are the genies of traditional Arabic mythology and Islamic theology. They aren't like what you see in Aladdin. Creatures of free will, made of energy. They take on different forms as need be. They account for most of the magic that humans can perceive.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:14 pm
Vulcan Axe Vulcan is the Roman name for Hephaestus, a blacksmith god associated with fire and volcanoes.
Aegis Shield Aegis is the shield used by Zeus in Greek myth.
Cronos mail - Cronos (also spelled Cronus) Cronos was a Titan, the youngest child of Gaia and Uranus. Uranus disliked his Titan children, and when they were born he locked them in Tartarus, causing Gaia pain (for Tartarus was her bowels.) She fashioned a sickle of adamant and gave it to Cronos. When Uranus came to breed with Gaia, Cronos castrated him with the sickle and ruled in his place. He was later deposed by his own son, Zeus.
Triton's Ward - Triton The son of Posiedon and Amphitrite. Depicted as a merman, he had a conch shell which he blew to raise or quiet the waves.
Fujin Shield Japanese god of the wind and one of the eldest Shinto gods.
Valkyrie Mail Characters from Norse mythology, Valkyries chose who would die in battle and brought them to the halls of Valhalla.
Erebus Armor Erebus is the personification of darkness/shadow in Greek mythology.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:28 am
Funny how males could equip Valkyrie Mail, in my opinion.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:06 am
Drake the Hero Funny how males could equip Valkyrie Mail, in my opinion. Now that you mention it, yeah. It would have made more sense to give them an equivalent piece of equipment, like Einherjar Armor or something.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:10 am
Before I knew GS3 was coming out I began to design a fan game that took place right after 2. The ultimate weapon was a sword called "Valhalla Breaker."
Valhalla Armor sounds cooler anyway... X3 Plus I dunno how to pronounce Einherjar anyway.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:11 am
Drake the Hero Before I knew GS3 was coming out I began to design a fan game that took place right after 2. The ultimate weapon was a sword called "Valhalla Breaker." Valhalla Armor sounds cooler anyway... X3 Plus I dunno how to pronounce Einherjar anyway. It's like "ayn-HARE-yar," approximately. I dunno, I'm not very good at typing out pronunciations. DX Anyway, the reason I picked that was because the Einherjar were basically the male equivalents of the Valkyries: bold warriors who had died in battle gloriously and earned the right to fight alongside Odin at Ragnarok.
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:33 am
ThePhantomSquee It's like "ayn-HARE-yar," approximately. I dunno, I'm not very good at typing out pronunciations. DX Anyway, the reason I picked that was because the Einherjar were basically the male equivalents of the Valkyries: bold warriors who had died in battle gloriously and earned the right to fight alongside Odin at Ragnarok. Hold on a second. Eiherjars and valkyries are two completely different things. The valkyries were "chooser of the slain", gods with the task of gathering fallen warriors, einherjar, who had proven their worth in battle. The einherjar would then stay at Valhalla waiting for Ragnarök, while some valkyries serve them Sæhrímnir and mead. So, the base difference is: valkyries are gods and einherjar are deceased mortal. (Also, einherjar can be a woman)
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