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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:57 pm


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Do you think that the Cunningfolk were witches? Why or why not?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:09 pm


First define cunning folk.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:29 pm


I dunno. Did they practise witchcraft?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:10 am


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First define cunning folk.
I use the explanation given by Wikipedia:

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The cunning man or cunning woman was, in English, Welsh and Swedish history,[1][2][3][4] a professional or semi-professional practitioner of folk magic, or, according to some definitions, "white witchcraft", up until the 20th century and, to a lesser degree, to the present day.

The term "cunning man" or "cunning woman" was most widely used in southern England and the Midlands, as well as in Wales.[5] Such people were also frequently known across England as "wizards", "wise men" or "wise women",[5] or, in southern England and Wales, as "conjurers".[5] In Cornwall they were sometimes referred to as "pellars", which some etymologists suggest originated from the term "expellers", referring to the practice of expelling evil spirits.[5] Folklorists often used the term "white witch", though this was infrequently used amongst the ordinary folk as the term "witch" had general connotations of evil.[6] In Sweden, they were known as a klok gumma literally meaning "wise old woman" or a klok gubbe "wise old man"[7]
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:16 am


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I dunno. Did they practise witchcraft?
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Some say they did some say they didn't.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:58 pm


Well most of the "cunning folk" used a Christian mythos to "blend in" as I see it. Mostly they protected other villagers against witchcraft.

Hell, they might have even caused the malicious witchcraft and then sold charms to protect against their own magic to make a profit! Who knows XD

Which is totally something some witches that I know in Cornwall would do razz

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:18 pm


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Well most of the "cunning folk" used a Christian mythos to "blend in" as I see it.


I think there's a big misunderstanding about the nature of Christianity in mediaeval and early Renaissance England. Not just you, Angus, I mean generally. In the towns and cities it was your general Catholicism, but most people didn't live in towns and cities. Most people lived in villages and rural areas. And they practised "popular religion".

This was up until the Reformation when there was something of an overhaul (and more people moving to the towns) and religion became more standardised. But until then, they practised Christianity not so much alongside their folk beliefs, but as a sort of syncretism. They saw no contradiction. They were concerned with what they needed, with sowing and the harvest etc, rather than with what was orthodoxy and what wasn't. They weren't literate for the most part. It's not like they were deliberately trying to retain folk beliefs; by this point there was no distinction made. Like the concept of "sin eaters", and putting wool in a shepherd's coffin to let god know why he hadn't been in church on sunday.

So they wouldn't have "used" Christianity to "blend in". They were Christian. Essentially they were no different to anyone else in their areas.

What we need to do is define "witchcraft" as they used it - they wouldn't have described themselves as witches - and as we use it, and acertain whether they were witches as we think of them today.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:57 pm


Arcanist Angus
Well most of the "cunning folk" used a Christian mythos to "blend in" as I see it. Mostly they protected other villagers against witchcraft.

Hell, they might have even caused the malicious witchcraft and then sold charms to protect against their own magic to make a profit! Who knows XD

Which is totally something some witches that I know in Cornwall would do razz
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What I have read has lead me to believe that it may have been the case in some situations. A cunning man or Woman cast a spell on one person because they were asked, and the person who they cast a spell on asked them to cast a spell for protection. It can be the case.
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