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Little Heir Apparent Vice Captain
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 Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:42 pm
(I'm still working this whole thing out myself, so... the answers I have aren't very thought out. Lol, maybe I should actually take Psychology classes. I hope we can work this whole thing out together.)
Questions that we can ponder:
1. Are there different levels of Mind Reading? As in, the depth and extent of the Reading done? Conscious, or unconscious level? Or both?
2. How does sharing the Mind Reading work? Also, to what extent does the bond between the Mind Reader and the person sharing the Psynergy go? Is their perspective on the mind they're reading the same as the perspective of the person that's Mind Reading?
3. Why is it that adepts are aware of a person mind reading them, and not non-adepts?
4. Mind Readers can actually speak to the person they're reading. How does that work, exactly? Is it more Thought sharing, than speaking?
My thoughts on those:
First off, to explain how I think Mind Reading works... Mind Reading works when you are in physical contact with the person you want to mind read. Ivan closes his eyes when mind reading, so perhaps they're closed in concentration. And/or it's because you don't need your actual eyes to peer into the minds of the people you're reading? Like you're using your spiritual eyes instead, haha. On how the Psynergy bridges a connection between the Reader and the person being read, I'm not sure yet. But I think the Psynergy is just manipulating something that is already natural, and (possibly) in existence.
1. From what I've seen in the game (most prominently, when Ivan meets Isaac/Garet, and their adventure in Vault)... I think that Mind Reading touches on both the conscious, and the unconscious, at the same time. They're separate, but they're still connected.
Example: (in the attic of the inn) Ivan is able to mind read Isaac, and visit his memories, while Isaac's listening and responding to Garet. What makes Isaac different from a non adept, in this case, is that Isaac's Psynergy possibly connects his unconscious, to his conscious - to me, this makes sense, considering that Adepts are probably more connected to their unconscious, due to their use of Psynergy, which is basically, spiritual power. Plus, the fact that Isaac can think separately from what Ivan's reading of his memories suggests that there IS a distinction between the two states, and Isaac's aware of Ivan's reading of him, but he keeps the two states separate. (I think this answered my third question as well, haha).
I'll get to the rest of the questions I thought of, later. razz I'm still researching this entire thing. It's fun, isn't it? biggrin
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:02 am
Let me ramble aimlessly at you!
1. Are there different levels of Mind Reading? As in, the depth and extent of the Reading done? Conscious, or unconscious level? Or both?
Possibly, although you probably con't focus on them both at once without frying your brain.
2. How does sharing the Mind Reading work? Also, to what extent does the bond between the Mind Reader and the person sharing the Psynergy go? Is their perspective on the mind they're reading the same as the perspective of the person that's Mind Reading?
Physical contact, it looks like. While it's shown that you don't need to touch someone to mind-read, it probably comes in a lot clearer, so given the concentration required it's probably just easier for them to all be in physical contact. It seems to be more of a transfer-of-thought than actually letting the other person mind-read, though, so it's all probably from the perspective of the first Mind Reader.
3. Why is it that adepts are aware of a person mind reading them, and not non-adepts?
It's shown in-game that Adepts can percieve Psynergy itself. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up on any use of it within their sensory range. Like a Psynergy radar. 8D
4. Mind Readers can actually speak to the person they're reading. How does that work, exactly? Is it more Thought sharing, than speaking?
The Wise One did it. ಠ_ಠ idk, man, idk.
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:32 am
I'm confused about 4. Do you mean the reader speaking to the one being read at the same time they are reading their mind?
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:27 pm
@Caz: ... Yeah. :O
@Venus: YAY RAMBLING.
1. I'd hate to try that balancing act myself... XD It usually has to be on an unconscious level, from what I saw from the incident with the Vault thieves... Would you think it'd be harder, reading the unconscious? :O I think so, especially when the person you're reading is alert. XDDD
2. That makes more sense than what I was thinking, with the transfer-of-thought idea. XD I'm curious - what do you think happens, when a mind reader is reading that person's mind? Do you think they are a seperate conscious in the memory or whatever, or are seeing through that person's eyes? :O I've seen it portrayed as both in fanfics I've read.
3. ARRGH WISE ONE!!!
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Little Heir Apparent Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:39 pm
I'm too lazy to read all of that.
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:48 pm
That makes me feel good... XD I'll ask you a simple question, then: Since Ivan's mind reading is only reading the conscious/unconscious of another person, do you think he's reading not only what happened, but what the person was feeling in their emotions?
When you think about it in that sense, to feel their emotions, you have to have a certain empathy - you can't literally turn into another person, with their attitude and personality. That's how I think of it, at least. Ivan's a sensitive kind of guy, so I guess he's naturally made for that aspect of mind reading.
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Little Heir Apparent Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:51 am
1. I'd hate to try that balancing act myself... XD It usually has to be on an unconscious level, from what I saw from the incident with the Vault thieves... Would you think it'd be harder, reading the unconscious? :O I think so, especially when the person you're reading is alert. XDDD
It probably would be--surface thoughts could drown out what you're trying to find in the person's head... or lead you to something you did not want to see. gonk
2. That makes more sense than what I was thinking, with the transfer-of-thought idea. XD I'm curious - what do you think happens, when a mind reader is reading that person's mind? Do you think they are a seperate conscious in the memory or whatever, or are seeing through that person's eyes? :O I've seen it portrayed as both in fanfics I've read.
I think it'd be like an outsider watching through the person's eyes--they aren't getting the full emotional impact of the scene, but it's the readee's memory, and you can't change the perspective of that. ...I hope that made sense. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:20 pm
... That usually leads to disastrous consequences... doesn't it... :'D
Agreed, since you can't completely become that person, you know? You can be empathetic, but you can't exactly fit the scene to make it how YOU see it.. I guess interpretation's only for after the mind reading's done.
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Little Heir Apparent Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:40 pm
If by disasterous consequences you mean shrieking DO NOT WANT that the top of your lungs, then possibly yes. 8D
Yep! I'm glad that was clear. whee
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:41 pm
I think for number 3, I believe it's because Adepts can see Psynergy being used. The blue rings of light, remember?
As for number four, if you are aware of somebody reading your mind, you can think "hi" and that's what the other person will read.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:12 am
Wrath of Ezekiel As for number four, if you are aware of somebody reading your mind, you can think "hi" and that's what the other person will read. I think you've got it backwards there. She's referring to the mind reader sending their thoughts through the link to the person whose mind is being read.
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