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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:27 am
This arguement has been around since UFC 1 ... what's better jiu-jitsu or wrestling ... I've asked this question to all my training partner ... and we are split down the center ... and I get both sides of the arguments ... but what do you guys think ... what's better jiu-jitsu or wrestling ...
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:30 pm
Thats really hard to say nowadays since most wrestlers use "ground and pound" against the jiu jitsu guard. If a jiu jitsu fighter is active in their guard, the wrestler dosent stand a chance, but if the wrestler postures up then its the other way around.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:37 pm
to me jiu jitsu is the more advanced more tactical martial art but its all about the fighter you can go back and forth on this again and again but it all is determined by the fighter
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:35 pm
wrestling 100% no offense to any jiu jitsu fighters but wrestlers are more dedicated and ..i cant think of the word....but i guess you could say somthing along the lines of rough, not the word i was looking for but close enough. but yea jiu jitsu isnt easy but wrestling practices and matches, in my opinion. are alot harder.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:59 pm
you really think so well honestly i have beaten so many wrestlers in my high school i challanged evrey wrestler on the team incuiding division one all americans and defeated them all by submission we train harder we have better technique no offense to any wrestler but were all around better
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:00 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:35 pm
You have two very different styles here ... it is almost that classic arguement of cunning vs power ... technique vs strength ... but in order to break it down ... you have to look at the different styles of wrestling ... freestyle, Greco-Roman, and catch ...
Each have their benifits and costs ... freestyle you attack the whole body ... but it has very little in the way of submissions ... same goes for Greco-Roman ... but in Greco you can only attack the upper body ... now with catch wrestling ... there are the submissions ... mainly focused on attack ... though several defensive moves also ...
Also you will need to look at what type game does the jiu-jitsu fighter bring ... does he have a defensive posture ... or is he more offensive orientated ... is he good off his back or better on top ...
From there ... I don't know ... it all depends on the fighter ...
But if I have to choose a side ... I have to go with wrestling (within MMA ... at least) ... you have several instances where wrestlers like Sakuraba, Lesnar, T. Griffin have use their knowlegde of wrestling to: A) gain dominate positions B) weight control C) keep the fight standing D) escape submssions F [for at least Saku]) counter submit
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:10 am
As with so many other style matchups, it boils down largely to technique. Krav maga borrows heavily from both styles for its takedowns and ground format. As always, the equivalency of the practitioners is in question. On a basis of equal level of training, there is no real way to say which style wins. Let us assume a generic sort of wrestling for the purposes of this model of the type you might see in early MMA training.
The venue becomes more important if all other factors (training, conditioning) are equal. Honestly, in a format where submissions and careful tactical thought are a must (such as an MMA match or a submission exposition) one must give the edge to jiu-jitsu.
Contrarily, in a situation where instinct and powerful ground striking are more useful (a street fight, a law enforcement situation) one must give the advantage to a wrestling form.
Realistically, with the rise of MMA as a valid and effective way of embracing the martial arts, both jiu-jitsu and wrestling are becoming more and more prevalent. Each has its own pros and cons, and there are too many factors in a given fight to predict exactly who will win when all things are equal. Asked my personal preference, I would suggest wrestling but I am severely biased due to training and physical size, as well as my limited exposure to jiu-jitsu.
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:55 am
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 3:05 pm
I a battle of catch wrestling and jiu-jitsu ... I think it would be more about patience and looking position (both offensive and defensive) ...
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:18 am
afromma I a battle of catch wrestling and jiu-jitsu ... I think it would be more about patience and looking position (both offensive and defensive) ... That's a good point ... Rumor has it Sakuraba is going to fight another Gracie ...
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:12 pm
Hard to say ... both have strengths ... wrestling you have takedowns, takedown defense, and cardio/conditioning ... while jiu-jitsu has all the submissions to end a fight ... so it depends ... is this a grinder or a quick finish ... either way ... for me ... I'm not sure who would win ...
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:17 pm
Wrestling for me ... wrestler are functionally stronger ... and incredible flexible ... I should know ... I was put into a deep oma plata ... and well felt nothing really ... though everyone in my corner told me later that they were tapping for me ... if that's not a good example ... look for Ben Henderson vs Donald Cerrone I ... you'll understand what I mean ...
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 12:33 am
personally, its jitsu all the way. I'm all for the fact that wrestlers can have advantages and can to some degrees take out people who use jiu-jitsu, but i've heard from a few minor MMA fighters who first started with wrestling, and then changed over to Jiu-jitsu because of better advantages. Does it always work yes. Does it some times fail, yes. It depends on how the people is trained, how far, and how well they use it.
Also, Superman, anyone whos trained in jiu-jitsu is trained to fight as well as receive extensive training and can be just as dedicated to their training as wrestlers. Again it depends on the person, and how much time they can give. I'm not saying your not right, to some degree wrestlers are more agressive, but sometimes in my opinion, agressiveness is a down fall.
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:15 pm
Then we have to look at Matt Hughes destruction of Royce Gracie ... as well as the war between Saku and the Gracie clan ...
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