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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:13 am
Lately I haven't felt "Christian."
I find religion class in school to be boring. It feels like they're just telling me the same stuff over and over.
Is it enough to say you're Christian? Or do you have to go out and do stuff, attend Church, and everything else? I attend Church, but lately I haven't been going because I don't like our Youth Group leader. She treats us like little kids when almost all of us are in our teens. There are hyper active little kids there that won't stop fighting, and I only talk to some of the other girls. Our youth group doesn't do anything. We've had people come in to talk to us about doing outings and stuff, but we don't take action. I feel like I can do more, but I don't know what to do. <3
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:52 pm
No, it is not enough to say that you are a Christian. I believe that in this land of this day that we live in, most people would call themselves a "Christian." But here is a question that we need to ask ourselves, "Am I a true Christian?"
What do I mean by a true Christian? I mean by in this definition, "A person that has been washed under the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, that his sins are forgiven, and that he is living for God and longing to be with Him in eternity." That I believe is the definition of "True Christianity" that I could find in the Bible.
Now, I want to point this out here, going to Church and doing what is right is not being a Christian. Going to Church doesn't save any one of us. Don't get me wrong. I believe that going to Church is a tremendous blessing to go to build up your faith and to feelowship with others, but going to Church is not what makes us Christian.
Also, my pastor said this a few weeks ago and I blessed him for that. He said, "If you do all kind of good works, like going to Youth Gatherings, Donating to charity, or whatever you may do, if it is without faith, God considers it evil. Because it is written that without faith, our works are like oily rags to Him." Good works doesn't make us "Christians" either. We cannot work our way into Heaven but rather, we are born again and the good works would come naturally to us, like He said it will.
So if you need any help or any advice or encouragement, please feel free to PM me. ^^
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 12:53 pm
i believe the bible says your supposed to go out and preach the word of god ... if anyone can provide the verse i thank you in advance
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:32 pm
Here is the problem that most people have with Christianity, it is not enough to just say you are christian. Its also not enough to go to church every Sunday and Wednesday and tithing and leading others to the lord. The sad truth is right in Romans (can't remember the actual verses) "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." No matter how much you do, you can never 'earn' you're way into heaven. Salvation itself cannot be earned, only accepted. A man can devote his entire life to the church and giving to others and be seen as a 'holy man' but if he didn't truly believe that Jesus paid the price for his sin, He would be damned to hell. The opposite extreme, someone could be a mass murderer killing people just for the fun of it, after killing dozens of people he could be put on death row, seconds before he goes on the electric chair to pay for his crimes if someone were to witness to him, and he truly believed that God forgave him for his wretched life, that man would spend eternity in paradise. Yes, Grace and Mercy are unfair.
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:56 pm
funny thing is i have read some passages that say only faith in jesus is enough
Galatians 2:16
nevertheless knowing that (a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law
but also passages that also say faith alone is not enough
Matthew 19:17
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
Luke 10:26-28
26 Jesus replied, “What does the law of Moses say? How do you read it?” 27 The man answered, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.’ And, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 28 “Right!” Jesus told him. “Do this and you will live!”
James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
if anyone wishes to enlighten me on these please do as i do not wish to refute christianity ... just more questions ive come across over the years
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:20 pm
@Fighter there are verses that would appear to contradict. Its really more about wordage.
Notice Galations says the works of the law. The law is specifically Jewish law which if you read through Jesus' life he says "I haven't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it"
basically the works of the law do not save us. But without works our faith is dead. So yes we need faith in order to be saved but our faith without the works well...then our faith is useless to us
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:17 pm
the way i look at it is that faith is enough to be a christian, and the works are an extension of that faith. think of it this way: if you know about and care about a person, you can say you are their friend, but if you never do anything with or for that person, you don't really have a friendship with them.
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:01 pm
Faith alone will get you to heaven, but if you truly have faith, you will do good works instinctively. @Fighter, you shouldn't take verses out of context like that verse from James, before it says "a man is justified by works and not faith alone" like you quoted it explains why that is. James 2:14-17 14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.(NIV) the context of a verse will tell you what that verse is trying to get across Psalm 14:1a The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:51 pm
14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
so basicly anyone that has ever said yahweh does not exist ... they are evil and corrupt. they can only doeth evil and abominable works
how was i taking it out of context though
even with the previous passages i see that even if we have faith we need acts to reinforce that faith and we are judged apon them
james 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, (A)you foolish fellow, that (B)faith without works is useless?
you said that Faith alone will get you to heaven, but if you truly have faith, you will do good works instinctively.
the instinctively good works of a christian are all up to interpretation as well ...
do you think the westboro baptist church are doing good things because of their faith or no .. it seems to me their faith is quite sound... and they are witnessing to this country... one of their main attacks is the gays and how the accepting of homosexuality will eventually turn america into a place like sodom and gamorah ... and how god is punishing america for being gay friendly
true faith from christians .. have taken some to extremist actions .. and some disgusting actions as well
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 12:40 am
Faith alone is enough, and you can tell someones faith by their actions. You, like most people, think that just because someone says they are doing God's will, they actually are. Are you sure that way they are doing is in true faith? Surely that's what they claim, but is it truly the will of God? Peoples logic is not always sound, years back a group of Christians started demolishing abortion clinics. A group could very well start killing all gay people. Are those good works? It all comes down to personal interpretations, which are 99% wrong, since after reading something the first time, most of us come to a different conclusion, and we can't all be right. People take that initial conclusion without further thought and go with it. If they cannot give a sound reason for their actions other than faith or trust in God, then it is most likely the opposite. 1 Peter 3:13-16 13Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? 14But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened." 15But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander. We are commanded by God to have a reason for our faith. And I'll just tell you this from personal experience. People aren't gay. Its a psychological thing, but the oppression of the media and culture won't let this fact get out. There is no "gay gene" only in the last 20 years did the whole "born that way" argument get started. Tolerance is going too far too fast, you can't 'tolerate' everyone's 'personal truths' but we're trying, and it will be our downfall. How much longer until someone's 'personal truth' that murder is ok, is tolerated? And one more thing, why doesn't this 'tolerance' include Christianity? Culture doesn't tolerate Christianity because to do that would to be to tolerate the belief that homosexuality is sin, that there is one God, that all other religions are wrong, that miracles are possible. Accepting that miracles are possible would through off modern science, aside from the big bang and spontaneous generation of life, where the miracles are accepted and not admitted. Anyway I'm done ranting now.
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:17 am
the gay gene .. i know thats a complete freaking hoax ... i agree that 99% of people will misinterpret the bible ... even i will
i dont remember where i heard it but even demons will site scripture to fit their needs...
good and evil are abstracts and human concepts and what is evil to one may be different from others
if a group of christians rounded together and killed a group of gay people ... i would be upset ... but not surprised due to its in their scripture ...
abortion i will not touch for i do wish my mother went through with it to this day
tolerance i find is a two way street and i find most people wont let it be that way ... culture wont tolerate christianity probbably because of how mainstreem it is ... you need to tolerate muslims, gays, etc ... i try to be tolerant of everyones religion and have very interesting conversations with those people... and out of curiosity.. you say psychological thing ... do you mean like its a mental disorder
anyway i think my insomnia is subsiding and i can finally fall asleep
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:59 am
One of the major points that I forgot to include was that I go to a Catholic school, and an Episcopalian church. I realize that both religions are very similar, but there are large differences. When they teach me in school, I feel confused, because they teach me slightly differently in church.
Don't get me wrong, I truly have faith in God, and believe I will be saved. But everything else just makes me wonder... I try to be tolerant of people's differences. But it's hard sometimes. <3
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:08 pm
Fighter_guy good and evil are abstracts and human concepts and what is evil to one may be different from others Good and evil aren't abstract or relative, but that's how most people want to see it, but any argument for this would have to say that the holocaust and slavery were okay, because it wasn't evil to them, after all its just relative, so they were doing what was good in their eyes. Fighter_guy tolerance i find is a two way street and i find most people wont let it be that way ... culture wont tolerate christianity probbably because of how mainstreem it is ... you need to tolerate muslims, gays, etc ... i try to be tolerant of everyones religion I like the way you put that, you try. Because the truth is you can't tolerate everything, its all about what you don't tolerate. Christianity isn't mainstream anymore, if you're a christian your stereotyped as intolerant (which is just ironic), close-minded (also ironic), and wrong. All the 'counter-culture' that has been rising over the years has actually become the mainstream culture, so the counter-culture nowadays would be Christianity. Fighter_guy and out of curiosity.. you say psychological thing ... do you mean like its a mental disorder I don't mean a mental disorder per say, but depending on how your raised can lead you to believe if your gay or not. If you are raised with two fathers in a completely homosexual environment, guess what? your going to grow up thinking your gay. Also ever since it was accepted that you could be gay by modern culture, everyone 'became' gay. Everyone just wants to rebel against their parents instinctively, and if rebellion is tolerated, then its the perfect way to do it. I don't like the current mindframe that we have right now. While there are still people who don't like guys being gay, its still 'wanted' for every girl to be at least bi-sexual. That right there can pressure most girls into believing that they are. Its not only accepted, but your 'hotter' if you do it.
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