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 Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 2:34 pm
Hi. I have a young horse and he does not want to give anyone his head at the canter. He is a hunter jumper so I don't need his head but it would be needed when I do flat classes. I had the barn manager watch us canter and she said if he'd give you his head it would be better. I had my really good friend ride him last night and she couldn't get him to give her his head at all and she tried all her tricks. She said he was thundering threw the bit. She said it might be the bit and the manager said its his hunter jumper -ness.
Im thinking about having the sidereins on him when I lunge or get a martingale.
What would you do?
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:37 pm
Does he give at the trot? The quality of the trot and the transition directly influences the quality of the canter. If he's rushing through the transition and falling on his forehand, then he's going to be on his forehand and pulling at the canter.
I'd probably have a pro ride him a few times (I'm sure your friend is an excellent rider, but a professional trainer might have some more ideas) before resorting to a martingale. Also understand that retraining a horse that barrels through the bit is not something you fix in an hour. Usually takes a couple of months, unless you just want to see-saw his head down, which I do NOT recommend as it completely invalidates the whole point of having them give to the bit, which is to get them more soft and submissive while allowing them to use their backs more efficiently, no matter what the discipline.
I have known a LOT of hunters that are stiff as a board and barrel through the bit, but still pin well in shows. Over fences, at least, not so much in flat classes.
Some horses are also built with more inclination towards moving a certain way. If they're built downhill with a low-set neck, it's really hard for them rock back and give to the bit, especially at the canter because they're just kind of pulling themselves along. At the same time, a horse with a really high set neck and weak back is going to run around high-headed trying to balance themselves. Every horse has their imperfections.
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:07 am
Also it might depend somewhat on the horses age and how long you have ridden it. Maybe the previous rider let him get away with it.
i know when i first started cantering(learn how to ride on my own) i didnt know i was letting the reins go too loose. It wasnt until i finally got some riding lessons that they started to tell me whats up wink Pretty embarrassing but im glad it happened.
My horses are into all kinds of weird riding habits now but slow changes and groundwork always seem to be the cure! Good luck i hope things work out. smile
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:41 am
He is a 6yr old. I think he was started at 4, at least to my knowledge. He was a lesson horse for beginners right before I bought him Sept 11 of last year. We believe that is why he barrels threw his bit.I am also a bit of a beginner at the canter, I had so many horse run off with me before I got Spicer that I freeze up at the canter. My trainer has to remind me to breath xp
My trainer rode him and She tried a change of bit. We had been working on his giving his head at the walk and he does that well, at the trot he can if we do some circles or lots of left right left right. Sometimes when I put my hands down and apart he puts his head up. I also dont go into higher gaits until he gives his head.
Here are some resent photos of us working if they help-
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/160/3/f/Working_by_equine_crazy.jpg
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/160/e/a/Show_Time_2_BLURRY_by_equine_crazy.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/160/8/b/Show_Time_1_by_equine_crazy.jpg
Here is one of when he was a lesson horse cantering-
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs150.snc1/5576_107217286587_567081587_2239020_7569403_n.jpg
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:45 am
A martingale wouldn't really solve you problem as they are only really useful to stop the horses head coming above the point of control and giving the rider a little extra braking power wink
Maybe you should ask your instructor to ride him and see what they suggest. he probably just needs a bit of extra schooling.
Also if he's a hunter they are inclined to be a bit like that sometimes.
Good luck x
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:52 am
Just looked at your piccies and read your response,looks like your instructor already rode him xd lol i really should read more than the first post.
He isn't really working in a contained frame. From what i could tell from the photos it looks like his hindquarters need to be working more actively and come underneath him more and the front end needs to be a bit more collected. All of that can come through time and practice so i would'nt worry too much,also it depends what you wanna do with him in the long run, if your never gonna do dressage or school to a particulary high level i wouldn't worry wink
Also the forgetting to breath in canter lol i do that especially in big open spaces. I had a bad fall off of my 4 year old while in a field and really damaged my shoulder which stopped me riding for a bit. I'm better now and i'm sure before long you wont think about it either x
Also nice leg position biggrin
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