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 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:36 pm
You see this in the martial arts today ... half of the schools you enter are full contact ... the other half involve point sparring ... both have their benefits ... but what do you guys prefer ...
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:42 am
I personally prefer point sparring, or light contact. That way, you still get the feeling of fighting, but you also have to show some form, which is good for improving your skills. But Full contact is at least a million times more fun...
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:31 pm
full contact to me is the better choice it shows what people can do when being hit. with point fighting there isnt any pain involved at all.
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:45 pm
If you train for full contact, then it is perfectly acceptable to practice that training in a lighter, point sparring fashion. However, no person ever got prepared to defend themselves on the street by light point sparring. At some point, you have to go full contact or you won't know exactly what is likely to happen. That said, some of the point sparring I have seen and participated in was anything but "light" touch, lol.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:43 am
Full contact all the way! I understand the concept of point sparring and can see why it's there but, in my view, point sparring isn't very realistic when putting it against real combat defending yourself in real life.
For example, in point sparring obviously you're not alowed to hit certain ares of the body and return to your starting positions when 'said' point is gained. I fail to see how that can train you to use self-defence when an opponent is trying to mug you or take your life and will not let you return to your starting position when you've perhaps punched them once in the chest.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:04 am
I think that if possible you should practice both.
At our dojo we train using point sparring, however after the official training many of us engage in full contact sparring.
We do it mainly to burn off the extra energy, but it's also a usefull way to test the techniques we were practising earlier with point sparring.
One thing I do find odd though is that some people never go all out when participating in full contact.
One guy is a 2nd Kyu and a police officer, he's more than twice my size, but though I'm just a 5th Kyu, I've overpowered him a few times.
I don't think he lacks in ability, I think he's holding back and it kind of buggs me.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:13 pm
I like both aspect, but full contact you can fully see ,feel/experience what you learn and put at work..and point sparing it's just technique and speed wise in a lighter content i guess.
put i prefer to practice what i preach not just hold back. it's needed in real life situation...
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:43 pm
When we do knife fighting we usally do point sparring ... (of course) ... you know putt the lipstick on the dummy knives and go at it ... it's pretty fun ...
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:06 pm
i enjoy full contact more but i also do point
with point it helps me build up speed or as my master calls it (Kick Tag)
wile cont i work on more combinations wile also taking a hit
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:18 pm
I prefer full contact because you will learn the most when you are fighting at a level above you. So when you fight someone below or equal your level, it will be much easier. Sure there will be pain but my taekwondo master says, "No pain, no gain". You need to fight against mental and physical challenges throughout your life so that is why I prefer full contact. Plus, it's fun! xp
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:47 am
Full contact mirrors the real world a little better, but I like the mental aspects of point sparring. It's interesting to watch someone trained in point sparring to begin full contact, their stances and movements are just a little different, it gives everything a new flavor...
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:27 am
Im honestly not well versed in what other systems do when it comes to sparring. This is my view of it all I did TKD for a few months at our college when I was in grade school. My friend and I were wanting to learn to fight and we found TKD. When it came to sparring I was told every strike I used was illegal after that I left and never returned. I sometimes go to tournaments as a spectator to see what other schools are teaching and it makes me sick. I have seen some extremely bad habits when it comes to sparring. Mainly this is due to the rules. It seems more like a game of Tag between 2 people and after a hit or 2 they then go back or some other thing. I have witnessed instructors get into heated arguments in front of everyone watching I find it very disgusting. Even in my school there are things I didn't like but I had to deal with it because it was the lesser of the evils.
I don't care much for heavily sport based schools. When it comes to training we go through set motions with non resisting attackers to work on technique. As people progress we pick up the pace and eventually do defense drills where the attacker throws whatever based on your skill level. If your hit it's mostly your own fault for failing to defend against the attack. At the level we do this you should have some control and be able to use the techniques. If someone gets hit it's no big deal it's rare though because by this time you should be able to pull your attack if you know someone screwed up. We also do some light sparring it's a bit more dangerous than the circle drills we do. Mainly because we move around the room as we fight and it involves both parties trying to attack at the same time. In our Drills someone defends as another attacks. Once you have blocked the attack the defender then executes attacks of their own against an non resisting person at that point.
The next step in our training once you have become better able to understand the techniques and recognize someones moments we spar with pads. We don't have a set area the room is the only thing keeping us bound. We spar until we decide to stop no set rules other than not to seriously injure someone. I think it's fairly common sense really not every technique we know is acceptable we may execute one but we don't actually make contact. To me the best way to spar is to do so without to many limiting factors such as points and stuff that require you to then stop and reset. With the safety gear we have these days you should be able to come fairly close to reality based fighting without any serious injury.
Because I do Wing Chun most schools use Chi Sau as their sparring but to me thats not good enough. Yes it's needed but it shouldn't take the place of actual sparring. Chi Sau is meant to teach touch reflex while close to an enemy but before you can use it you need to learn to close the distance and that is learned in sparring sessions. Only through sparring different styles can one really learn how to best use their art. So many people are only capable of fighting others of their style and thats their own fault.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:52 am
baka_boy1221 You see this in the martial arts today ... half of the schools you enter are full contact ... the other half involve point sparring ... both have their benefits ... but what do you guys prefer ... Well....Full contact prepares you for real life experience, and can get you MMA ready, as well as better hone your reflexes, and get your body use to that extreme form of conflict....So I say full contact.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:54 am
I like point sparring to improve speed and control.
Full contact to learn how to move your opponent ....
Point- for sport and technique sharpening
Full contact- for real life fight simulations.
Both are necessary, if I had to pick, it feels strange not having full contact spars. (so full)
But neither really decided if you can fight on the street. (might be awesome in the ring and devastated outside)
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:13 am
(will be crucified for this opinion)
In reality, both are highly utilized, but will never fully achieve the desired effect of combative proficiency. Coming from a back ground that utilized both (competed in the GKL, AAU, NKF, and WKF for karate) to my more recent training (a "mix of martial arts" not to be confused with what we refer to as "Mixed martial arts") i have had a heavy dose of both. Many are correct in the concept that point sparring develops good practicioners, as it did me. I learned very quickly about, distance, timing, speed, and accuracy through point fighting. When i trained with my muay thai friends and their full contact sparring, you learned just about the same set of skills, but built up a toughness and a mental flexibility about "taking punishment" that was absent in point fighting. However, when it came to a real confrontation, those training concepts came up lacking when it was truly needed.
Sparing, point or full contact, is still a game. There is training, techniques, strategies, and concepts that one would not utilize in a training scenario that one would and SHOULD use in a lie and death, full combative scenario. When training (seen in most MMA fights) no biting, eye gouging, shots to the groin, hits to the back of the head, and kneeing a downed opponent. You would NEVER do this to someone who are training with, especially if their your friend, as this could severly injure, disfigure, and possibly kill you training partner. Sparring, like other training, develops habbits. If you develop a habit of "feeling out your opponent," testing them, and trying to develop a strategy in a real combat scenario, you could already be killed.
In sparring, most people dont take into consideration other forces at play. When you spar, point fighting or full contact, there is generally only 2 participants on an even, matted floor in a well lit area with no obsticles or weapons. combat is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of this. You have no idea how many attackers their could be, when or where it could happen, what time of day it was, what weaposn they may have or pick up during the confrontation, or what the terrain may be like. Sparring DOESNT teach you the idea of Zanshin, remaining mind, for awarness.
If you train for the martial side of martial arts, and not simply for a sport, then you must train for these variables. One steps are one of the best training tools, as it teaches quick effective responses with the use of perfect proper technqiue, while at the same time improvisation and the ability to CONSTANTLY change the scenario at hand. For the true martial artist, one steps is the closest thing a civilian can get to a military style drill. Military as in war.....
please free to quote or comment if you have questions concerning this opinion
yo-ko
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