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Mistress Le Gasp

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:50 pm


Don't immediately hate me, but I am looking in to joining a local Wicca coven, and I want to know what you think the problem is with Wiccans! I've been doing a lot of research, and I found the main ideals are respecting nature and not objectifying women. There is a mention to "the great horned god", but further research found that they aren't referencing to Satan.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:57 pm


I'm friends with many Wiccans I've even seen some of their ceremonies. My friends worship Sobek the ancient Egyptian god of the Nile and also the Earth. I find nothing wrong with Wicca.

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rosadria

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:53 pm


TomatoMOOSH
Don't immediately hate me, but I am looking in to joining a local Wicca coven, and I want to know what you think the problem is with Wiccans! I've been doing a lot of research, and I found the main ideals are respecting nature and not objectifying women. There is a mention to "the great horned god", but further research found that they aren't referencing to Satan.

Well, there's the part where worshiping other gods is a great way to get the Lord really, really angry with you. It doesn't matter how nice the other deities or religions seem to be. There is one God, and you either have Him, or you have nothing. You can't have both.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:04 pm


VK Fox
TomatoMOOSH
Don't immediately hate me, but I am looking in to joining a local Wicca coven, and I want to know what you think the problem is with Wiccans! I've been doing a lot of research, and I found the main ideals are respecting nature and not objectifying women. There is a mention to "the great horned god", but further research found that they aren't referencing to Satan.

Well, there's the part where worshiping other gods is a great way to get the Lord really, really angry with you. It doesn't matter how nice the other deities or religions seem to be. There is one God, and you either have Him, or you have nothing. You can't have both.

amen. the only way to heaven is thru the grace and love of jesus... there is no other way but thru god. other gods, i believe, to be the devil in desquise... because it doesnt really matter what ur worshiping... sobek, zeus, a game boy... anything can become an idol of worship.... and all but god will fail you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:30 am


I agree... There is something wrong about wiccans... and pagans. They worship different Gods... (mind the word godS)
Plus, we have a commandment to worship one God alone and that IS the Father... even though they have ceremonies... there intact with TRADITION... which makes tradition something bad... Uhh, I remember Jesus talking about the tradition of washing the hands before eating? It have to do something with those. 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:34 am


and... they do the stuff that they have rituals for engkanto (a name in Filipino, which means spirts who have magical powers) Just like a small mountain of soil. They would tell that don't kick that one or else the dwarfs might get mad at you! then... when you destruct their house possibilities are...

- your hand gets big (abnormally big)
- you will be tall (very tall)
- you will fall sick (with doctors finding out why)
- and... so much more

they will then present these so called dwarfs with food and blood of a chicken or stuff to make peace with them! Now, it sounds like worshipping them... don't ya think?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:38 am


LoveComes-From-LittleDove
and... they do the stuff that they have rituals for engkanto (a name in Filipino, which means spirts who have magical powers) Just like a small mountain of soil. They would tell that don't kick that one or else the dwarfs might get mad at you! then... when you destruct their house possibilities are...

- your hand gets big (abnormally big)
- you will be tall (very tall)
- you will fall sick (with doctors finding out why)
- and... so much more

they will then present these so called dwarfs with food and blood of a chicken or stuff to make peace with them! Now, it sounds like worshipping them... don't ya think?


The Egyptians made sacrifices to animals but they didn't worship the animal they worshiped the God whom the animal served I believe its the same way with those brand of Wiccans.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:47 am


Cry of the Celts
LoveComes-From-LittleDove
and... they do the stuff that they have rituals for engkanto (a name in Filipino, which means spirts who have magical powers) Just like a small mountain of soil. They would tell that don't kick that one or else the dwarfs might get mad at you! then... when you destruct their house possibilities are...

- your hand gets big (abnormally big)
- you will be tall (very tall)
- you will fall sick (with doctors finding out why)
- and... so much more

they will then present these so called dwarfs with food and blood of a chicken or stuff to make peace with them! Now, it sounds like worshipping them... don't ya think?


The Egyptians made sacrifices to animals but they didn't worship the animal they worshiped the God whom the animal served I believe its the same way with those brand of Wiccans.


but! God said that any form of food that is given to anything as a sacrifice is a sign of worship... right? please correct me if Im wrong... 3nodding

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:48 am


LoveComes-From-LittleDove
Cry of the Celts
LoveComes-From-LittleDove
and... they do the stuff that they have rituals for engkanto (a name in Filipino, which means spirts who have magical powers) Just like a small mountain of soil. They would tell that don't kick that one or else the dwarfs might get mad at you! then... when you destruct their house possibilities are...

- your hand gets big (abnormally big)
- you will be tall (very tall)
- you will fall sick (with doctors finding out why)
- and... so much more

they will then present these so called dwarfs with food and blood of a chicken or stuff to make peace with them! Now, it sounds like worshipping them... don't ya think?


The Egyptians made sacrifices to animals but they didn't worship the animal they worshiped the God whom the animal served I believe its the same way with those brand of Wiccans.


but! God said that any form of food that is given to anything as a sacrifice is a sign of worship... right? please correct me if Im wrong... 3nodding


I have no idea but remember other religions don't care what the Bible says after all it's a separate thing therefore it probably doesn't view things the same way.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:38 am


Wicca = Satan
WICCA = SATAN


By David J. Stewart | May 2005

There is a new book that witches around the world are drooling over. It's title is Witchcraft Out of the Shadows, and it's Author is Leo Ruickbie. The website is www.witchcraftoutoftheshadows.com. In a dark time of apostasy around the world, witchcraft is sadly rearing it's ugly head like never before. With Harry Potter, Sabrina the Witch, the Witches TV series, the Church of Satan, and so many other godless influences on our young people, it's to no surprise that the Devil is gaining ground quickly. Let may say right from the beginning... WITCHCRAFT OF ALL FORMS IS SATANIC! The witches and Wiccans can deny it all they want, but the Bible is the FINAL AUTHORITY, not the witches. The Word of God is eternal, It never changes because God never changes...

"For I am the LORD, I change not..." —Malachi 3:6

God says in His Word that WITCHCRAFT IS A SIN...

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft..." —1st Samuel 15:23

The same God that condemned witchcraft in the Old Testament still condemns witchcraft today. God loves all people (including witches), but he hates sin. Psalm 97:10 challenges ALL Christians to HATE SIN...

"Ye that love the LORD, hate evil..." —Psalm 97:10

I hate witchcraft, but I love all people. It is WRONG to hate people. I don't hate anyone, despite what my enemies would like to believe. I DO hate sin because God has commanded me to hate sin. ALL believers should hate sin. I love Jesus Christ and am faithfully obeying the Bible by exposing witchcraft. Wicca is black witchcraft. ALL witchcraft is black because there is no such thing as "white sin." To claim that there is "white witchcraft" is to claim that there is "white sin." There is NO such thing as a little "white lie," all lying is as dark as the blackness of hell. ALL sin is black, dark and evil. I am just addressing the witches on their own terms, since they like to differentiate between "white" and "black" witchcraft. If that is the case, then ALL witchcraft is very black, evil through and through.

There is a frightening trend amongst witches to attempt to repackage (to redefine) their history. This new book, Witchcraft Out of the Shadows, attempts to do just that. Leo Ruickbie tries to discredit Christianity and the Bible with his flawed reasonings. He tries to explain "where witchcraft came from?," and "where it is going?" I have a one word answer for the curious reader for both question: HELL

Ruickbie claims to have done an "in-depth" investigation into history to survey the dark-side of the human psyche and it's bias against witchcraft over the centuries. He goes on to claim that many of today's modern negative ideas concerning witchcraft originate in ancient myths and religions. In short, Ruickbie is saying that the Bible is flawed having it's origins in ancient myths. The entire premise of the modern day witchcraft movement is that the Bible is NOT God's Word. Of course, they are 100% WRONG! The Bible is God's eternal, inspired, infallible, inerrant, preserved Word. As you can clearly see, there is NO common ground between Christians and witches. Christians believe that the Bible is God's inspired Word, and the witches denounce it as myths and superstitions.

What does the Bible say? The first mention of the word "witch" in the Bible was made by Moses in Exodus 22:18. God had instructed Moses to impose the death penalty for anyone proven guilty of committing the sin of witchcraft. Wow! For a sin to be punishable by death, it must have been pretty serious to God. Notice again the Scripture I quoted to you earlier from 1st Samuel 15:23, "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft..." Witchcraft is equal to rebellion! Witchcraft is rebellion against God. The Bible condemns witches and witchcraft, I don't have to.

"And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger." —2nd Chronicles 33:6

Wiccan witches are desperately trying to distance themselves from the "black witches" as they call them. According to the Wiccans, they are a religion of equality and compassion. Wiccans are attempting to JUSTIFY witchcraft on the premise of their contributions to society, their compassion, and their acceptance of ALL groups (including homosexuals and lesbians). What relevance do any of these things have with witchcraft? The Bible leaves NO room for compromise, witchcraft is of the Devil and is an ABOMINATION unto the Lord. Witchcraft didn't originate in Ancient Greece, it originated in Hell.

Wiccans are openly acceptant of sexual sins which are Biblically prohibited. Witchcraft is infamous for sexual rituals and ceremonial nudity. Anton LaVey, founder of the CHURCH OF SATAN, wrote a book called, The Satanic Witch, in which teaches women how to take advantage of men. The book is pure evil and promotes the sins of feminism and sexual immorality. From researching their own writings and websites, witches are well-known for lesbianism, orgies and sexual licentiousness. No wonder they have such an attraction for the Pagan god, Pan (the world's foremost sexual pervert).

The following is an outline of the book, Witchcraft Out of the Shadows, with comments by Leo Ruickbie (source):

Part One: Age of Shadows

The Early History of Witchcraft in Europe

The Birthplace of All Sorceries: Witchcraft in Ancient Greece

Beginning with the pre-eminent goddess of witchcraft, Hecate, we explore the character of ancient witchcraft through the mythological figures of Circe and Medea. How did Hecate become Goddess of the Underworld? Why did Circe use strange potions to enslave all those who set foot on her magic island? Why did Medea kill her own children? Why are such cruel and fantastic women associated with witchcraft?


East of Midgard: Witchcraft in Northern Europe

In the mythological imagination of the Northern Europeans, East of Midgard was their very own 'Birthplace of All Sorceries.' Almost entirely overlooked, this Northern heritage has significantly contributed to our current ideas of witchcraft.

South of Heaven: Witchcraft in Mediaeval & Early Modern Europe

The Witches of the European Dark Ages come flying towards us out of the past's stygian mire in a wild cavalcade, riding devils and broomsticks, followed by black cats and poisonous toads to be consumed in the fires, not of Hell, but of fear and hatred, greed and lust.


Part Two: Born of Shadows

The Origins of Modern Witchcraft

Celtic Twilight and Golden Dawn: The Romantic Revival of Witchcraft and Magic

The European witch-hunts were over, but witchcraft and the idea of witchcraft would never die out. In the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries witchcraft was re-examined, re-interpreted and, ultimately, re-invented. But by whom and for why?

The Craft of Invention: The Creation of the Wiccan Religion

It is the Riddle of the Sphinx Lodge, the secret at the heart of Wicca. Where did Wicca come from? Who was Gerald Gardner? Was Freemasonry involved? Or something darker? What part did the 'Wickedest Man in the World' have to play?

Out of the Cauldron, Into the Fire: The Growth and Development of Wicca

Out of the seething cauldron of its inventor's fertile imagination, shameless plagiarism, energy and ambition came the most radical and fastest growing religion of the Twentieth and now Twenty-First Century. How did this happen? Who were the people who shaped this development?


Part Three: Empire of Shadows

Witchcraft in the World Today

The Society of Witches: A Profile of Modern Witches

It is time to shake the wand of serious, scientific research at the stereotypes that still haunt the perception of Witchcraft. It is time to dispel the sweet and fearful fantasy of evil and find out who are today's Witches. Are they, as Shakespeare called them, dark and midnight hags? The answer might surprise you.

Calling Down the Moon: Belief and Experience in Modern Witchcraft

Even today, long after the horrors of the witch trials, people still think they worship the Devil despite their protestations to the contrary, but the question is: what do today's Witches worship? What are their beliefs? What are the experiences that shape those beliefs? You will find their answers frank, revealing and extra-ordinary.

Drawing the Magic Circle: The Definition, Use and Effect of Magic in Witchcraft

Magic, the word itself conjures up the strangest ideas, but what does it mean to those who use it? What do they use it for? What effect does that use have on them? I asked the Witches themselves. Do you want to know what they said?

Old Ways, New Directions: Evaluating Witchcraft from its Earliest Beginnings to its Future Potentialities

Witches and Witchcraft are no longer what they were thought to be. Gone are the pacts with the Devil, the evil imp familiars and toe-curling curses. In their place we find a vital religion practicing spiritual equality and seeking the improvement of the world. This new religion finds fertile soil for its rapid and increasing growth in today's social climate of post-Christianization and re-enchantment.

I would just like to comment on the last paragraph above by Leo Ruickbie...

"Witches and Witchcraft are no longer what they were thought to be. Gone are the pacts with the Devil, the evil imp familiars and toe-curling curses. In their place we find a vital religion practicing spiritual equality and seeking the improvement of the world. This new religion finds fertile soil for its rapid and increasing growth in today's social climate of post-Christianization and re-enchantment." -Leo Ruickbie

Don't be deceived friend, witchcraft can put on a NEW FACE but it's the same ole false religion of the devil. "Ruickbie calls witchcraft, "This new religion..." Don't be fooled, witchcraft is as old as Satan. No matter how good the witches intentions may be or how nice they may have become, the Word of God condemns witchcraft in every form. The witches are trying to be accepted because they promote diversity and are conscious about the environment, but this is all irrelevant because the Bible makes no provision for the wicked. Just because a beer company may feed the homeless doesn't justify their evil works. Just because the Playboy company may donate money to help find a cure for cancer doesn't justify their evil works. Witchcraft is an evil work which must be rejected by every God-fearing person.

The rapid growth of Wiccan witchcraft can be attributed to the same cause behind abortion, gambling, homosexuality, divorce, lasciviousness, and every other sin...APOSTASY (a turning away from God). The world is a wicked place (1st John 5:19). Everybody needs to protest witchcraft of EVERY FORM and shun it's presence in our homes. Let us please the Lord God by hating evil and taking a stand against it...

"Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" —Psalm 94:16

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:00 pm


Way to GO SARL0!
I can't explain it the way you did!
I think you have the gift of Prophesy? wat'ya think?
Im just HAPPy to see it all cleared out!

~God Bless!!
PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:07 pm


ok....well i agree with most of the other people on here.
but i have to say that i know a Wiccan. He is actually my
Husband. He doesn't worship satan. He just respects the earth, and worships the almighty God.
BUT, as for Pagan's. . . last time i checked didn't that simply state in the Bible that Pagan=Satan.
I don't have a problem with Wiccans. but i do have an issue with Pagans.
Just my view on this.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:49 am


Darksin18
ok....well i agree with most of the other people on here.
but i have to say that i know a Wiccan. He is actually my
Husband. He doesn't worship satan. He just respects the earth, and worships the almighty God.
BUT, as for Pagan's. . . last time i checked didn't that simply state in the Bible that Pagan=Satan.
I don't have a problem with Wiccans. but i do have an issue with Pagans.
Just my view on this.


People who have love ones that are not believers tend to Defend them... even if there is SOMETHING REALLY WRONG ABOUT THEIR Belief (Im not talking directly to you ok? sweatdrop )

Wicca, Is a part of Paganism, and Paganism is a religion that rejects God... I can't say it in exact words so that you can get my point. Yes, they respect the nature, because, they WORSHIP IT. They say they don't worship the satan... But who don't follow and worship God is worshipping the devil... right? because there are only two sides.. Good and Bad, it only happens Wicca and paganism is on the bad side... well ya.

And, wicca also disobeys the 2nd commandment. (or atleast I think its second) that, we should worship God and himself ALONE. well, they DO WORSHIP ALOT OF THAT ALONE!
I know you love him... but... you are a christian right???

but, christians are supposed to marry another christian right?
please explain it to me... i get mixed up on that! 3nodding
PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:03 pm


LoveComes-From-LittleDove
Way to GO SARL0!
I can't explain it the way you did!
I think you have the gift of Prophesy? wat'ya think?
Im just HAPPy to see it all cleared out!

~God Bless!!


it's by David J. Stewart, not me
heehee
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