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Mistreena

PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:53 pm


I know they exist. My question I pose to all of you is this: do you know anything about them?
I have met many people who believe in many things; some believe in things that others do not believe in, while others claim to be these otherworldly or supernatural beings. I want to know more about angels specifically, since I already know enough about demons. Things that perhaps I shouldn't know, and am almost afraid to say, but if it's the internet, and I am anonymous, am I safe to say these things?

Daemons, or demons, are creatures of another world, unbelievably powerful, and no they do not work for Satan. They are all kinds, and yes are found in all the folklore that are spread across the world: shapeshifters, elementals, cruel beings who love to cause pain for the pitiful ignorant humans. I don't want to be an ignorant human; I want to know more.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:57 pm


I can help you with that, give me some time to dig up a file on a paper is was writing.
Might take me a day but I'll see what snippets I can get you.


Most of it is on Angels though.
But I have been wanting to write a book on Demons or more specifically demonic nature.
But I digress, let me see what I can do.

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Manju_Summit

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:05 pm


I believe angels and demons are no less real than you or I...

So might I ask: What do you feel you are unaware of? Why is it you feel you are indeed ignorant?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:08 pm


If you are most interested in figuring out more about angels, I might suggest reading up on Hebrew lore, as it contains a wealth of information on the subject. I do not know if you're more concerned with figures, hierarchy, or general knowledge, but there is plenty of information out there. Unfortunately, I have no books to recommend to you at the moment. A simple search of amazon might get you started though.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:47 pm


I don't have much anymore. Mostly just angel hierarchy.
You know ranks, duties, names.

Nothing really too informative.
Gotta get it from my bro, but if you still would like that let me know.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:40 pm


While we've got this topic rolling, how does everyone feel about angels and demons in general? What do they symbolize to you, and what is your emotive evocation upon simply hearing the names Angel or Demon? Also, what is your path and how does it influence your impressions?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:06 pm


To speak the truth on the subject I only have adverse feelings when I hear certain things about angels and demons alike.

As far as I'm concerned, Demons are entities just like us. They are as varied and numerous as we are. They can be as vicious and malevolent as any hard core criminal found on death row. But there are others that are as giving and grateful to like as any green peace person you can think of.
People think of Demons as generally evil beings but I think that is merely a product of the past.
As I recall it, Pope innocent the (2nd or 3rd I can never remember) Declared them evil since they where not of heaven or earth. Thus that confused me because the first fallen were angels as well as Serty(The Star). This threw them into the same league as devils which are indigenous to the underworld.

Angels on the other hand I have split feelings as well. Because while some are seen as harbingers of goodness and protection. Many do not know that is there charge, that they have a stake in human life and it is there law no human shall come to harm by them.
Most of the angels of the Eight courts do not like humans in general. We are favored and they are our caretakers. But to openly hate us is to risk being cast out as well. Which even raises the question.
What of Lockry the angel of death. Personally I think Lockry is in a sense unemotional towards all.

But not all this is from the same source. Lockry is a Hebrew and Mormon figure of obscurity.
And some catholic sects think there are more or less courts to the angels hierarchy.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:12 pm


I'd love to see the hierarchy of angels, Oborosen.

In all honesty, I don't know what to think about angels and demons. I don't want to completely believe the stereotypes of good and evil, but you can't just throw those away either.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:49 am


Oborosen
To speak the truth on the subject I only have adverse feelings when I hear certain things about angels and demons alike.

As far as I'm concerned, Demons are entities just like us. They are as varied and numerous as we are. They can be as vicious and malevolent as any hard core criminal found on death row. But there are others that are as giving and grateful to like as any green peace person you can think of.
People think of Demons as generally evil beings but I think that is merely a product of the past.
As I recall it, Pope innocent the (2nd or 3rd I can never remember) Declared them evil since they where not of heaven or earth. Thus that confused me because the first fallen were angels as well as Serty(The Star). This threw them into the same league as devils which are indigenous to the underworld.

Angels on the other hand I have split feelings as well. Because while some are seen as harbingers of goodness and protection. Many do not know that is there charge, that they have a stake in human life and it is there law no human shall come to harm by them.
Most of the angels of the Eight courts do not like humans in general. We are favored and they are our caretakers. But to openly hate us is to risk being cast out as well. Which even raises the question.
What of Lockry the angel of death. Personally I think Lockry is in a sense unemotional towards all.

But not all this is from the same source. Lockry is a Hebrew and Mormon figure of obscurity.
And some catholic sects think there are more or less courts to the angels hierarchy.


Couple of questions.
1) Who or what is Serty, and from what culture, tradition, sect etc is it from? Can you give us a source for this?
2) Who or what is Lockry, why is there absolutely no information on him anywhere? Can you give us a source for this?
3) In what belief systems involving a seperation between demons and devils declare devils to be cthonic entities that existed prior to the fall of the angels, other than Dungeons and Dragons 4E (which has it the other way around)?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:13 am


Judging from various silly new-age books I've skimmed through, I'd say Serty is another name for Lucifer/Satan as Lucifer is said to mean Morningstar, and Oborosen refers to a fallen angel named "Serty (The Star)".

As for Lockry, the closest thing to an angel of death I've seen in similar new-age material is Azreal. Who is portrayed generally as the distant and unemotional angel of death who guides worthy spirits past the walls that keep the fallen out, out of purgatory, and into the kingdom of heaven.

These books also talk much of the Angels and their ranks and give various aliases for each specific angel. I no longer have the books on hand, (as I'd never spend my own money on that baseless, uninspired crap) so I am unable to check if these aliases were in said books.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:24 am


Abbot_Natalis
Judging from various silly new-age books I've skimmed through, I'd say Serty is another name for Lucifer/Satan as Lucifer is said to mean Morningstar, and Oborosen refers to a fallen angel named "Serty (The Star)".

As for Lockry, the closest thing to an angel of death I've seen in similar new-age material is Azreal. Who is portrayed generally as the distant and unemotional angel of death who guides worthy spirits past the walls that keep the fallen out, out of purgatory, and into the kingdom of heaven.

These books also talk much of the Angels and their ranks and give various aliases for each specific angel. I no longer have the books on hand, (as I'd never spend my own money on that baseless, uninspired crap) so I am unable to check if these aliases were in said books.


I'm curious about Serty because it's a very interesting word, etymologically speaking, but I'll wait for Oborosen to come back with details as to what language it's in.

As for Angels of Death, there've been a bunch of attributations throughout the past centuries to various angels, but as you probably know, there's very little consensus when it comes to angelic hierarchy and the roles of the angels among varying sects.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:46 pm


Speaking of Angels of Death, I remember reading on a website given to my Greek Myth class by the professor which showed a Greek goddess which mirrored the Norse Goddess Hel exactly. Hel is the Norse goddess of death and the underworld; half of her is living and the other half rotting flesh.

Besides Angels and Demons, there is also the question of Devils and Gods. I would have thought that Devils and Demons were the same, but does that make Angels and Gods the same? Is it not possible that certain Gods are actually Angels (or Fae)?
In Irish legend, the People of the Goddess Danu retired to mounds in the ground known as Raths, and seem to change throughout history from being heroes, gods, and fairies depending on the time and story. So it seems plausible that some stories of gods and stories of fairies or demons or angels could all be one and the same, no?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:55 am


Setry, The first, The north star, The prince of darkness, The lord of flies.
Honestly I don't know how many surnames. I only use Setry because my friend Mari used it around me for about ten years. She's scandinavian so that kinda explains the mixed results.
The closest Iv ever been to there is Holland and that was on a layover headed to Australia.

Abbot_Natalis you where really on the money there. Strangely I don't remember a book like that being published as of late. The list I'm looking for was one my brother acquired from the net.

Mistreena you have a good point, but that still points out how varied all this information can be.
Can you remember if the Professors name was MacArthur, If so then I know what your talking about. Still my favorite Norse figure is Fenris, that or the story of what was used to tie him down.

From what I know of the separation from the old to current belief system. Was not too off track besides the fact the upper religious figures almost always over stepped there boundaries. Pope innocent from what I can tell was one of them. Thought I still could be wrong about the name. Because he's the same pope that helped screw the Templar's over.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:20 am


Here is part of the list that I have but I is without a large description of the host.

So I'll just put names for now.
Seraphim The enlightened or Burning Ones
Cherubim
Ophanim also know as Thrones
Dominions
Virtues
Powers or Authorities Some believe Lucifer was from this rank
Principalities or Rulers
Archangels
Angels Guides, Guardians and Messengers

Here is a link for a referable Wiki page I just found.Here

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:22 am


Oborosen
Setry, The first, The north star, The prince of darkness, The lord of flies.
Honestly I don't know how many surnames. I only use Setry because my friend Mari used it around me for about ten years. She's scandinavian so that kinda explains the mixed results.
The closest Iv ever been to there is Holland and that was on a layover headed to Australia.


Is it Setry, as you're spelling it now, or Serty, as you spelled it before? Further, do you not feel that it comes across as a little disingenuous purely because one of your friends used it, and it's presumably from a Scandinavian language, yet you (ostensibly) haven't research it to see if it's real/correct? Incidentally, do you have an actual source for it, aside from "my friend Mari"? From what I can see, it looks like you took epithets of Beel zeBub and decided to shove a random word there instead: all I know is I've never come across the word Setry/Serty in Demonology, and I can't find a translation for it in Danish, Finnish, Norwegian or Swedish - which isn't to say it doesn't exist, just that it seems as though there's no source for this word outside your friend.

Further, you didn't answer my question regarding Lockry, so if you could do that without me having to shoot you another PM, that would be fantastic.
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