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 Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:28 pm
Some of our members have stated that they do not have much knowledge about the economy, but it is still an important and necessary issue to formulate ideas about.
First, we need to determine the type of economy that we want.
I believe that the current majority opinion is that a capitalist economy is most agreeable.
Second, would we favor socialism or lassie-fair in our capitalist economy? I think we tend toward socialism, but I could be mistaken.
After that, it is more open to different views. Possible topics for discussion include: Buying Items on Credit, Debt, Minimum Wage, Inflation, The Stock Market, Welfare, Medicare/Medicaid, ect...
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:34 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:23 pm
I can't advocate a Laizzie (sp?) fair economic system, at least nowhere near the way things are currently. Business has been on its own for too long and has been a very naughty boy, proving that's its still not mature enough to make its own decisions. Putting the metaphor aside... I don't think government should insert itself into business, but I think that it should be there in case business screws up on its own.
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:50 pm
Yet, we know laissez-faire works. Socialism hasn't been proven effective yet.
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:15 pm
Look at the 1920s in US history if you want to see what lassie-fair does.
Socialism comes in many degrees and forms. Communism is probably the most extreme form, much more extreme than we want. I believe that Both Canada and the UK are much more socialistic that the US, perhaps they would be good examples.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:09 pm
Kurisu_Kaze-Kitsune for a unified world country/nation, wouldn't it be best to be rid ourselves of currency and use "credits" like... Every person in society recieving a card every moth with certain credits, like, here's an example: 1000 food credits, 1000 clothes credits and 2000 things credits. one ear of corn would be one credit, and a turkey would be... Oh I don't know, say... five. for clothes, socks, one credit, pants, three, things, tv, 500 credits, pack of pencils/markers/pens one credit, and lets say 5000 credits for a car. It seems like a good idea to me, giving everyone the same ammount, but to get a credits card, they'd have to have a job, or their parents would have to register them one or something... I dunno, theres a lot of flaws in that, but it seems more fair then todays monetary system.
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:11 pm
Aperium Look at the 1920s in US history if you want to see what lassie-fair does.
Socialism comes in many degrees and forms. Communism is probably the most extreme form, much more extreme than we want. I believe that Both Canada and the UK are much more socialistic that the US, perhaps they would be good examples. I blame that catastrophe on debt. EDIT: Sorry! I thought he said 30s.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:38 am
I say socialism on gas, power, steel, chemicals, communications, and medicine.
Think of where it's easy to break into a business. If you want food you plant seeds, if you want wood you chop down trees, etc. Businesses like that are always guaranteed to have plenty of competition. It's the one's like the above listed that require large amounts of capital at startup that are in the most danger of becoming abusive oligopolies or even monopolies.
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:27 pm
1930s is an example of what Laissez-faire Capitalism does.
A State Controlled Economy has worked in the USSR. Industrializing it in only 15 years, a feat no other nation has accomplished.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:19 am
Some form of regulation is required to prevent a 1930s type event from reoccurring, but I don't think that a command economy is called for.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:40 am
ComradeRedFerret 1930s is an example of what Laissez-faire Capitalism does. A State Controlled Economy has worked in the USSR. Industrializing it in only 15 years, a feat no other nation has accomplished. That's and interesting point, but one must also look at the quality of what was being produced. When the Soviet Union collapsed 1991 their companies couldn't compete with those in other nations. I believe that their car manufacturers closed after only a few months of independent operation.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:09 am
That is because the entire Union dissolved into a state of Anarchy for 2 years.
The operators of the Factories decided to take as much money as they can, and buy the Profitable oil Fields in the Caucasus. If you look at the CEO's of the Russian Oil Factories now, most of them are owned by Former KGB agents and government bureaucrats.
The Soviet Union wasn't Socialist after the 1960s, it was much closer to a State-controlled capitalism.
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:36 am
I hadn't heard that before.
Okay, for the sake of the argument I'll assume that what you said is true.
In communism or socialism, what is the incentive for doing a good job? In capitalism there is a profit motive for the company and bonuses and pay raises for employees. What would there be in communism?
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:37 am
Ideally, the benefit of all.
Communism/Socialism were (much like Christianity) some of the best 'on paper' ideas of all time. We as human beings simply lacked the finesse to pull them off.
I don't think a swap over from capitalism is necesarry, but I do think that there would need to be a rather large overhaul of business ethics laws and whatnot for it to suceed. Defunct made an interesting proposal actually...
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Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:31 pm
Ideals don't keep people going after centuries, or even years.
If Humans could do those, world peace and unity would be easy!
That is an interesting idea, and it has promise. However, I dislike the...the...(I can't think today)...black and white. All should be varying shades of gray.
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