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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:32 pm
I'm mostly just curious about the general opinion, and wanted an excuse to place a poll; if I stimulate a discussion on the nature of, motivations for, and any particular past incidences of, so much the better.
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:49 am
It's something that'll probably be a big deal in the last book, among other things. He wasn't able to do it OotP *or* HBP, though in HBP Snape was simply blocking him; obviously Harry's attempt was weak enough to be blocked.
I think that he'll try to learn Avada Kedavra, only to kill Voldemort, and after that vow to never ever attempt to cast the spell again. Harry's a very "Me no keel other ppl" character; he'll try to do anything to avoid killing another person.
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Toothsome Conversationalist
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:23 am
I'm of the opinion that Harry will have to use some extremely dark magic to vanquish Voldemort, but that it will not be an Unforgiveable curse. I don't think that he'll ever have the kind of motivation that Bellatrix told him he would need to successfully cast one of those spells.
Personally, I like the idea of Harry learning how to posess Voldemort, as I think that having Harry's soul inside Voldemort would certainly kill him.
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:13 pm
I don't think that Harry will ever pull one off, I can see him trying and maybe even training but I doubt he'd ever be able to do it. Like Ernie said, he's not that kind of character. Harry has a lot of pride, and it would be against his morals to stoop down to Voldemort's level and use a unforgivable on him. I, personally, think that Voldemort will discover that there is a fate worse then death before he dies (if he does). EDIT: Interesting, at the moment it stands 3 no and 4 yes. I wonder if that will change soon.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:57 pm
I'm not really sure if Harry will pull off an Unforgivable. I mean, Voldemort doesn't die easily (as we've noticed) so would any of the Unforgivables even work on him?
I mean, I'd like to think Harry would try to pull one off but I think Voldemort, somehow, can block an Unforgivable.
So perhaps Harry will kill him some other way. *shrugs*
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:46 am
Woohoo, 'Nari's actually posting in a discussion!
*Ahem* Back on topic. I think that the whole point of the books is good(love)>evil(hate) and Harry using an evil curse, fueled by hate, to kill Voldemort would be pure hypocrisy at least. It's the whole "bombing for peace" thing all over again. Harry has to do away with Voldemort via love or the books will have no meaning.
/my two cents.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:27 pm
I think that Snape is right on this one. Like Basil_Hallward, I can definitely see Harry trying to learn how to cast Unforgivables; but it's likely that people important to Harry (i.e. Ginny, Hermione, Lupin, Hagrid, etc.) will persuade him not to.
Another point is that Dumbledore would not approve of it. Harry is rather thick and doesn't realize that his best and probably only weapon against Voldemort will be compromised if he tries to cast Unforgivables (which are aptly named).
As Bellatrix told Harry, you need to be a little sadistic in order to cast Crucio. Snape is right in the fact that Harry doesn't have the nerve or ability (well, to hate and possess sadistic feelings to such an extent). Harry will definitely try at some point, but it will probably go worse than Occlumency. This information will eventually have to penetrate Harry's sometimes' not so thick skull or the series will be rather pointless morally.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:59 pm
I think that Harry might actually suceed in using an Unforgivable Curse against Voldemort. Because when he was fighting Bellatrix at the Ministry in OotP, he tried to use an Unforgivable on her, but it didn't work. She said he had to mean it, sheer anger wouldn't work. But with Voldemort it's different (at least for Harry). You never know. *shurgs*.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:14 pm
I seriously think that Harry will learn some of the Unforgivables. True, they're very BAD obviously, but (don't throw things at me!) I think that they are a very good defense when you are going into a fight against someone like Voldemort. I know this sounds horrible, but I think that if it's a fight for my life, I'm going to fight dirty. Hahaha. I just can't seem to word this right... >_< I think that in a fight for your life, you should do whatever it takes to survive, even if those ways are frowned upon. whee
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:41 pm
Well, to be honest, I think every one of the characters has it in them to be able to perform an Unforgiveable. Under the proper circumstances, if provoked, I think they could use them.
I also think that Harry will need the Unforgiveables, though likely not to defeat Voldemort, because I don't think that Voldemort could die that easily. It would be a bit of a let-down if he could, anyway.
But I think that Harry will end up using them, probably either in a fury over yet another death of someone he cares about (which I do think is coming, the conclusion is nearly here!) or as an act of self-preservation. After all, he used Sectumsempra on Malfoy. Now, I know that Sectumsempra is not an Unforgiveable, but it does show that Harry is capable of Dark Magic.
We saw in HBP that Harry had the desire to use them, he only needs to get stronger, as will inevitably (sp?) happen during the course of the seventh book.
Upon using the Unforgiveables, though, I must say, it would probably tear him up inside once he had the chance to think it over.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:00 am
i bet he will. i htink he's gonna have to show his dark side sometime before the book is over.
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:10 pm
He will have to use a unforgivable curse because that is the only way you could kill voldemort because he is really strong.
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:39 pm
[Ernie] It's something that'll probably be a big deal in the last book, among other things. He wasn't able to do it OotP *or* HBP, though in HBP Snape was simply blocking him; obviously Harry's attempt was weak enough to be blocked.
I think that he'll try to learn Avada Kedavra, only to kill Voldemort, and after that vow to never ever attempt to cast the spell again. Harry's a very "Me no keel other ppl" character; he'll try to do anything to avoid killing another person. frankly though...if harry does that, he will become valdimort. he is becoming his equal much in the way that (yes i know...star wars refecence....warning warning...) anakin became darth maul's equal by becoming him....or perhaps he will be more like luke and tear him apart by finding his true nature. either way they will end as one in the same
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:00 am
Minari Woohoo, 'Nari's actually posting in a discussion! *Ahem* Back on topic. I think that the whole point of the books is good(love)>evil(hate) and Harry using an evil curse, fueled by hate, to kill Voldemort would be pure hypocrisy at least. It's the whole "bombing for peace" thing all over again. Harry has to do away with Voldemort via love or the books will have no meaning. /my two cents. Darn you, I was all prepared to write a big eplaination based on that exact topic. I will anyways, but don't think I'm trying to steal your fire lol Anyways, looking at the series itself and not necessarily at the characters in it, we see that there is this deep underlying battle between good and evil, love and hate, friendship and enemies. These things often get blurred in points (especially in HBP were we see a whole new side of Draco), but the core battles are still there. I would be SHOCKED if JK Rowling decided that the best way to destroy evil (Voldemort) is with evil (Unforgivables). I really think that Harry will have to realize the great importance of love, like Dumbledore was trying to stress on him all through the first 6 books, and learn how he will have to use that power against the power that Voldemort has, hate. As much as I hate it, I have a feeling that Harry will have to make some sacrifice or choice when it actually comes down to killing Voldemort. It won't be as simple as sneaking up behind him and muttering Avada Kadavra. It will have to require some loss on the part of Harry. I haven't decided (or wanted to admit openly) that Harry might have to chose to sacrifice himself or something/someone close to him for the greater good of destroying Voldemort. Ironically, despite the controversy in the media, there seems to be a faint underlying theme in the Harry Potter series that is reminisent of the Jesus story. I'm not a follower of the Catholic faith so my facts may be a bit rusty, but the whole "ultimate good sacrificing themselves to rid the world of evil" just sounds way too familiar to overlook. So I guess, getting to the point, I don't think that Harry will destroy Voldemort with an Unforgivable Curse. He may attempt to use one, but realize that is not the course things have to take, and find a way to use the good/love/purity within himself to accomplish his task.
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:40 am
SweetMelissa I'm of the opinion that Harry will have to use some extremely dark magic to vanquish Voldemort, but that it will not be an Unforgiveable curse. I don't think that he'll ever have the kind of motivation that Bellatrix told him he would need to successfully cast one of those spells. Personally, I like the idea of Harry learning how to posess Voldemort, as I think that having Harry's soul inside Voldemort would certainly kill him. I agree but hey you never know-- for all we know Harry COULD be driven to darkness. (But JK could never let the little 8-year-old's raed that one, eh?...) Anyway, yeah..... I think Bellatrix will play a role in how Haryr decides to take old Voldy on but not determine whether he uses an Unforgivable or not. sweatdrop
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