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 Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:08 pm
I despise the current X-men because of one person: Cyclops. In my opinion he should not be leading the X-Men. Why? Because he's lied to his entire team, which by the way is no longer a team it's a Nation, he's using people as pawns, doing whatever he sees fit as long as it fits his agenda or how it effects them emotionally(Examples X-23 on X-Force and Rahne Sinclair being involved with X-Force period.) He's leading the X-Men down the wrong road and pretty much made it so if he and Emma Frost die one day, nobody can take their place, and the X-Men would be without a leader. This is my opinion feel free to argue about it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:54 pm
not to mention he sent his son on a one way suicide mission! What kind of a father is willing to sacrifice his only son?
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:21 pm
Didn't that one guy the Christians worship supposedly do that at one point?
Anyway, it's called being a leader. Cyclops's decision were never for his own agenda, as you've so spitefully put it, they were made because he felt that such decisions would ensure the survival of the mutant race.
They may seem brutal, but think of it this way: Cyclops has been doing thing Xavier's way all his life, and you know what came out of it? Every single mutant that wasn't part of the 198 lost their X-gene, and in turn left the mutant race from once being a large portion of the world's population to an endangered species. To ensure the mutant race's survival, he could not repeat the mistakes of Xavier, even if that meant going below the moral code.
He kept the new X-Force a secret for the same reason Nick Fury kept the invasion of Latveria's lack of a sanction a secret; he did not want anyone else to carry the burden of guilt but himself, so much so that he managed to keep it a secret from even Emma Frost, a telepath who would not think twice about ripping your skull in half to get to the truth. It's also the same reason Wolverine is keeping HIS incarnation of X-Force a secret to even Cyclops.
Is he perfect? Hell no; a mutant is still a human. THAT is what makes him an interesting character.
Scott Summers is a man who would put aside his own moral code and live with the weight of 198 mutants on his shoulders just for the survival of his race, even going as far as making a shaky alliance with ticking time bombs like Namor and Magneto; I only wish real world politicians had that sense of commitment. In the shallow holes of a thousand eyes
In the knee-deep graves of future survivors
The fleshless guests live off children of the past
Their aging fingers cast the Shadow of Death
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:52 pm
That is the same type of bull crap Tony Stark spewed out of his mouth as excuses for what he did to Captain America and you know it. That's no excuse for what he's doing. He's becoming Magneto And Xavier, and Beast left because of his lies, Storm might be on her way out and others will follow if he doesn't change. And btw the 198 had nothing to do with Cyclops or any of the X-men for that matter, it was the Scarlet Witch who will have been found by next year and lets hope she finds redemption. And Wolverine forming his own X-Force was a decision made with complete integrity. He knows what he's doing is wrong but it is needed. the difference is he's not putting people who can't handle the situation. Cyclops threw X-23 in there because it suited his cause, even though he what it would do to her, Rahne got seriously involved just because she knew somebody, and he didn't stop and he could have gotten two X-men killed that didnt need to die in the first place. Cyclops is somebody who is smart enough to think of ways to to not have that many sacrifices! I'm not saying he's god but he IS that smart, he has many flaws that could get several X-Men Killed!! He has had many nervous breakdowns over the same woman and he has learned. He can make the right choices without doing something stupid like that, the fact of the matter as much as I hate him, he's smarter than that!!!! He is smarter than that and that makes me mad.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:48 am
I'll admit just as easily as the next person, Scott is in fact a tool.
But!
Until you're in a position like he is, that of a leader, you really don't know what you'd do in a certain situation. And honestly, I'm glad he threw Laura into X-force, he put her into a place she best belonged.
He's like any other politician or president because like you said, he's leading a Nation now. He has to think about whats best for them as a whole rather than focus on personal relationships and buddies. We already had someone who put his friends into office and look where that got us.
And while I do hate what Tony Stark 'raving mad' did during the civil war, I can also understand why he did it. It wasn't about friendshsips, it was about keeping people safe. No, I don't think what Tony did was right, but I don't support the Captains side either.
Likewise, I really do support the X-force, they're like black ops, doing s**t that needs to be done. America has the same kind of team. And if Rhane and Laura didn't want to be in that sort of situation, they'd quit the X-men. Anyone who didn't like it could in fact quit.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:25 pm
Laura doesn't know how to say no to those kind of situations, and Rahne felt personally responsible for that b*****d Reverand Craig, they obviously wouldnt say no. Cyclops should have said it for them, and just as she was adjusting to a new X-Team and he disbanded it, made another and disbanded that one too. And about Tony Stark they could have presented a united front on the SHRA and it never would have seen the right of day, Cage was right it was like slavery, and they gave you a choice do this or we take you down, they both act like they're holier than now and while they may not think it, they do act like it, and I never said X-Force wasn't needed they just needed to use people who actually had the mindset to choose what to do, not people who felt obligated to follow orders, or or felt like what was going on was their fault, I support the Captain's side because I am black and I understand it better than most, it was a law put in by people who succumbed to public pressure and didn't think about what would happen next, and about Cyclops and his Nation, his Friends make up the entire nation! He knows everyone there personally in some way or another and he should respect that instead of lying to them, he's not a politician! And he should know that! The X-Men are a symbol of hope and arent being seen as that right now.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:43 pm
FYI, it was Wolverine that originally made the slavery and racism comparison. Luke Cage originally supported the SRA until Wolverine suggested that point. Case in point, Wolverine v3 #42.
Also, I said my piece. I feel absolutely no need to defend it. We can bash our heads together all day with our respective points, but in the end neither of us will get the other guy to agree. In the shallow holes of a thousand eyes
In the knee-deep graves of future survivors
The fleshless guests live off children of the past
Their aging fingers cast the Shadow of Death
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:58 pm
I made this topic so we could argue our points and make our views clear, not to win it, I thought everyone would enjoy that, I'm thinking of making a sort of Marvel Politics or Views Roundtable sort of thing so everyone could get their views in the open and enjoy them
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:10 pm
TheWhiteNoize I made this topic so we could argue our points and make our views clear, not to win it, I thought everyone would enjoy that, I'm thinking of making a sort of Marvel Politics or Views Roundtable sort of thing so everyone could get their views in the open and enjoy them Really? Because I gotta say, from your previous posts its not coming across that way at all. Your posts make it seem like you are in fact trying to convince us that you are right and we are wrong. Besides, arguing a point means winning. If there's no winning and argument, its not an argument. First rule of debate. Also, it really just seems like you wanted to rant about Cyclops more than hear any opinions, which is okay, I'm not saying thats a bad thing. But I think instead of making this a question thread you should have made it a Rant thread or an opinion thread. Besides, Marvel fans are usually jerks that like to argue over anything and everything, Play devils advocate, and piss people off. Hence all the wars and nonsense in the comics. I say all this with the deepest sense of love of course, but I'm not going to lie.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:23 pm
TheWhiteNoize I made this topic so we could argue our points and make our views clear, not to win it, I thought everyone would enjoy that Read your last two posts and tell that to yourself again. In the shallow holes of a thousand eyes
In the knee-deep graves of future survivors
The fleshless guests live off children of the past
Their aging fingers cast the Shadow of Death
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:38 pm
One I'm displaying my points in a furious manner as a fan, and I apologize if it came off that way, two I even said he was smarter than his actions displayed, three you're defending him Vengence, if weren't gonna argue your piece then you shouldnt have said anything! Now your trying to show me up, without intending to I could care less about what ppl on the internet think of the way i go about things so dont tell me. I made my point and countered others expecting to hear a your take on a response I made, if I wanted to rant about Cyclops without getting a response I wouldn't have posted this topic to begin with
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:21 pm
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